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Xaccers 18-07-2010 14:33
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35058043)
That's the main point here, there's a difference between practical and being forced. That's one aspect of why a lot of countries have brought in the rules and why the rules seem to have the "husbands forcing their wives to wear" clause inthem.

As far as my motorcycle comments if you actually read what I typed there are alternatives for motorcyclists such as flip helmets..

You seem to think it's a case of ONLY one rule to fit all so there's not much point in arguing with you especially when we motorcyclists or even a person in the cold does have other options unlike these burkha wearers..
If the bans were about protecting women from beign forced to wear then they would just be about that, but they are not.
The French ban is designed to ban the wearing of it by anyone even those who choose to wear it rather than just making it illegal to force someone to wear it.
For those women who believe that to adhere to their religion they must cover their faces the alternative is to not leave their home or break the law.

Who are you to say they are following their religion wrong?
It doesn't matter if the koran says nothing of the sort, their religion is their personal interpretation of Islam.

Why is it not wrong for you to force your view on Islam on a follower of it yet wrong for a fellow muslim to do the same?

As for flip up helmets they were out of my price range of myself and the other bikers I knew with the exception of my uncle, and there is the concern of the face popping open in an accident. So no, they are not an alternative for many bikers.

Hugh 18-07-2010 16:03
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35058128)
Those that they in the middle of a field on a dark night have been all PC for.
You are making as much sense as usual.

Synergistic xenophobia and cognitive distortion - the outcomes are as amusing as they are unsurprising.:D

papa smurf 18-07-2010 16:11
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35058128)
Those that they in the middle of a field on a dark night have been all PC for.
ie them simples :erm:

Gary L 18-07-2010 16:12
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35058160)
You are making as much sense as usual.
If it helps, your question didn't make sense at all :)

TheDaddy 18-07-2010 17:34
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35058013)
perhaps it should be taken to a national vote to see what the people want ,would that be a fair way to proceed ?
No not in my opinion it wouldn't be, perhaps there is a reason why London is the most tolerant, like they see them all the time unlike quite a few other people in the country who have never seen one in the 'flesh' but are nevertheless horrified by the prospect of them.

Russ 18-07-2010 17:42
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35058195)
No not in my opinion it wouldn't be, perhaps there is a reason why London is the most tolerant, like they see them all the time unlike quite a few other people in the country who have never seen one in the 'flesh' but are nevertheless horrified by the prospect of them.
:clap:

papa smurf 18-07-2010 17:56
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35058195)
No not in my opinion it wouldn't be, perhaps there is a reason why London is the most tolerant, like they see them all the time unlike quite a few other people in the country who have never seen one in the 'flesh' but are nevertheless horrified by the prospect of them.
yes there is a reason
Islam is London's largest and most significant minority religion. There were 607,083 Muslims reported in the 2001 census in the Greater London area.[1] Most Muslims are concentrated in the east London boroughs of Newham, Tower Hamlets and Waltham Forest. In England, 40% of Muslims live in London, where they make up 8.5% of the population.

which would explain the tolerance of the burkha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London

TheDaddy 18-07-2010 18:02
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35058209)
yes there is a reason
Islam is London's largest and most significant minority religion. There were 607,083 Muslims reported in the 2001 census in the Greater London area.[1] Most Muslims are concentrated in the east London boroughs of Newham, Tower Hamlets and Waltham Forest. In England, 40% of Muslims live in London, where they make up 8.5% of the population.

which would explain the tolerance of the burkha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London
Err no it wouldn't, 7-8 million people live in London and not all Muslims are in favour of them I'd imagine.

Hugh 18-07-2010 18:23
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35058217)
Err no it wouldn't, 7-8 million people live in London and not all Muslims are in favour of them I'd imagine.
Don't be silly - obviously "they" are all the same, just like all Christians agree on everything......:rolleyes:

Maggy 18-07-2010 18:31
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35058045)
by they i assume you mean the pc brigade who take it upon themselves to be outraged on our behalf and make decisions we are deemed incapable of making on our own .
Unlike the others who take it upon themselves to point out on our behalf at every opportunity how different Muslims are and how much they are taking over even though they are still a minority.

frogstamper 19-07-2010 03:14
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35058119)
I think the PC brigade are only that way through fear of having any trouble if they were out on a dark night in the middle of a field with them.

they pull out their PC membership card and say look at all the things I've done for you. don't tell me I did them all for nothing! :D
Are you really sure you want to be on my side of the argument Gary?

Statements like the above appear to show you want the burhka banned because of pure ignorance and fear.

Gary L 19-07-2010 08:37
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35058358)
Statements like the above appear to show you want the burhka banned because of pure ignorance and fear.
No it doesn't. it's not about the burkha even. it was about there being a possibility that some people are only PC through fear. like a senile judge that gives lenient sentences through fear that the chavs might find his house in the middle of nowhere. hidden away from reality.

Hugh 19-07-2010 09:51
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But most of us work on probability, not possibility........

It's possible that you are not a xenophobic sophist who caveats his postings with "ifs" and "mights" and "maybes", but is it probable?;)

Gary L 19-07-2010 10:09
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35058464)
But most of us work on probability, not possibility........
I do probabilities.

Quote:
It's possible that you are not a xenophobic sophist who caveats his postings with "ifs" and "mights" and "maybes", but is it probable?;)
about as probable as you being a care in the community case, with a fetish for all things red ;)

Hugh 19-07-2010 10:40
Re: Ban the burkha ?
 
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35058474)
I do probabilities.
We aren't talking about your visits to Ladbrokes, we're talking about your posts on CF, which seem to reflect (remote) possibilities rather than probabilities.
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35058474)
about as probable as you being a care in the community case, with a fetish for all things red ;)
Green, actually, and it's more of an affection than a fetish....:D

Anyhoo, I would have thought that you, of all people, would have been a avid supporter of deinstitutionalisation......;)


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