Re: Hamas Israel War
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Originally Posted by Pierre
(Post 36163887)
What it is supposed to be is irrelevant. The Swastika itself is a Hindu symbol of good luck and prosperity.
It is being used to portray a Nazi sign on the Israeli national symbol, like putting a swastika on the Union Flag. My point is she can do this without question, people on the march around her won’t pull her up over it, they’ll celebrate it and maybe get their own flags and banners with it on. Anti-Semitic / pro- Hamas……for all to see.
The point he is making, and you’re pretty pathetic here Hugh….well a lot pathetic, you’re an intelligent man, if you read the piece you’d know what he was saying.
His point is that many German soldiers were ashamed about what they did, they took no pleasure in it. (I don’t know how true that is but apart from the most fanatical SS, I can believe it)
Whereas, HAMAS revelled in their killings. Celebrated them.
That’s all, what do you find contrary about what he said?
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It’s strange that you believe that one woman with a disgusting sign represents all 300,000 marchers, but not that a bunch of evil Nazis represent all the "non-fanatical"* SS soldiers who killed the Jews…
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Woman on Anti-Semitic/ pro-Hamas rally, walks with swastika in Star of David, with impunity because she won’t be questioned or confronted. Because it’s acceptable, because it’s what they all think.
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Ashamed?
https://aeon.co/ideas/drunk-on-genoc...murdering-jews
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I was noon in early 1942 as Johann Grüner approached the ‘German House’ in the Polish town of Nowy Targ for lunch. As a mid-level Nazi bureaucrat in occupied Poland, he enjoyed the privileges of power and the opportunity for career advancement that came with duty in the East. The German House, a mix of cultural centre, restaurant and pub, was one of the privileges enjoyed by the occupiers. As he entered the building, he could hear a boisterous celebration within. At the front door, a clearly inebriated Gestapo official passed by, a beer coaster with the number 1,000 written in red pinned to his blouse. Addressing Grüner, the policeman drunkenly bragged: ‘Man, today I am celebrating my 1,000th execution!’
At first glance, the incident at the German House might appear to be a grotesque aberration involving a single depraved Nazi killer. However, such ‘celebrations’ were widespread in the occupied Eastern territories as members of the notorious Schutzstaffel (SS) and the German police routinely engaged in celebratory rituals after mass killings. In fact, among the perpetrators of genocide, heavy drinking was common at the killing sites, in pubs and on bases throughout Poland and the Soviet Union. In another horrific example, a group of policemen charged with the cremation of some 800 Jewish corpses used the occasion to tap a keg. In this case, one of the men, named Müller, had the ‘honour’ of setting fire to ‘his Jews’ as he and his colleagues sat around the fire drinking beer. In a similar case, a Jewish woman recalled the aftermath of a killing operation at Przemyśl in Poland: ‘I smelled the odour of burning bodies and saw a group of Gestapo men who sat by the fire, singing and drinking.’ For these Gestapo men, ‘victory celebrations’ proved to be the order of the day, and followed every killing action or ‘liberation from the Jews’.
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https://www.historyextra.com/period/...ify-holocaust/
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You have met a number of perpetrators of the Holocaust in your career. How was it that they could commit such terrible acts, even murdering babies and children?
A good example of this for me was [former SS member] Oskar Groening who we interviewed for our Auschwitz series. We asked him how the Nazis could murder children and he said that the enemy wasn’t the children but the blood in the children that would grow up to be a Jew. The reason they felt justified in their acts – and Himmler explicitly said this in a speech in 1943 – was that if you just killed the adults, the children would grow up to be avengers and they would come after your own children. So if you really loved your children then you should kill their children. If you were brave enough, you would have solved the problem for all time. That was the kind of stuff that was going on in their heads, I think.
So even after the Holocaust was over, some of those involved still felt they could justify it morally?
Yes, and this is one of the reasons I’ve carried on with this subject for 25 years. You dig and dig and dig and you can’t get to the bottom of it, because often you don’t expect the responses you get. If you talk, for example, to former members of the NKVD (Stalin’s secret police), who were involved in the horrendous deportations of Kalmyks or Chechens or Crimean Tatars, in the most part what they’ll say is: “If I didn’t do it I would have been shot.” And it’s very hard to go somewhere in an interview after that. But what was extraordinary about all these former Nazis is that I don’t think we ever heard that answer in all the years we were doing this. What we tended to hear was at the time they felt it was the right thing to do.
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May I suggest if your proposition includes defending Nazis who might have not been happy carrying out genocide, you may wish to rethink your position…
* were there "less fanatical" SS, as opposed to the "most fanatical" SS? |
