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Talking of SNP - they got an absolute pasting on BBCQT last night.... By a Glaswegian in the Audience, reminded me of a certain Troll splatter.... :rofl:

I saw that too, she basically endorsed what Chris said to me earlier about what the average Scottish person thinks of the SNP.

1andrew1

08-02-2019 14:07

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Interesting article on when the Tory moderates may act to prevent a destructive no-deal

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LONDON — It's crunch time for the Tory moderates.
Inside the U.K. Cabinet, those most fiercely opposed to a no-deal Brexit return to their constituencies this weekend wrestling with the biggest dilemma of their political lives: How long to give Theresa May before triggering the emergency escape hatch?

Jump too soon, by resigning to join a parliamentary rebellion against no-deal, and risk scuppering the prime minister’s negotiation with Brussels at its most crucial stage. But wait too long and it may be too late. Worse still, they will have abandoned their post at a time of national emergency.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ther...oners-dilemma/

Maggy

08-02-2019 14:34

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35982586)

You’re right, they didn’t have a plan, they had a 600-page wish list dressed up as a White Paper - terminology deliberately chosen to imply detailed proposals only one step removed from a bill to be presented in parliament.

However they presented it as a plan, and it undid them. The wild promises of free money for all won them majorities in Glasgow and Dundee but thoroughly alienated everyone else. They failed to win Yes majorities even in districts where they had held parliamentary seats for decades (they have since lost several of those seats as well, mostly to Tories).

Vote Leave played a very canny game. They had aspirations and they presented them as such. They never once made a concrete claim of what would happen after the vote, though they did make many claims about what could happen. The £350 million NHS bus was one of those, and I think the fact that it wasn’t presented as a campaign promise is the reason why it has resisted all attempts to weaponise it, despite many furious attempts to do so by continuity remainers. They easily get themselves riled up over it, but it has never become the talisman of broken pledges that they have wanted it to be.

Of course this was not just canny campaigning by Vote Leave. It was never their remit to publish a manifesto because Vote Leave was never going to be in a position to implement anything.

A plague on all their houses..;)

jonbxx

08-02-2019 15:46

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Fun discussion on the similarities between the Sottish and EU Referendums, thank you!

In other news, some key dates are coming up - decisions need to be made now on loading ships from Australia and New Zealand going to the UK. In a week or so time, ships from China and Japan will need to be loaded for delivery after the end of March. At the moment, exporters don't know what tariffs they will be paying when the ships arrive.

More locally, the company I work for has finalised arrangements to avoid the UK land bridge to Ireland. Heavy goods are going directly from mainland Europe to Ireland by ship, extending delivery time by 24-48 hours and for smaller goods, customers are paying extra for air freight now.

Chris

08-02-2019 15:51

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982578)

Talking of SNP - they got an absolute pasting on BBCQT last night.... By a Glaswegian in the Audience, reminded me of a certain Troll splatter.... :rofl:

Aah, nothing quite like someone tearing the SNP a new one, especially in the heart of Yes bandit territory. :D

Angua

08-02-2019 16:43

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35982607)

Aah, nothing quite like someone tearing the SNP a new one, especially in the heart of Yes bandit territory. :D

Ah, one of the frequent flyers on QT. The BBC seem to transport people to suit, rather than have genuine local audiences.AIUI he is a failed UKIP candidate.

RichardCoulter

08-02-2019 17:17

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A survey has shown that 1/3 of companies are considering moving abroad because of Brexit, which would obviously be devastating for our economy:

http://business-review.eu/internatio...y-finds-195797

Tim Harford disputes this and intends to show why at 16:30 today on Radio 4 in his weekly programme that aims to prove or disprove statistical claims called 'More or Less'.

I'm hoping to catch some of this whilst waiting to be taken for a doctors appointment as it sounds interesting.

Mick	08-02-2019 17:35

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982612)

Ah, one of the frequent flyers on QT. The BBC seem to transport people to suit, rather than have genuine local audiences.AIUI he is a failed UKIP candidate.

He is genuine audience member. :rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees

08-02-2019 19:06

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982619)

He is genuine audience member. :rolleyes:

Yes, of course he is :rolleyes:

https://apple.news/AOsqMp-OhSRKTVb91P7n8PA

Mick	08-02-2019 23:55

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I don’t care what that link says. I stand by he’s genuine.

Sephiroth

09-02-2019 00:03

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Genuine or not, he made 100% sense and was entirely correct in his sentiment.

1andrew1

09-02-2019 00:32

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35982624)

Yes, of course he is :rolleyes:

https://apple.news/AOsqMp-OhSRKTVb91P7n8PA

Lol. I guess it saves the BBC making up extra name badges. :D

TheDaddy

09-02-2019 08:55

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35982624)

Yes, of course he is :rolleyes:

https://apple.news/AOsqMp-OhSRKTVb91P7n8PA

They were caught out in June iirc to, a failed Tory councillor was sticking up for pretti Patel, the plants name is Andrew livsley again iirc, shocking programme imo, not watched it for many years

Damien

09-02-2019 09:12

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I don't think there is any real suggestion he isn't genuine but it's clear he seems rather obsessed with getting on Question Time to rant. They need to screen the audience members better IMO. I don't buy that they're intentional plants either.

Mr K	09-02-2019 10:39

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982656)

Let's face it, there's as lot of ranting nutters about these days. Look where listening to them has got us...

Gave up watching QT a long time ago, just a shouting match. Might aswell watch WWF wrestling, that's less staged and less violent !

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