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There is evidence this has happened (and you can’t exclude the ‘vehement press’, because politicians and their readers react to them - they shape opinion/actions).

https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...parks-tory-row

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...le-proroguing/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-crisis.html

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Sir Jim Ratcliffe confirms new vehicle to be made in France


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55236852

another leaver making things in EU and not UK

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Don't see why there would be an impact because they took some car manufacturing away.

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More a case of taking over an existing factory, rather than building a new factory.
Also an extra part of the deal is this.
Common sense business decision to take over an existing factory, instead of having all the trouble and expense of building a new one.

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Could have taken over Honda's Swindon factory which is closing. Except of course it's not in the EU.

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Agreed. Ford sales have kept up despite no UK assembly any more.

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The Swindon plant isn't due to close until later on next year, which would be too late.

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Not an issue. Negotiation is always possible in these things. Note the word planned. Wasn't the Smart plant planned to close next year too?
What's not negotiable is whether a UK car plant is in the Customs Union and Single Market.

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How do we build up Britain’s post-Brexit capabilities if the billionaires who advocated for Brexit won’t build stuff here.

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That's a good question that many would like to see answered. The outlook for manufacturing in a post-Brexit world does not look great.

What we are seeing though is growth in film and TV studios eg Elstree, Reading, Dagenham and Liverpool.

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This is a reasonable article giving some of the reasons why.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidda...h=4cf2e271276c

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Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Maybe in a post-Brexit world we'll focus less on farming, fishing, manufacturing and the City and more on the creative arts and tourism. That would leave quite a few people stranded with redundant skills though.

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Honda said the date of closure was "set in stone" for July 2021 in order to have "clarity".
The French plant is not only still up and running, INEOS have taken over the existing contracts to supply cars and parts produced there. It's making money right now, as opposed to sometime never in Wales.

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Swindon is still up and running. INEOS could have taken over the existing contracts to supply Honda. I'm sure the British workers would have preferred jobs instead of "clarity" but their jobs seem of little importance to you.
Smart is not making money. That's why Mercedes-Benz sold a 50% stake in the company to Geely and wanted rid of the French factory.

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Meh. Global politics for you. I don't think anywhere near enough people will care to impact sales of French goods, people buy it because they want it. I wonder how many people in Britain can even name the President of France?

It's not as if we wouldn't screw over France to get a better deal for Britain if we could. You can bet we would happily welcome French car manufactures to move en-masse to the U.K because that's what we would expect of our Goverment.

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That's what minford said, farming and manufacturing would have to be sacrificed but it's okay, this was never about peoples livelihoods

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And that's why you'll see people not answering Hugh's point but keen to deflect when adverse news comes up on Dyson and Ineos not following through on UK car manufacturing.

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Dyson was because it would be too expensive to build wherever in the world, and Ineos are buying a ready made business, complete with the required expertise in building electric cars.


The constant threat of a UK Labour government can't help matters.

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We've discussed Swindon being an option.
Ineos are strangely not planning on building any electric Grenadiers.
Why would a Labour government be a problem and far more left-wing parties in France not be a problem?

Hugh's point still languishes unanswered.

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Swindon is not available because it's still building for Honda.

The French deal comes with contracts to buy what the factory is producing. Who wouldn't want that sort of deal?
As the Forbes article said, Ineos don't have the expertise in building electric cars, now they do.
He is going ahead with building them. That's why he bought the factory.:rolleyes:
From original BBC article that sparked this.
Why should anybody build stuff in the UK, just because? It has to be a business decision. If a similar facility had become currently available in the UK, Ineos might have gone for that.

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So somebody decides to buy an already existing car factory to produce the best electric 4x4 evah, and people are moaning that it's 'not fair' in a Brexit sense?

I don't think I heard the same people moaning over the past 20 years when other businesses and companies decided to move to out of Britain . . with some nice financial aids too :p:

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You could say the same thing about France - it's not available as it's building cars for Smart. Honda is a commercial company and if it could save costs by transferring the factory to Ineos then it would. Ineos could continue to manufacture for Honda as long as necessary. Business 101. :rolleyes:

But again, perhaps it's easier to devise excuses for Ineos instead of acknowledging the elephant in the room or addressing Hugh's bigger picture question.

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Would Honda want somebody else to make their cars?
Swindon doesn't make electric cars. That is why Honda is closing it. So altogether a non-starter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51473399Link

BOTH cars are going to be built at the French site.

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If you knew more about the motor sector, you would know that famously BL/Rover Group built cars in the UK for Honda before its Swindon factory opened.

Most car plants in Europe don't make electric cars but it's not rocket science to transfer an assembly line over to make them. In fact, Honda was planning to do this at Swindon. Honda would lose a lot of future car-buyers if it cited Brexit as a contributory reason for closure so sensibly it has not.

It's unclear whether the Ineos Grenadier will have any electric versions available.

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Difference is that this was one of the principal cheerleaders for Brexit, who said that we could go it on our own - but he's unwilling to back up his rhetoric with actions (also, moved to Monaco to avoid paying tax, so once again "Backing Britain" with words, not actions).

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Yes, James Dyson and Jim Ratcliffe of Ineos voted leave with their investments and themselves once the vote had passed.

Not so much "Backing Brexit Britain" as "Backing out of Brexit Britain".

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Don't worry Andrew, much of our infrastructure is still owned by Mr J. Foreigner so you'll still be buying/using EU stuff :p:

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Doesn't solve the jobs situation nor addresses Hugh's ananswered post.

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Why would Ineos take on 3,500 people at Swindon, when they only needed 200 initially and only up to 500 people? Pure nonsense.
As a result of this, Portugal is also losing out on the proposed plant for making the bodies and chassis. Has Portugal been affected by Brexit?

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Brexit news live: UK and EU 'on the precipice' of trade talks collapse, says Irish PM - ahead of Johnson's Brussels trip
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ne...ssels-12155941

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I'm not sure that kind of negative thinking is what is needed in Brexit Britain. We need to be seizing opportunities and thinking through how things can be achieved and not how they can't.
Ineos could have taken on those staff it needs and build up from that. If it does assembly work for Honda then I'm sure an agreement can be made for the necessary staff to stay on as long as needed and Honda can then fund their redundancy payments. Pure strawman nonsense to suggest they would all be taken on.

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12/10 on the irony scale

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Indeed, that's more brass neck than a Victorian bath tap;)

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Pritti Patel called. She would like her calculator back. ;)

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Liam Fox, 2017

Financial Times, 9th December 2020
https://www.ft.com/content/fb655185-...f-fbe97176c891

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Here's an interesting one . More 'Project Fear' from the Torygraph I should think, they're always at it ..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ary-1/#comment

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BoJo's dad won't be happy. How's one meant to check up on one's villa in Greece?

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Yup. It should have been. However the EU assumed we would bargain for extremely extensive single market engagement and lined up its demands in anticipation of that. In the event Britain has aimed for a far more modest trade deal, akin to that arranged with Canada. However the EU appears not to have recognised that if they give away less they get less in return.

Their demands for continuing regulatory alignment are absurd, as is their expectation that we would cede sovereignty over our maritime exclusive economic area. So yes, Liam Fox was absolutely right in 2017. It *should* have been easy. The EU has signed trade deals with countries that are not, and never will be, in any way aligned with its rule book.

There’s no real mystery as to why it hasn’t worked out as far as the EU is concerned - it simply lacks the philosophical ability to accommodate the idea that any country would choose to walk away from its grand unifying project. The UK has upended some quasi-religious assumptions on the continent and it simply doesn’t compute. The only real mystery is why anyone on this side of the channel is still blind to it.

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Likewise, the EU have always stated (since 2016) the importance of the Single Market, and would resist any efforts to undermine this - the only real mystery is why anyone on this side of the channel is still blind to it... ;)

It may have been because BoJo said back in 2016 we would still have access to the Single Market?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-br...on-idUKKCN0ZC1

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You’re being somewhat loose with your definitions. Unintentionally I’m sure.

“Access to” can mean almost anything. WTO is access to the single market. *No* access to the single market would be a complete ban on British goods and services being sold into the EEA, which is clearly an absurd proposition that would never happen.

However even if we allow that by “access to” Boris was talking about “preferential access to” (and that’s by no means certain, because a lot of prominent Remainers in 2016 were happily using the phrase “no access to” and allowing the impression to be formed that there might be a total ban on British goods - he may simply have been responding to just such a disingenuous comment) then his statement would still have been perfectly reasonable. Every international trade deal the EU has signed gives preferential access to the single market in some form or other. There was no reason to believe the EU would demand an extensive deal or nothing.

At the end of the day, in any negotiation if the price is too high you walk away. What you don’t do is allow the other side to believe you’ll eventually sign any deal rather than no deal.

International trade deals typically rely on mutual recognition of standards. Those that go further, only insist that goods produced for export are produced to the same standard as domestic products in the target market. That is a perfectly acceptable definition of protecting the single market. What the EU is trying to do is to ensure regulatory alignment so that British businesses can’t find ways of operating more efficiently, regardless of the standard of the finished goods and regardless of whether those goods are destined for the EU or not. That is totally absurd and misses the whole point of Brexit. They are terms not imposed on anyone else.

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What seems under-reported to me is that whatever is agreed or not agreed this weekend, Northern Ireland will still be subject to EU rules and the jurisdiction of the ECJ. So, we've not really got the sovereignty of the UK back.

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Northern Ireland is a millstone that in the long run is destined to drift into the Republic. Demographics will see to it even if European politics doesn’t. And British sovereignty there was compromised years ago as a necessary condition of the peace process. There was no functioning executive in Stormont from 2017 to 2019 yet the place was run by the Northern Ireland Civil Service (which is independent of the British home civil service that, internally, treats its Scottish and Welsh operations as departments just like all the others). The British Government could have restored direct rule but it was considered too politically difficult to do. The British Government chose not to exert its authority in part of its own sovereign territory. That really ought to set the present situation in some sort of context.

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It does feel like No Deal now. If this were about dramatics and last moment deal-making then you think it would be leading to 'crunch talks' between the leaders in Europe with a last-minute agreement being reached 2 am Monday morning.

Instead, it just feels like it's petering out. It's been kicked up to the negotiating teams with an extended deadline and no momentum. As if they all know it's over but just can't bring themselves to dramatically say it, maybe hoping the other side declares it over first.

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Agreed.

Come what may, I believe talks will be ongoing as there will just be a succession of smaller deals to agree over the forthcoming days, weeks and years.

The UK government now needs to move swiftly to ensure the retention of its car plants or it will be facing some unsavoury headlines.

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I think there will be a swell of opinion towards unification in the North but there are some tasty characters in the North who would not be happy. I guess it would depend if the Republic want to take on the UVF and their friends. That would be the core argument in any Republic of Ireland 'No' campaign in their referendum on the subject.

Of course, hiving off part of the UK would not be the best look for the Conservative and Unionist Party

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I don't see the point you're making, He was right. It "should" have been easy. Unfortunately we didn't foresee that they would want control over another nations sovereign waters and that they would want control over another nations laws?

What reasonable country would foresee such crazy things?

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For fear of drifting off topic, we could always make N.I. a condominium territory between G.B & R.o.I

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Press release from the EU.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1607600087

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We can go back to pre-referendum and it was a constant refrain from Remainers on how hard a deal would be. I don't have much sympathy for the Government if they fail to deliver on their promises and rhetoric. They're the ones who were elected to manage Brexit and any consequences that emerge from No Deal is on them.

Remember that the two reasons Brexiters said we would easily get a deal are because 'they need us more than we need them' and that German car companies would push Germany into a deal.

Whilst No Deal is very bad for the EU it's not so bad that they're not willing to go through with it clearly. Either this is what the Government intended or this misunderstood the cards they had at the table.

I still hope they back down a little on regulation but if they don't then No Deal here we come.

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Forget cars, its agriculture that will be decimated under no deal.

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Misunderstood the cards, they told us we held all the cards and if we have any sense at all we will never let them forget what they've said

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If we didn't have want they desperately want, then surely the EU would have agreed to whatever, a long time ago.
The Remain side insisted the EU were a nice bunch of people and would be reasonable and not try to bully us. How did that turn out?:rolleyes:

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Who said that? Remain were quite clear a deal would be hard.

I know one of the reasons I was against it is we were going from be an EU Member to an EU competitor and now we have a massive economic bloc right next to us as a rival. I was under no illusion as to how the EU would behave.

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Don't worry old chap. Boris has an 'oven ready deal', he doesn't lie ;)

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How do you work that out?

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Agreed. It was Leave who said it was going to be easy. For example:

Boris Johnson: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"

Gerard Batten, UKIP "A trade deal with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee"

David Davis: "You can be sure there will be a deal"

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But where is the oven? ;)

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The National Farmers Union have said so
Why a no-deal Brexit is catastrophic for British farming

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That was in the event of leaving.
They wanted us to remain with the EU, because they are such a nice bunch of people, would never try to harm our country, would never try to control us, and are perfectly reasonable about things.:rolleyes:

Could be argued that the Remain camp saying things would be hard because the EU would be maliciously difficult, is a very good reason for leaving in the first place.
You leave abusive and controlling partners, not stay with them.

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Nothing to do with losing EU subsidies allowing them to sit on their arse then ;)

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That was in connection with the withdrawal deal ONLY and with Parliament being prepared to pass it.:mad: That happened.


The EU agreed to this, Were they lying?

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You’re just like Labour, liars. The oven ready deal was the WA, that passed into law earlier this year.

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Well what the deal was depends depends who you asked and when
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...boris-17593151

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Technically you are correct. But BoJo did his best to give the impression it was for a deal. He didn't call it an "oven ready withdrawal agreement" he called it an "oven-ready deal" ;)

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The wasn't a post-WA deal of any sort on the table, oven-ready or not. Negotiations couldn't even start until AFTER the WA came into force. AS such "oven-ready" could NEVER have been about any post-WA deal.
Just as the Remain camp clamour for "no to no deal", ONLY referred to the WA.

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So based upon your "reasoning", the "no deal" the Remain camp were whinging about was a final deal, and not the WA.:confused:
Brexit HAS HAPPENED. It was being held up by a lack of a "deal" on the leaving "Transitional" arrangements.

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I wanted to stay in the EU because I feel it's better to be a part of a large economic bloc and single market than not to be. Not because 'they're a nice bunch of people'.

How 'nice' they are is irrelevant. This is diplomacy, not school. They may be nice, they might not. I think they, like us, operate in their own best interests and the extent to which we can get stuff agreed is when those interests align and when they don't you need to bargain and/or try to get your own way over theirs.

This is the same as with any US trade deal. Outside of a few fringe weirdos in the Tory Party who fetishise America the 'Special Relationship' isn't about personal like or not. It's about the fact our two countries share objectives about the world (at least a political level, i think culturally there is a connection as well obviously). America will work with us on a trade deal as far as it's in their interests to do so as will we. It's about how 'nice' America is either.

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Is the US planning on making a series of unreasonable demands on the UK or indeed anybody else? Is the EU making unreasonable demands on anybody else, other than the UK?
At NO POINT is the EU arguing for true 2-way cooperation, just a "do as we tell you". There is the crux of the matter.

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We don't have to accept any of the EU demands. But they don't have to give us tariff free trade either. You make your vote and you take the consequences.

Why are Brexiteers still so angry after 4 years? Surely they've got what they want. Or do they now realise their error ? Tbh no blame can he attached as they have been lied to, big time.

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So are you saying the EU demands are unreasonable.
I was replying to the ludicrous implication the the EU aren't asking for anything the US won't be.
As I said, you move away from abusive and controlling partners, because they will continue to be abusive and controlling.

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We want the benefits of membership without membership. Never going to happen.

I might try it at the turnstile of the next football match I go to. "I'm not a season ticket holder but I demand free entry". Wonder how I'll get on ? Same as Boris I expect.

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Spot on. Although I can't understand their anger as they know what they voted for. :confused:

Just waiting with my Brexit Bingo Card until the following have been blamed for no great deal being signed then I can go to the pub:
a) The bullying EU
b) Remainer voters
c) Civil servants
d) Remainer MPs

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We never even wanted all the benefits of membership when we were members, old bean. Remember the Schengen area, and the single currency?

The UK hasn't sought the 'benefits of membership' since the day these negotiations began, despite continuity remoaners endlessly demanding a 'soft Brexit' (i.e. not really leaving at all ... how's that for benefits).

What HMG has attempted to do is to strike a trade deal much the same as many other countries have managed to do. The UK's efforts have been modest, deliberately well short of either Norway or Switzerland - both of which enjoy many benefits of membership without being members - and modelled more on what Canada has been doing. Despite this, the EU has continued to try to extract concessions that seem to have been aligned with what they assumed we would ask for, rather than what we actually asked for.

The EU has simply been intellectually unprepared to conceive of a future relationship based on the UK as a fully independent sovereign third party. Take for example Emmanuel Macron, who even now seems to think it's reasonable for us to pay a price in sovereign control over our fisheries in order to placate his coastal voters at the next General Election. If we were negotiating the next big new treaty within the EU that might just about be a reasonable demand in the name of EU harmony. But, frankly, now it isn't our problem, no matter how much he wants to make it so. And so we are where we are.

I will be quite content with No Deal at the end of this month if that is what it takes for the EU to understand that nothing they had before is theirs by right. Maybe once the mud-slinging dies down early next year, and we are a completely detached and independent country, realistic negotiations can finally get underway.

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Let's respect one another's choices without resorting to derogatory names.

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Why are Brexiteers still so angry after 4 years?

Sorry? Angry at what?

Seems to me it's the Remain bunch that are still angry . . . apparently something to do with the price of a bottle of plonk, a holiday in Dusseldorf, and the lack of tinned apricots :rolleyes:

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There are no benefits to being a member, that sways me we need to be in their failed project, period, it is a con job union and a total corrupt one at that - The UK made the right decision to leave the corrupted EU.

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A generous gesture which we should accept if the worst comes to pass. ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lks-to-succeed

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Have they?

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4850

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As per, the EU is attempting linkage between unconnected issues.

If maintaining overflight and road haulage are each desirable in their own right then individual reciprocal agreement in each area makes sense.

There is however absolutely no connection with fisheries, and it cannot be reasonable to make the passage of emergency regulations in one area contingent on another. To do so is to treat them as actually not much of an emergency at all.

What this looks like is an attempt to extend a bare-bones version of the transition period, something which the withdrawal agreement specified should be requested by the UK and agreed to by the EU (not vice versa, IIRC). I predict this won’t fly in any form that maintains these linkages, and that if the EU persists, it is likely because they want to look like they held out the olive branch and aren’t at all responsible for any chaos that might ensue.

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Before the EU cuts up rough about overflights of the EU they should take a minute to consider that the transatlantic routes are set up and controlled by the UK and USA.

Any flight over the Atlantic has to sign in to the control centre and then fly the route they are allocated. Normally this is with the optimum jetstream conditions.

They could find their airlines given crap routes with the worst jetstream conditions.

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The EU press release I posted earlier makes no mention of any linkage at all and only mentions EU aircraft.

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You're well ahead of the curve. :D

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Yup, I read the press release earlier and it certainly doesn’t explicitly make linkage, so I didn’t respond to it when you posted it. However it’s possibly just ambiguous enough for the Graun to have concluded that it does, insofar as the 4 clauses are presented together and may only be available as a single package. The Graun may have phoned the EU press office for clarification or it may be just shoddy journalism from the Grauniad.

I’ve looked up the BBC’s own report now and they don’t seem to see linkage in it, which is a relief (and will teach me to take anything written by the po-faced, smug lefties at the Guardian at face value). The BBC’s angle is that there is more than a whiff of “level playing field” in the EU’s offer, which might still kill it as far as HMG is concerned.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

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Yeah, looked at the actual documents rather than the press release here and couldn't see any linkage.

It does seem like a lot of the contingencies are reciprocal so hopefully, they will indeed be reciprocated to keep flights and trucks moving

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The BBC report says:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55259144

This appears to support the Guardian's interpretation, doesn't it?.

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But in a limited context. From actual EU document.

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Thank you.

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It’s obvious there will be no agreement on the two main issues, so they need to find a 3rd way. Something new.

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Looks to me that the EU are insinuating that we (the UK) may start to become lax in the way we operate.

:scratch: or are we supposed to lower our standards to meet all 27 of those EU countries :D

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson warns UK is heading for a No Deal Brexit because of EU’s “Zombie” demands.

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Boris Johnson:

10th July 2017 "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"

10th December 2020 "There is a "strong possibility" no post-Brexit trade deal will be struck with the EU, Boris Johnson has warned.

The prime minister told British citizens and businesses to "make proper preparations" for the scenario, which would come into effect on 1 January 2021."

Let's hope it's all jolly bluster today and his 2017 statement was correct!

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It would have been if the EU stopped pissing about and trying to bully us into whatever they feel like tying us to.

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It’s all bluster. When has a British PM ever came back from Europe without a bit of razzmatazz. Comical Ali, sorry Laura K, is feeding the narrative. Deal by tea time on Sunday.

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

:D

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

1) That wasn't the complete sentence that was said.
2) The preceding sentence was:-
3) It's the Remainers that have constantly given hope to the EU that they can demand whatever.
4) The EU changed their position dramatically after the WA was agreed. Those are the main current sticking points.
5) Who's to say that with no future, ongoing deal is going to be a bad thing in the longer term?

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

:D
Apparently, both sides sorted out a deal months ago. But BoJo wanted a weekend back in Brussels with some nice food and importantly, a kip without the baby keeping him up all night. So, the EU agreed to his fiendish plot to look like a deal was not sorted until the last minute. He also gets to spend Christmas Eve down the duty-free Commons Bar after the deal has passed and not with the in-laws at midnight mass. :D

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

And who can blame him. A few days away on expenses. Continental food, beer, I mean what bloke wouldn't?

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

Dinner with a woman who has a moustache, think I would have stayed at home, with a kebab and a four pack;)

Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 

lmfao, looks like shes been sitting to close to the fire and her top lip has melted....:D

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I'm sure younger models will make it back to the room for the victory party.