Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

Quote from The Sun:

Goods shipped to Britain from the EU are to be waved through 20 UK ports without checks in a No Deal to avoid huge jams – HMRC has declared.

In official advice released today, HM Revenue & Customs said that “for a temporary period” it would allow “most” shipments into the country before companies have even informed them they’ve arrived.

Exporters would have just over 24 hours to then fill in an electronic declaration.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35982139)

At last some sanity amongst all the scaremongering. One wonders why anybody would want to do extra checks over and above what is currently done for illegals and smuggling?

That's going to cause huge complaints from non-EU countries to the WTO if we treat the EU differently from other countries. Considering we haven't got our tariff schedule past the WTO yet which requires unanimous agreement, might be best not to aggravate other WTO members right now.

Angua

05-02-2019 11:24

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35982149)

Harder to please 167 than 27. With any favouritism used as leverage to flood the UK with goods from China & the USA. Really great for our farmers and already limited manufacturing base.

Damien

05-02-2019 11:31

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35982149)

It's also gonna really upset our own manufacturing sector.

ianch99

05-02-2019 12:13

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982155)

It's also gonna really upset our own manufacturing sector.

The advocates for the Hard Brexit have already conceded that the car industry will need to be "run down"

The devastating future for Welsh manufacturing predicted by a Brexit economist - and why he said it was a good thing

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Leading Brexiteer Jacob Rees Mogg has urged the public to listen to a Cardiff economist who said Brexit would lead to running down the car industry “in the same way we ran down the coal and steel industries”.

The comments from Cardiff University’s Professor Patrick Minford have come under the spotlight after Mr Rees-Mogg praised him in a newspaper article.

In 2012, he told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.

papa smurf

05-02-2019 17:11

Re: Brexit

IRISH EYES AREN'T SMILING Bullying EU bosses threaten to cut off Ireland if it doesn’t put up hard border after Brexit
Top euro MPs said protecting the bloc's Single Market - which Britain will leave after Brexit - will be more important than keeping the peace in Northern Ireland if the UK quits without an agreement

Senior German MEP Elmar Brok said if Ireland failed to police the frontier "we would have to set up a customs border with Ireland".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-after-brexit/

jfman

05-02-2019 17:23

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982192)

It’s essentially a legal obligation. Why should the EU accept a soft entry point for products below EU standards to enter the EU?

This isn’t a problem of Europe or Ireland created. Britain wants to exit the Single Market and Customs Union. That creates a border between Britain and the EU.

Not policing it is not a serious option. Would we tolerate illegal migration over it?

Sephiroth

05-02-2019 17:31

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982192)

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35982195)

This is typical of your approach to Brexit. A soothsayer for those awful EU apparatchiks.

Hugh	05-02-2019 17:35

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35982198)

This is typical of your approach to Brexit. A soothsayer for those awful EU apparatchiks.

How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?

papa smurf

05-02-2019 17:37

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982199)

How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?

It's a long way in a dingy.

1andrew1

05-02-2019 17:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982200)

It's a long way in a dingy.

Same distance in a catamaran or ferry.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35982198)

This is typical of your approach to Brexit. A soothsayer for those awful EU apparatchiks.

He is factually correct. Would you prefer him not to be?

papa smurf

05-02-2019 17:55

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35982201)

Same distance in a catamaran or ferry.

Why don't they just get a ferry straight to the UK.

jfman

05-02-2019 18:00

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982203)

Why don't they just get a ferry straight to the UK.

Because we are looking - that’s the entire point!

papa smurf

05-02-2019 18:03

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35982204)

Because we are looking - that’s the entire point!

So you're saying the Irish don't check for illegal immigrants?

jfman

05-02-2019 18:06

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35982198)

This is typical of your approach to Brexit. A soothsayer for those awful EU apparatchiks.

It’s a statement of fact to say Britain wants to leave the EU, Single Market and Customs Union. It’s a statement of fact to say that the Irish Republic does not.

Therefore this situation, that didn’t exist before now, does so because of Britain. It’s impossible to not have a border.

As much as the Empire types would love to see it in the Channel between the EU mainland and the islands of Ireland and Great Britain it’s not going to happen, and infringes on Irish sovereignty of all things!

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982205)

So you're saying the Irish don't check for illegal immigrants?

No, and you damn well know that’s not the point I made.

A migrant from the EU can enter the island of Ireland legally anywhere in the Republic. They can walk across the non-exitant border into the occupied six counties.

Presumably we don’t intend to put more stingent controls on travel from Northern Ireland to Great Britain?

RichardCoulter

05-02-2019 19:44

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982199)

How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35982203)

Why don't they just get a ferry straight to the UK.

Indeed, they would have to go to Ireland, then NI and onto the mainland as there will be no checks because of the Common Travel Area. Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that they'd even need to bother going to NI, but it would probably be less risky to do so.

If they came from another country they are far more likely to be stopped by immigration.

Was there a time when either the ROI or NI weren't in the EU and the other was? Ireland joined on 1/1/73, not sure of the exact date we joined in 1973. If so, what did we do then?

Perhaps it didn't matter if we had a hard border anyway in 1973. AFAIK it was the Good Friday Agreement that led to it being removed the last time; i've only ever crossed it after the the GFA was in place.

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