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Damien 03-10-2020 18:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Conflicting information on his health.

The Doctors says he is doing well and not on Oxygen 'right now' and AP reports:

Quote:
BETHESDA, Md. (AP) — AP source: President Trump was administered supplemental oxygen at the White House on Friday before going to hospital.
But off the record the White House has said: https://twitter.com/SpiegelPeter/sta...27741573197824

Quote:
“The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.”

Hugh 03-10-2020 19:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
From the President’s personal physician, Dr. Conley

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1601748580

He didn’t say "48 hours", Dr. Garibaldi did...

papa smurf 03-10-2020 19:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
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what a load of old politics

Mad Max 03-10-2020 20:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052477)
I’m not really sure what the eye roll is for. It’s fairly self-evident that the President is experiencing one of the more serious cases based on the information we have. Timelines, experimental treatments, Pence standing in at the one call that was left on his schedule and others and being transferred to hospital.

Andrew is simply noting behaviour that was/is uncharacteristic.

The United States are always going to downplay how bad it is to not give it’s enemies an opportune moment to escalate hostilities and to reassure the stock markets. The Trump campaign similarly as they have campaigned on his vitality compared to “sleepy Joe”.
Had nothing to do with Trump's condition, it was aimed at his so-called lack of tweeting, do keep up jfman...;)

1andrew1 03-10-2020 22:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052536)
From the President’s personal physician, Dr. Conley

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1601748580

He didn’t say "48 hours", Dr. Garibaldi did...
Exactly. The White House has unsurprisingly declined to comment on why Dr Conley had clarified a mistake that was not his own despite him suggesting it was!

According to the FT, Dr Conley also included an incorrect name for both the drug and its manufacturer.

His "correction" raises far more questions that it answers.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36052545)
Had nothing to do with Trump's condition, it was aimed at his so-called lack of tweeting, do keep up jfman...;)
Trump normally Tweets, what, 20+ times a day in his line of work. It doesn't take much effort.

If he was working, he would surely have tweeted in that time.

The absence of Tweets suggests he wasn't up to working which is entirely understandable in the circumstances but not of course what the White House has claimed.

pip08456 04-10-2020 08:00
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Incorrect name? Seems like the FT has never heard of a typo. Regeron instead of Regeneron. Does make the memo look rushed though.

jfman 04-10-2020 08:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052580)
Incorrect name? Seems like the FT has never heard of a typo. Regeron instead of Regeneron. Does make the memo look rushed though.
Makes it look like it was typed by someone else (between that and the fact it wasn’t even his error in the statement).

Hugh 04-10-2020 08:29
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Trump says he is doing well, after chief of staff says next 48 hours ‘critical’
By Colby Itkowitz, Derek Hawkins, Seung Min Kim and Hannah Knowles

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...-live-updates/
Quote:
Trump’s blood oxygen level Friday left us ‘real concerned,’ chief of staff says
Trump’s health has shown “unbelievable improvement” since Friday morning, when his blood oxygen level “dropped rapidly” and left staff seriously concerned, Meadows said Saturday night on Fox News.

Echoing a Saturday evening letter from Trump’s physician, Meadows expressed optimism on Fox News but said the president is “not out of the woods.” He reiterated the importance of the coming days, saying, “the next 48 hours … with the history of this virus, we know can be tough.”

Earlier in the day, Meadows told reporters that “the president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning, and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care."

Speaking to Fox News’s Jeanine Pirro, Meadows shared more about staff’s fears Friday morning. He said that was “when I know a number of us, the doctor and I, were very concerned” about the president’s health.

Trump had a fever and plummeting oxygen levels, Meadows said. But he said the president was soon “up and walking around” even as experts recommended that he go to a hospital out of caution.

A senior administration official confirmed that Trump was given oxygen at the White House on Friday before going to Walter Reed.

1andrew1 04-10-2020 08:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052580)
Incorrect name? Seems like the FT has never heard of a typo. Regeron instead of Regeneron. Does make the memo look rushed though.
The FT said there were actually two errors in the memo:

b) An incorrect name was used for the drug itself. The memo of 3rd October refers to it as a polyclonal antibody therapy whilst Regeneron's antibody therapy is monoclonal. Not an expert on the differences here eg if a cocktail is used, does it become "poly"?

b) Manufacturer's name, using the name Regeron instead of Regeneron. (Regeron focuses on reverse-aging biotechnology, especially on manufacturing human polypeptide growth factors for cosmetic applications including hair care).
A potential typo or genuine confusion with the other company.

pip08456 04-10-2020 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052584)
The FT said there were actually two errors in the memo:

b) An incorrect name was used for the drug itself. The memo of 3rd October refers to it as a polyclonal antibody therapy whilst Regeneron's antibody therapy is monoclonal. Not an expert on the differences here eg if a cocktail is used, does it become "poly"?

b) Manufacturer's name, using the name Regeron instead of Regeneron. (Regeron focuses on reverse-aging biotechnology, especially on manufacturing human polypeptide growth factors for cosmetic applications including hair care).
A potential typo or genuine confusion with the other company.
Polyclonal is a mixture of T3 antibody cloned genes. Monoclonal uses the same cloned T3 antibody gene.

1andrew1 04-10-2020 09:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052587)
Polyclonal is a mixture of T3 antibody cloned genes. Monoclonal uses the same cloned T3 antibody gene.
Thanks, an important difference then.

Hom3r 04-10-2020 11:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052356)
He never advised to “drink bleach”, he suggested it should be injected, later claiming he was being sarcastic to the Fake News.
Yes thats right, my error

Sephiroth 04-10-2020 11:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36052598)
Yes thats right, my error
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick
He never advised to “drink bleach”, he suggested it should be injected, later claiming he was being sarcastic to the Fake News.
Seems to me to be a minor difference hardly worth dispute. Both lead to unpleasant, probably fatal outcomes.

And, of course, Trump wasn't being sarcastic at all as we all know. He was being plain dumb.

Hugh 04-10-2020 12:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052584)
The FT said there were actually two errors in the memo:

b) An incorrect name was used for the drug itself. The memo of 3rd October refers to it as a polyclonal antibody therapy whilst Regeneron's antibody therapy is monoclonal. Not an expert on the differences here eg if a cocktail is used, does it become "poly"?

b) Manufacturer's name, using the name Regeron instead of Regeneron. (Regeron focuses on reverse-aging biotechnology, especially on manufacturing human polypeptide growth factors for cosmetic applications including hair care).
A potential typo or genuine confusion with the other company.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052587)
Polyclonal is a mixture of T3 antibody cloned genes. Monoclonal uses the same cloned T3 antibody gene.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052591)
Thanks, an important difference then.
Quote:
About REGN-COV2

REGN-COV2 is a combination of two monoclonal antibodies (REGN10933 and REGN10987) and was designed specifically to block infectivity of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

To develop REGN-COV2, Regeneron scientists evaluated thousands of fully-human antibodies produced by the company's VelocImmune® mice, which have been genetically modified to have a human immune system, as well as antibodies identified from humans who have recovered from COVID-19. The two potent, virus-neutralizing antibodies that form REGN-COV2 bind non-competitively to the critical receptor binding domain of the virus's spike protein, which diminishes the ability of mutant viruses to escape treatment and protects against spike variants that have arisen in the human population, as detailed in Science. Preclinical studies have shown that REGN-COV2 reduced the amount of virus and associated damage in the lungs of non-human primates.
https://investor.regeneron.com/news-...ral-levels-and

pip08456 04-10-2020 15:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052601)
The therapy is known as REGN-COV2; the company calls it a “cocktail” of two monoclonal antibodies.

Quote:
Polyclonal antibodies are made using several different immune cells, while monoclonal antibodies are made using identical immune cells that are clones of a specific parent cell.
Link

Hugh 04-10-2020 17:13
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Trump also receiving dexamethasone for COVID.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54382914

BBC article from June 2020.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53077879
Quote:
Coronavirus: What is dexamethasone and how does it work?


Coronavirus infection triggers inflammation as the body tries to fight it off.

But sometimes the immune system goes into overdrive and it's this reaction that can prove fatal - the very reaction designed to attack infection ends up attacking the body's own cells.

Dexamethasone calms this effect.

It's only suitable for people who are already in hospital and receiving oxygen or mechanical ventilation - the most unwell.

The drug does not work on people with milder symptoms, because suppressing their immune system at this point would not be helpful.
Just looked up the BMJ paper on Dexamethasone in the management of covid -19, from July 2020.

Quote:
Patients admitted to hospital with covid-19 typically report symptom onset three to five days after exposure (fatigue, chills), progressing to fever and dry cough 48 hours later. Transition to severe disease with hypoxaemia occurs five to seven days into the symptomatic illness, about 8-14 days after original exposure. In the RECOVERY trial, dexamethasone was beneficial for participants treated seven or more days into the symptomatic phase, with the onset of hypoxaemia. Importantly, there was a non-significant trend (P=0.14) towards possible harm affecting participants without hypoxaemia and not on mechanical ventilation. RECOVERY findings therefore support use of dexamethasone only for patients with hypoxaemia, not those with milder disease. The data do not support use of dexamethasone or other corticosteroids in the outpatient setting.
From the US Government National Institutes of Health Medical Research site
Quote:
Recommendations for Patients with COVID-19

- On the basis of the preliminary report from the RECOVERY trial, the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends using dexamethasone 6 mg per day for up to 10 days or until hospital discharge, whichever comes first, for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients who are mechanically ventilated (AI) and in hospitalized patients who require supplemental oxygen but who are not mechanically ventilated (BI).
- The Panel recommends against using dexamethasone for the treatment of COVID-19 in patients who do not require supplemental oxygen (AI).

papa smurf 04-10-2020 17:48
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'IMPROVING' Trump could leave hospital TOMORROW as Covid doc says Meadows ‘misconstrued’ update


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/128436...irus-tomorrow/

DONALD Trump could leave hospital tomorrow as his coronavirus doctor said Mark Meadows "misconstrued" the update.

The president's team of doctors made the announcement on Sunday afternoon.

If the US President continues to improve, the doctors said they "plan for discharge as early as tomorrow."

jfman 04-10-2020 19:07
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With my patented distrust of most 'official lines'. If he tested positive on Monday/Tuesday (before the debate, as some are suggesting) what's to say they didn't anticipate him going into hospital and stage these fairly generic videos before his condition deteriorated?

Hugh 04-10-2020 19:34
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Your tin-foil is showing, jf...

However, I a more confused that Dr Conley stated today
Quote:
"I didn't want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction. And in doing so, you know, it came off that we were trying to hide something, which wasn't necessarily true."
Does the virus watch TV?

papa smurf 04-10-2020 19:37
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I found this an interesting read

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Sen. Joe Biden claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the bottom.

last week Biden released his law school records showing he had graduated 76th in a law school class of 85. The law school transcript also showed he made little progress in class standing through the three-year course, ranking 80 out of 100 in the first semester of the first year, and 79th out of 87 the second semester of his second year.


https://apnews.com/article/cd977f7ff...76974ba07c5495

Chris 04-10-2020 19:41
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It’s amazing how these stupid little details become the intense fascination of the media in American elections.

Maggy 04-10-2020 21:14
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I don't care. Better Biden than the orange one.

Damien 04-10-2020 21:21
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
So far the polls after the debate have largely improved Bidens lead and the one poll after Trump's COVID diagnosis hasn't shown any change.

denphone 04-10-2020 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052659)
So far the polls after the debate have largely improved Bidens lead and the one poll after Trump's COVID diagnosis hasn't shown any change.
One poll had Biden 14 points in front l read earlier.

Hugh 04-10-2020 21:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052633)
I found this an interesting read

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Sen. Joe Biden claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the bottom.

last week Biden released his law school records showing he had graduated 76th in a law school class of 85. The law school transcript also showed he made little progress in class standing through the three-year course, ranking 80 out of 100 in the first semester of the first year, and 79th out of 87 the second semester of his second year.


https://apnews.com/article/cd977f7ff...76974ba07c5495
So he released his College records - Trump hasn’t...

In fact, Trump had letters to his high schools, colleges and the College Board (creator of the SAT), threatening them with legal action and jail time if they ever released Trump’s academic records.

Also
Quote:
Trump has repeatedly claimed (and allowed media outlets to report on his behalf) that he graduated ‘first in his class’ from the Wharton School at Penn. In fact, he wasn’t close—Trump graduated without honors.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christo.../#2b5889693764

papa smurf 04-10-2020 21:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052662)
So he released his College records - Trump hasn’t...

In fact, Trump had letters to his high schools, colleges and the College Board (creator of the SAT), threatening them with legal action and jail time if they ever released Trump’s academic records.

Also

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christo.../#2b5889693764
Woo hoo i just won a bet mr predictable ;)

Hugh 04-10-2020 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052665)
Woo hoo i just won a bet mr predictable ;)
Enjoy your cider...

Hugh 04-10-2020 22:44
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1601847803

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pay...pital-12090431

jfman 04-10-2020 22:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Could be anyone really...

1andrew1 04-10-2020 23:17
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36052677)
Could be anyone really...
I think the other occupants of the SUV would prefer it wasn't Trump.
Quote:
Dr. James P. Phillips, MD
That Presidential SUV is not only bulletproof, but hermetically sealed against chemical attack. The risk of COVID19 transmission inside is as high as it gets outside of medical procedures. The irresponsibility is astounding. My thoughts are with the Secret Service forced to play.
https://twitter.com/DrPhillipsMD/sta...69454385229827

Quote:
It appears the White House is trying to deny a Wall Street Journal report from this afternoon that Donald Trump did not inform the public and carried on business-as-usual even after the president had a positive rapid Covid-19 test.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...080b5d569e5010

Mick 04-10-2020 23:48
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CNN posting Fake News as always, he wasn't waving at reporters, he was waving at his supporters lined up all on the side walk. Liberal Journos and weak and pathetic democrats whinging that an infected Trump put secret service at risk, well secret service were with Trump on Friday when he was airlifted to hospital and they will be with him when he is discharged from WR in the next day or so.

1andrew1 04-10-2020 23:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Here's the most likley realistic description of events: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...032960/photo/1

Stephen 05-10-2020 01:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052683)
CNN posting Fake News as always, he wasn't waving at reporters, he was waving at his supporters lined up all on the side walk. Liberal Journos and weak and pathetic democrats whinging that an infected Trump put secret service at risk, well secret service were with Trump on Friday when he was airlifted to hospital and they will be with him when he is discharged from WR in the next day or so.
Knowing Trump and his love of great ratings, I wouldn't be surprised if his waves were for the media also.

Damien 05-10-2020 07:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052683)
CNN posting Fake News as always, he wasn't waving at reporters, he was waving at his supporters lined up all on the side walk. Liberal Journos and weak and pathetic democrats whinging that an infected Trump put secret service at risk, well secret service were with Trump on Friday when he was airlifted to hospital and they will be with him when he is discharged from WR in the next day or so.
But he needed to go to hospital. It seems pointless risky to expose them to the virus in an enclosed area such as the car so that we can wave at his supporters on the side walk. The Secret Service have to protect the President but he shouldn't be exposing them to risks there is no need to take.

Hugh 05-10-2020 08:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052683)
CNN posting Fake News as always, he wasn't waving at reporters, he was waving at his supporters lined up all on the side walk. Liberal Journos and weak and pathetic democrats whinging that an infected Trump put secret service at risk, well secret service were with Trump on Friday when he was airlifted to hospital and they will be with him when he is discharged from WR in the next day or so.
Not really - the supporters were on the other side of the car as it drove on that side of the road; he had waved at the supporters when he was on that side of the road.

peanut 05-10-2020 08:27
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Obviously he sees that a photo opp is much more important than the lives of the secret service. What a total idiot.

Ken W 05-10-2020 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36052696)
Obviously he sees that a photo opp is much more important than the lives of the secret service. What a total idiot.
I agree

denphone 05-10-2020 08:47
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36052696)
Obviously he sees that a photo opp is much more important than the lives of the secret service. What a total idiot.
No change there then...

peanut 05-10-2020 08:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36052700)
No change there then...
Sadly we're not allowed to express what we really think due to the limits of this site.

denphone 05-10-2020 08:59
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36052701)
Sadly we're not allowed to express what we really think due to the limits of this site.
The clear pretty simple advice if someone has Covid whether its the president or anybody else is.

1/ Follow medical advice

2/ Don't go for an unnecessary drive-by that threatens the lives of those in the car with you

papa smurf 05-10-2020 09:00
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Nice to see the elderly gentleman has survived cov19,and is on the way to recovery.

pip08456 05-10-2020 09:00
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You can always pre-order a commemorative coin.

Quote:
When we heard the sad news of President Trump's positive COVID test, once again we had faith and prayed but we knew our President would find a way to Knockout COVID in early rounds of this battle. President Trump, as you know, is a fan of boxing, and the new design includes more than a hint of superhero qualities in history's most fascinating president. President Trump, whether you are in his corner or not, is a sui generis, a one-of-a-kind, bigger than life, singular energetic force.
https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/p...eats-covid.htm

1andrew1 05-10-2020 09:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052689)
But he needed to go to hospital. It seems pointless risky to expose them to the virus in an enclosed area such as the car so that we can wave at his supporters on the side walk. The Secret Service have to protect the President but he shouldn't be exposing them to risks there is no need to take.
The only consolation for the hard working secret service whose health Trump unnecessarily put at risk in order to wave at the media, is that they only have to put up with him for another month.

Thank goodness the First Lady has more sense.

tweetiepooh 05-10-2020 09:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052707)
The only consolation for the hard working secret service whose health Trump unnecessarily put at risk in order to wave at the media, is that they only have to put up with him for another month.
I thought old presidents still got cover to 10 years or so after leaving office. It used to be life cover but that got expensive and a bit silly.

Damien 05-10-2020 09:30
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Yeah I think they get protection for life still?

1andrew1 05-10-2020 09:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36052708)
I thought old presidents still got cover to 10 years or so after leaving office. It used to be life cover but that got expensive and a bit silly.
With the current age of US presidential candidates, the two periods of time may be the same.
The secret service can probably be a bit more assertive in their dealings with former Presidents and presumably ex-presidents get a different team.

papa smurf 05-10-2020 09:52
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The president is probably taking a drive to test his eyesight.
or he could be on his way to a railway station to take a trip across the country because he has covid like the nice scottish lady did here.


Personally i think that's a trump lookalike employed by the democrats.

Mad Max 05-10-2020 11:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052713)
The president is probably taking a drive to test his eyesight.
or he could be on his way to a railway station to take a trip across the country because he has covid like the nice scottish lady did here.


Personally i think that's a trump lookalike employed by the democrats.

:D:D

Hugh 05-10-2020 13:57
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3 Attachment(s)
See the steroids have kicked in...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1601909059

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1601909400

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1601909047
---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:52 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052713)
The president is probably taking a drive to test his eyesight.
or he could be on his way to a railway station to take a trip across the country because he has covid like the nice scottish lady did here.


Personally i think that's a trump lookalike employed by the democrats.
That’s because you’re an unbiased impartial observer... ;)

papa smurf 05-10-2020 14:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052740)
See the steroids have kicked in...

---------- Post added at 13:57 ---------- Previous post was at 13:52 ----------

That’s because you’re an unbiased impartial observer... ;)
You know me so well.

Mick 05-10-2020 16:38
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BREAKING: White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany, tests positive for coronavirus.

---------- Post added at 16:38 ---------- Previous post was at 16:31 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052695)
Not really - the supporters were on the other side of the car as it drove on that side of the road; he had waved at the supporters when he was on that side of the road.
Yes really. BOTH sides of the road had lines of Supporters on either side. I saw several videos posted from practically every angle. Trump has little time for the media. The media were there but Trump was waving for the supporters.

1andrew1 05-10-2020 16:51
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No news yet on Trump heading back to the White House but I understand he's been Tweeting, which strongly evidences an improvement in his condition.

Damien 05-10-2020 17:04
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I assume Trump will still be self-isolating within the White House with the medical areas on stand-by. It's usually the second week where things either get better or get worse we've been told.

1andrew1 05-10-2020 17:15
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052761)
I assume Trump will still be self-isolating within the White House with the medical areas on stand-by.
I assume Trump will still be self-isolating within the White House, and his armoured SUV when the mood takes him. ;)

---------- Post added at 17:15 ---------- Previous post was at 17:15 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052761)
It's usually the second week where things either get better or get worse we've been told.
Good point.

Stephen 05-10-2020 17:40
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052760)
No news yet on Trump heading back to the White House but I understand he's been Tweeting, which strongly evidences an improvement in his condition.
Hes been tweeting like crazy. So I'd assume meds are to blame. A barrage of tweets all in caps.

Hugh 05-10-2020 19:46
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
He’s leaving hospital today.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1601923586

Don't be afraid of COVID if you have unlimited medical coverage, two dozen leading specialist doctors, access to a full range of medications including experimental drugs, and an executive suite at a top hospital...

Sephiroth 06-10-2020 10:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The man is an absolute knob. But more importantly, what is that knob going to do about making the treatment he received, if indeed it is proved to have worked, available to the rest of the population.

No self-respecting country president, especially and advanced western country, should ignore the plight of people without medical insurance in this sort of emergency situation. Let's hope he comes round to doing the right thing.

Stephen 06-10-2020 10:45
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
He is so irresponsible. Still having COVID and not caring who he infects. Telling America to bot be afraid of it is shambolic in itself. His base will just lap it up and are probably less likely to wear masks etc as they've seen their great leader shrug it off.

However if you watch some of the video from him getting back to the WH he clearly looks to be struggling to breath still and wincing in pain when breathing. Just trying to act the tough guy.

I hope him infecting most of the WH staff and behaving erratically these past few days causes him to loose support.

pip08456 06-10-2020 11:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
1 Attachment(s)
He gets worse.

Dexamethasone is known to have mental health side effects. It can cause psychosis. It can cause delirium. It can cause mania.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1601980646

Sephiroth 06-10-2020 12:07
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052832)
He gets worse.

Dexamethasone is known to have mental health side effects. It can cause psychosis. It can cause delirium. It can cause mania.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1601980646
A proven knob - at least in most respects. He certainly led in that department.

Calling him a knob shouldn't detract for what's happening in the Middle East in respect of Israel and various Arab states. A good piece of US work there.

Mick 06-10-2020 12:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36052827)
He is so irresponsible. Still having COVID and not caring who he infects. Telling America to bot be afraid of it is shambolic in itself. His base will just lap it up and are probably less likely to wear masks etc as they've seen their great leader shrug it off.

However if you watch some of the video from him getting back to the WH he clearly looks to be struggling to breath still and wincing in pain when breathing. Just trying to act the tough guy.

I hope him infecting most of the WH staff and behaving erratically these past few days causes him to loose support.
You really don’t have a clue what you’re on about. You are no health expert, fortunately I am. For a start his physician said there is no evidence of viral traces in him, which means others are at low risk of becoming infected.

Covid is survivable by many many more people who die from it, look at the infection rate of people world wide, and the people who have recovered. I had it and survived it.

There needs to be a path back to normality. We are going to have to live this like we have the flu, pneumonia etc etc and yeah people die from these illnesses but we cannot keep stopping our way of life, wrecking people’s livelihoods.

Damien 06-10-2020 12:18
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052839)
You really don’t have a clue what you’re on about. You are no health expert, fortunately I am. For a start his physician said there is no evidence of viral traces in him, which means others are at low risk of becoming infected.
That lends more weight to the theory he had it longer than we thought. 7 days are meant to be when you still can spread with the CDC recommending 10 days isolation as a result.

Did it he have it at the debate I wonder. When was his last negative test before the positive one?

Mick 06-10-2020 12:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052840)
That lends more weight to the theory he had it longer than we thought. 7 days are meant to be when you still can spread with the CDC recommending 10 days isolation as a result.

Did it he have it at the debate I wonder. When was his last negative test before the positive one?
Not necessarily Damien.

He’s been given a cocktail of experimental drugs, that invoke an autoimmune response at what his physician said worked well because he was at the early stages of the illness.

Pierre 06-10-2020 12:42
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36052832)
He gets worse.

Dexamethasone is known to have mental health side effects. It can cause psychosis. It can cause delirium. It can cause mania.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1601980646
you're of course forgetting that anything, absolutely anything, that he does evokes a negative press and general negative media response.

He has not had a positive thing reported about him since he entered the race for the presidential nomination.

The 365/24/7 negativity is something that no other president has ever received.

despite all that, he won the election and he is still within (or was, haven't seen the latest) the margin of error of the polling of his opponent.

Damien 06-10-2020 12:53
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36052844)
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despite all that, he won the election and he is still within (or was, haven't seen the latest) the margin of error of the polling of his opponent.
He is not within the margin of error and hasn't been for months.

This is an average for which MOE doesn't apply but if you assume a generous MOE of 4% the last time it was that close between the two was January 14th when the lead was only 4 points.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

Now polling can be wrong obviously, it would need to be a much bigger polling error than 2016 for Trump to win if this polling stayed the same, but that's what is is showing at the moment.

jfman 06-10-2020 13:01
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052826)
The man is an absolute knob. But more importantly, what is that knob going to do about making the treatment he received, if indeed it is proved to have worked, available to the rest of the population.

No self-respecting country president, especially and advanced western country, should ignore the plight of people without medical insurance in this sort of emergency situation. Let's hope he comes round to doing the right thing.
100%. Hope he sees sense or loses.

Stephen 06-10-2020 13:34
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36052839)
You really don’t have a clue what you’re on about. You are no health expert, fortunately I am. For a start his physician said there is no evidence of viral traces in him, which means others are at low risk of becoming infected.

Covid is survivable by many many more people who die from it, look at the infection rate of people world wide, and the people who have recovered. I had it and survived it.

There needs to be a path back to normality. We are going to have to live this like we have the flu, pneumonia etc etc and yeah people die from these illnesses but we cannot keep stopping our way of life, wrecking people’s livelihoods.
I never claimed to be a health expert, and I'm sure you aren't either however I am intelligent and know about the virus. I know of a few people that had it and also some people that passed away from it.

If Trump only tested positive last Thursday then he would likely still have traces of the virus. Which would then indicate he had it longer. Again more lies and coverups from the most corrupt and disgraceful WH administration in years. From all his staff that have now tested positive, it looks like it may have been the announcement of his choice for a Judge last Saturday. They were all hugging and in close proximity to each other, no masks and no social distancing.

1andrew1 06-10-2020 14:00
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Interesting poll - Trump's popularity amongst his traditional supporters has risen but he's failed to gain votes from the other groups he needs in order to win. Biden is increasing his lead.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/p...ion/index.html

Sephiroth 06-10-2020 14:23
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The Conley guy seems somewhat inarticulate at best and prevaricator more likely.

Pierre 06-10-2020 15:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052852)
Interesting poll - Trump's popularity amongst his traditional supporters has risen but he's failed to gain votes from the other groups he needs in order to win. Biden is increasing his lead.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/06/p...ion/index.html
I wouldn’t trust any polls from those blatant flag waving Trump supporters that are CNN.

papa smurf 06-10-2020 15:49
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36052862)
I wouldn’t trust any polls from those blatant flag waving Trump supporters that are CNN.
They're as bad as the boris supporting BBC:)

---------- Post added at 15:49 ---------- Previous post was at 15:42 ----------

Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.


https://abcnews.go.com/

Wonder how that ended:shocked:

Damien 06-10-2020 15:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36052862)
I wouldn’t trust any polls from those blatant flag waving Trump supporters that are CNN.
These polls are commissioned by CNN but not conducted by them. However, this is what the polling average is meant to weed out.

If you look at this site: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...eral/national/

They show the average and the weight the polls by their quality, i.e how much they've deviated from the actual result when tested. So whereas Real Clear Politics which is just the average has Biden at 9.2 this one has him at 8.8

1andrew1 07-10-2020 15:38
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36052866)
These polls are commissioned by CNN but not conducted by them. However, this is what the polling average is meant to weed out.

If you look at this site: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...eral/national/

They show the average and the weight the polls by their quality, i.e how much they've deviated from the actual result when tested. So whereas Real Clear Politics which is just the average has Biden at 9.2 this one has him at 8.8
Those hundreds of polls have one clear message for Trump in November. "You're fired!"

Mad Max 07-10-2020 15:52
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052963)
Those hundreds of polls have one clear message for Trump in November. "You're fired!"
Polls are always correct of course.:rolleyes:

1andrew1 07-10-2020 15:58
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36052965)
Polls are always correct of course.:rolleyes:
You don't believe Trump will win do you? :D

Mad Max 07-10-2020 16:11
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052967)
You don't believe Trump will win do you? :D

I wouldn't put money on it.

1andrew1 07-10-2020 16:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36052970)
I wouldn't put money on it.
Sensible man.
I think when polls are close then you do sometimes get different outcomes from those predicted but in this instance Biden's consistently been ahead.

Damien 07-10-2020 21:05
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Trump is scaling back ads across states in the Mid West. Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan.....

In his behind in all but Ohio and Iowa where it is a tie.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ohio-wisconsin

Damien 08-10-2020 13:12
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
The debate commission has said the 2nd debate will be virtual due to COVID.

Trump has just said he is pulling out as a result.

1andrew1 08-10-2020 13:19
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36053032)
The debate commission has said the 2nd debate will be virtual due to COVID.

Trump has just said he is pulling out as a result.
I suspect Trump's quite happy with this ruling given his recent slurred speech. there's only so much you can blame on a bad internet connection. ;)

Mick 08-10-2020 13:56
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053033)
I suspect Trump's quite happy with this ruling given his recent slurred speech. there's only so much you can blame on a bad internet connection. ;)
Trump is right to pull out on a virtual debate, it will be a Anti-Trump debate with a moderator who cuts off Trump and gives Biden a chance to have all his scripts to hand via his team, teleprompter, his wife holding his hand, the poor man Biden has had it rough, last week he seemed to be complaining that he joined the Senate 180 years ago. :rolleyes:

Damien 08-10-2020 14:27
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Seems like Trump needs the debates more than Biden though. Given Biden's lead he would be happy to wait out the clock and hope no events - such a debate - change the direction of the race. Given Biden's risk of gaffes no debates suits him.

1andrew1 08-10-2020 14:36
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36053042)
Seems like Trump needs the debates more than Biden though. Given Biden's lead he would be happy to wait out the clock and hope no events - such a debate - change the direction of the race. Given Biden's risk of gaffes no debates suits him.
Totally agree - normally, as the long-term underdog, Trump's best strategy would be to give Biden the rope to hang himself with, get off him off-guard by being nice and not interrupting, that kind of thing.

But it's pretty clear that Trump is not 100% recovered. A slurry, dazed and confused Trump would put a bad message out to the nation and weaken his vote further.

Sephiroth 08-10-2020 15:55
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Used properly, this is a great opportunity for Biden.

Other than that, Trump has prolly made the right decision if he is not on top form.

pip08456 09-10-2020 13:50
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36053067)
Used properly, this is a great opportunity for Biden.

Other than that, Trump has prolly made the right decision if he is not on top form.
He's definately not on top form.

Quote:
"California is gonna have to ration water. You wanna know why? Because they send millions of gallons of water out to sea, out to the Pacific. Because they want to take care of certain little tiny fish, that aren't doing very well without water." -- Trump
Whaaat????

joglynne 09-10-2020 14:13
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Interesting listening to the actual "tiny fish aren't doing well without water" phone interview on Fox News.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tElc...ValleyHigh1994

add... It seems Mr Trump has been waging war on the "tiny Fish" since at least 2016. Here's a link to the actual reasons the "tiny fish" are so important.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...california-aoe

TheDaddy 09-10-2020 14:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053164)
He's definately not on top form.



Whaaat????
Sounds reasonable to me, fish don't do well without water

pip08456 09-10-2020 17:08
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36053169)
Sounds reasonable to me, fish don't do well without water
Quote:
A 2019 study by Rosenfield and his colleagues at the San Francisco Bay Institute and the Nature Conservancy found that the amount of water the pumps could pull was most often limited by the need to keep saltwater at bay. If enough fresh water isn’t, to paraphrase Donald Trump, shoved out to sea, the sea will shove into shore, flooding the estuary with salt water. “And, no one wants salt water,” Rosenfield says. “You cannot apply saltwater to farmland. That’s what the Romans did to punish their enemies.”

Hugh 09-10-2020 20:20
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-...d-19-diagnosis

Quote:
President Trump is scheduled to make his first on-camera interview appearance on Friday since he announced last week that he tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

The interview will take place on "Tucker Carlson Tonight" at 8 p.m. ET. Dr. Marc Siegel will conduct a medical evaluation and interview during the program.

downquark1 09-10-2020 20:24
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Hasn't he been talking to Rush Limbaugh for two hours?

Hugh 09-10-2020 21:28
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36053208)
Hasn't he been talking to Rush Limbaugh for two hours?
At, rather than to...

Mick 12-10-2020 22:29
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Joe Biden has said again today on the campaign trail he's a Democrat running for the Senate. :rolleyes:



If some of us were led to believe the polls, and Biden wins then he will have the 25th Amendment thrown his way by his own side... ;)

Stephen 12-10-2020 22:39
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I honestly don't think he meant what that clip is trying to imply. What was said before and after it? Has it been taken out of context?

Pierre 12-10-2020 23:02
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36053463)
I honestly don't think he meant what that clip is trying to imply. What was said before and after it? Has it been taken out of context?
God forbid. I mean Trump has never been edited or taken out of context so I doubt it would happen to Biden.

papa smurf 13-10-2020 10:32
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
He's back

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-give-22835143

Donald Trump tosses masks into rally crowd and says he'll give them all 'big fat kiss'
The US President claims he's 'immune' to coronavirus - and told a crowd in Florida he would give them a 'big fat kiss' after recovering from the infection left him feeling 'so powerful'

Hugh 13-10-2020 10:57
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36053462)
Joe Biden has said again today on the campaign trail he's a Democrat running for the Senate. :rolleyes:



If some of us were led to believe the polls, and Biden wins then he will have the 25th Amendment thrown his way by his own side... ;)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...orget-22835098
Quote:
No, Joe Biden didn't forget he was running for President, despite claims from Fox News and Donald Trump.

Viral tweets - and a segment on Fox News - selectively edited a speech made by the former Vice President to appear he had suggested he was running for the Senate.

But the unedited footage makes it clear he was referring to his initial run for the Senate in 1973.

However - and admittedly quite confusingly - the former Vice President mixed up his tenses.

The edited video shows him saying: "You know, we have to come together. That's why I'm running. I'm running as a proud Democrat for the Senate."

In the unedited footage, he's shown as saying: "You know, we have to come together. That's why I'm running. I'm running as a proud Democrat for the Senate, when I ran as a proud Democrat for vice president, and I'm running as a proud Democrat for president.

"But I promise you this, I will govern as an American president."
I wonder if Trump has any visits to Thighland planned?



Here are some more...

papa smurf 13-10-2020 11:04
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36053492)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...orget-22835098

I wonder if Trump has any visits to Thighland planned?
Thighland,i'd be up for some of that:)

Stephen 13-10-2020 12:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
I knew Trump would have tried to lie about what Biden actually said. Trump is the worst as getting his words wrong, or just forgetting them.

Mr K 13-10-2020 13:16
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36053491)
He's back

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-give-22835143

Donald Trump tosses masks into rally crowd and says he'll give them all 'big fat kiss'
The US President claims he's 'immune' to coronavirus - and told a crowd in Florida he would give them a 'big fat kiss' after recovering from the infection left him feeling 'so powerful'
A kiss from Donald ? No thanks.

It may appeal to his evangelical support who think he's the Second Coming, but they aren't the majority. To everyone else he's looks an idiot hence the polls.

papa smurf 13-10-2020 13:31
Re: U.S Election 2020
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36053506)
A kiss from Donald ? No thanks.

It may appeal to his evangelical support who think he's the Second Coming, but they aren't the majority. To everyone else he's looks an idiot hence the polls.
Yea but look at the idiots you've voted for ;)


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