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Isn't the other way around though?

The BBC are required to commission shows from independent producers, but in such a way that those producers retain the rights to the shows, rather than the BBC.

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Glad to see that I'm not the only one annoyed about that on TV version of iPlayer.

I do wonder if it's different if you log in though. I'm not going to do that until they force it, which given the prompts is coming soon.

The reason I've not logged in is other people in house have different tastes, so though I'm happy to log in on my own devices I'm not on the main TV.

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What about the many older series of which there are many which were completely made by the BBC.

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No, it's not.

The TV iPlayer does support profiles so you can all log in:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/h...o_is_signed_in

Such as?

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There are literally many many older very popular series going back many decades which the BBC have in their archives and thus so far most of them have never seen the light of day.

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OB both Sky and VM have been delivering live TV over IP for a good while with their TV Anywhere , Sky Go and Now TV products.

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Of that I have no doubt. But where is it that they've been sold off where the BBC retained the ownership and still have the complete rights to broadcast them?

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Oh fantastic! :) I had no idea iPlayer had that on the TV version. Looks very Netflix-esque in its implementation.

Thanks BenMcr! :tu:

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You can search the programme and then pick the appropriate episode you want to see. I agree, it could be better!

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If they were sold on as 'exclusives', I agree, but they may have retained the right to make them available on the i-Player as well.

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Yes, I think you are right on that, which is a shame, but I suppose needs must. I think that arrangement might be cheaper for the BBC, which would mean they could commission more shows for their channels.

However, with the need to compete with SVOD services and the fact that scheduled tv will diminish over the coming years, they may have to review their strategy.

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I know, MM, but what I am saying is that TV over the internet will increase with time. Plans are already being made by some satellite broadcasters for the day when broadcasts will no longer be delivered this way.

https://advanced-television.com/2018...irectv-owners/

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Well we shall see OB as it is rather disappointing viewers don't get to see some of the older content.

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They often never owned the rights in the first place, beyond first-run and some influence over creative direction. It keeps costs down.

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Does anyone know why Eurosport Player has disappeared from the 'apps and games' section of the TV menu?

I've heard that the player was not up to scratch. Is this true? Will it be missed?

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It was a vastly cut down version and wasn't the same as the mobile/tablet version, it only had news bulletins, not the sports events streams that you pay extra for. They shouldn't have used the same name for it.

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Thanks, cheekyangus.

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Now, AT&T in the States has abandoned the use of satellites, saying that it will not launch any more. Only a matter of time now before Sky makes a similar announcement.

I would imagine that in 10 - 15 years, Sky will cease to broadcast any more by satellite in favour of their new IPTV system about to be launched in the UK.

http://www.csimagazine.com/csi/ATT-s...-streaming.php

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To be fair Joe Public don't care how their TV is delivered.

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They will still watch the main flagship channels.

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. . . until something goes wrong and when they switch on for Coronation Street and the screen is blank. I would not like to trust the current state of the internet to bring TV channels 24/7

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I guess that's a fair point , both BT and Talk Talk have generally received more complaints than the industry average for a while according to Ofcom and both use IP delivery.

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That's the problem with IPTV. Lots to go wrong.

With Terrestrial Broadcast TV, there is still a lot that can go wrong, but there is also redundancy built in to almost every part of the system apart from the consumer equipment watching it. Even without the redundancy, the path is considerably more direct, which reduces the chances of failure itself.

I'm over simplifying, but the path each broadcast takes is essentially Broadcaster>Transmission Network Control Center>Transmitter>User's device.

The path taken for IPTV is essentially Content provider>Content Delivery Network>Internet>User's ISP>Internet>User. On the fact of it, not as complicated, but the term "Internet" covers potentially dozens of points of failure, including the ISPs local network, and any transatlantic links. Now, the Content Delivery Network is a form of redundancy itself as it should bypass any faults. The user's ISP should also have redundant links, at least to the major IPTV services, but there is still the problem of the local network that still introduces a lot of potential failure points. Most consumer ISPs will have redundancy on their connections to the internet, but that redundancy probably doesn't spread to the users.

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You may be correct, however Sky are introducing the IPTV system to grow their customer base by adding those unable or unwilling to have a dish.

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Funny people keep mentioning about Sky losing content even though it’s parent company are predicted along with Disney to dominate global content spending.
Link

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Indeed anybody can make claims but thus so far the wild predictions that several have predicted for the future have not transpired or are likely too.

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That is also true, but ultimately, the cost of delivery of programmes by satellite compared with IPTV will lead to IPTV taking over.

I share the view that relying solely on the internet for TV is of concern when you consider how often this might fail. And you won't be able to fall back on your recordings either if everything is recorded to the cloud.

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Well, they won't have, will they, as the future hasn't happened yet?

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According to you that future you predicted started years ago but l can have a word with Marty to move it forward a few decades for you.;)

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And the predictions were made for 20 years ahead. Do you remember that also? Only 3 years have elapsed since then, so you need to hold on to your hollihocks.

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Don't worry it is my great intention to remind you of this once or twice along the way unless l pop my clogs quickly.;)

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I can't see you popping off quickly Den, as when you are focussed on something that intently, it gives you something to live for!

Here's cheers to a long life of baiting and bitching for both of us! :drunk:

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l would not call it baiting as l would call it a difference of opinion OB.:)

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Funny how I can watch what I want, when I want from multiple sources.

If that can be done now by pirates why not the providers being able to?

Looks like being a pirate is the better option.

Have content providers not heard of the cloud?

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The cloud scenario is indeed a problematic one if you cannot view your recordings without the flaky/slow internet many are provided with.

As for the future not having happened yet, you can make the most outrageous predictions saying in the future - you can never be wrong because as you say the future hasn't happened yet, unfortunately it may never happen either.

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But you would be proven wrong in the future!

Yes, you could make ridiculous suggestions about what the future may bring, but my views on what may happen were formulated having regard to what was actually happening out there. As I indicated earlier, what I predicted three years ago would happen by 2035 or thereabouts is now the basis on which the BBC are making plans for what happens post 2028, so I believe I am on the right lines.

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You and l might not be alive in 2035 OB so like a skilful politician you have left yourself plenty of room to manoeuvre..;)

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I am not in a position to speed up progress, Den. Not much I can do about that, I'm afraid, but over the coming years you will start to see the pieces falling into place even though neither of us may actually see the eventual outcome.

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Broadband too slow in more than a quarter of UK homes.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...k-homes-report

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You can download films on Netflix?

Also, your quoting is suspect, den. "At that speed" is referring to 0.14Mbps.

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Sorry SP but l can only quote what is being written as to whether some of it stands up to scrutiny remains open to question.

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You can on mobile devices, but not on TV devices.

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Do you have to download material on Netflix to the Sky Q to view it as you do other on demand programming?

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No it's streamed.

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It seems to me that Netflix is well placed to take a hit with content being removed from their offering, given their aim at having at least 50% of the material offered as Netflix Originals.More people will be accessing Netflix to view the 'originals' rather than the older material on offer by October next year.

https://advanced-television.com/2018...censed-titles/

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Nobody said the viewing of originals wouldn't increase but things will certainly become far more difficult for Netflix when the likes of Disney/Fox and Comcast/Sky start streaming.

Both these media companies have far greater amounts of content available to them.

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A huge back catalogue going back many decades.

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Correct Den both movies and TV Shows.

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A lot of ppl may not be interested in shows that go back decades, original content would be my preferred choice.

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I'm not sure of your point , Disney/Fox , Warner Media and Comcast/Sky make far more original content than Netflix.

Back catalogue is equally as important though for a successful service that people are willing to pay for.

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Well, I guess it depends on how many people are attracted by that content. I does nothing for me. The Netflix Originals are the sole reason I subscribe to Netflix and I suspect a great many people have a similar view.

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Plenty are attracted by the older content though OB as well as watching the newer content.

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Look at the popular on Netflix section and trending now there is plenty of third party content just as their is originals so clearly many like watching it.

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But it all costs money - I pay more than enough for the tv I watch, without paying extra for things I might watch occasionally

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The fact that Netflix has just forked out $100m for the rights to show Friends for another year, illustrates the value that some older content does have.

In my opinion, the satellite/cable channels have greatly devalued older shows by their poor scheduling decisions. I expect the streamers in the future to behave more like terrestrial broadcasters and signpost certain older shows when similar new stuff becomes available.

We don't know the impact on Netflix yet on the loss of Disney/Fox content and whether the other Hollywood companies will also pull their stuff from the streamer.

Make the most of watching everything under one roof while it lasts, as in the near future we may need several streaming services to provide us with what we essentially get from Netflix today.

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It's mixing two different things here.

Sky, as you know full well, is currently a pay tv company as well as a broadband and mobile provider.

Having your parent company be America's largest cable company as well as owning one of the major Hollywood studios, is a major advantage for Sky, no doubt about that at all. But if other companies remove their content from Sky's pay tv platform, that will have a massive negative impact on Sky's current pay tv service.

Comcast will use the Sky brand and resources to launch streaming services into as many countries as it can and I believe this is Sky's future, as a global streamer competing against Netflix, Disney et all, rather than as a traditional pay tv platform.

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If third party companies don't want to take Sky's money in the future that leaves Sky funds with which to increase its own original content.

I think the perfect purchase for Comcast would be Discovery this would allow it to strengthen in the documentaries genre and give even more varied content for its future aspirations.

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I agree that there will be further mergers within the media/tech sector, including perhaps the one you suggest.

But I but disagree with you about the impact, the loss of content on Sky's platform would have. I don't dismiss this as easily as you and even if its just one company (Disney/Fox) that pulls content from Sky, that is still 40% of all Hollywood films.

It is still cheaper to buy in someone else's content than making stuff yourself, especially with regards to drama.

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I've already told you I don't buy into all this removal of third party content from platforms but I'll go along with you for now.

You are suggesting Disney/Fox , Warner Media , Comcast/Sky all go alone with streaming products direct to the consumer.

You then go on to discuss problems for Sky so what happens to Virgin and BT how do they survive ?

In TV the big global players will be the following in my opinion

Disney/Fox
Comcast
Warner Media
Amazon
Netflix

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Apart from anything else, they will be offering bundles of SVOD services including those you mention, thus securing the desired content for BT and Virgin as well as for Sky.

I also think that over time, those programmes more than two or three years old will no longer be exclusive to those sites, enabling other streaming services to show them as part of their subscription offering. It won't happen immediately as these sites fill up with content and they try to establish themselves, but I think that will come eventually to maximise the monetisation of their content.

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Bundling SVOD services bet there's tons to be made on £5 - £10 subs.

Sounds like more wishful thinking to me.

Sky will have content of its own and it's parent company with which to monetise I'm not sure selling SVOD services will net you much.

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Of course it will, just as bundling all those hundreds of channels works for Virgin Media now.

Adding a range of SVOD services to Virgin Media, BT, etc under wholesale deals will maximise the income for the streamers, provide reduced cost options for the punters and ensure that there is plenty of content available on existing platforms.

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Amazon Prime £79 a year and includes many perks from Amazon how much of a cut of that do you expect them to give platforms ?

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Well, what if, as an example, Virgin had a deal with Amazon whereby those with the existing subscriptions offers would be able to access Prime through their Virgin Media boxes and new subscribers through Virgin were offered a lower rate, but without the 'perks' and without the Amazon channels? Just one idea, but I think that with the range of streaming services Virgin could offer, together with the existing packages that are available for now, this could be made to work.

I do not share your distopian views of the future!

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More the land of make believe :D

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Well at least OB has a award to collect tonight as the dawn of OB has arrived on this forum.:naughty::naughty:

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The problem here is not what could be done, but whether the vendors consider it to be in their interests. Just because you can describe a package, doesn’t mean Amazon would want to do it.

Amazon’s strategy is bundling as many services as possible into Prime membership in order to build a loyal customer base. As a Prime member, you only have to have a mild grumble at them in the event of a late delivery in order to get another month’s free membership. They sell their smaller tablets almost at a loss because it gives them another way of showcasing their services to potential new subscribers. That’s how badly they want Prime members to stay Prime members.

So yes, they absolutely could make a carriage deal with Virgin Media. But are they going to? No, they are not. It would undermine a strategy they have thrown many millions of dollars at. Ultimately, OB, these things are determined by cold, hard business considerations, not the utopian dreams of a couch potato. ;)

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Of course they are, and it may well be that Amazon isn't interested in such an arrangement, but that was just an example of a different approach.

However, it is likely that Amazon would be happy to do a wholesale deal with Virgin, even on the basis of what they currently offer their customers. On the basis of, say, 5% commission, Virgin would stand to make about £4m from Amazon alone, assuming that there were, say, 1m customers on the Full House package. Multiply that by the number of additional streaming services coming our way and Netflix, and that provides a reasonable sum of money, half of which could be used to discount the amounts charged to customers.

This would be a good strategy to avoid the potential downsides of content reduction on the pay channels that muppetman was referring to, and of course this would be at a time when the number of pay tv channels are likely to be dropping back as well, meaning less cost for Virgin's TV service.

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Just to let you all know Mubi are currently offering 3 months access for £1

https://mubi.com/

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For anyone with a PlayStation Plus account you can get a FREE NOW TV Sky Sports week Pass, just enter your PSN ID in the link.

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/ex...y-sports-week/

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Comcast/NBC Universal OTT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-style-service

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Amazon are currently offering 90 day free trials for StarzPlay, MGM, Discovery and Hayu. I snapped up all but Hayu. Ho ho ho

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Just the job for OB methinks..:D

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thanks for this. great stuff

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Do Amazon not sell the Fire TV box anymore ?

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Discontinued i think, looks like they want you to buy the 4K fire stick.

https://www.cordcutters.com/amazon-f...endant-no-more

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A random thought popped into my head...

Wasn't Now TV due a 1080p upgrade by the end of 2018? I appreciate there's a few days left of the year but highly unlikely anything will happen now.

I've had a quick look on their forum and it is radio silence from the Now TV staff on there.

Even the mighty Sky get it wrong sometimes :)

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Anyone else notice how streaming services are becoming more like linear TV?

Finding more and more of the channels I subscribe to are now posting "Premier" videos which lists the time and date the video will stream for the first time. Here is an example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qlb1R7Fns-0

This is scheduled to Premier tomorrow at 9pm. From my experience of this the video will play from 9pm just like a TV broadcast. If you join the broadcast late you can't rewind the video to the start. You join it as its live and can only watch it from the start once the uploader has streamed the content in full for the first time.

Slightly different scenario but seeing more and more content on netflix and prime, mainly US imports, where they confirm the time and date the next episode will be available from. How's this any different from broadcasting as we know it?

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Sounds like they are using multicasting, where they transmit one copy from source, and the network routers replicate it to all the people who are watching. It avoids capacity problems at the servers for very popular content.

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To me it has a date and time due to it being live sport? That is not linear. It's just live.

Also when Netflix state a date and time for a new episode of a series, that is just the availability of it on the service. It's still not linear. You can watch it any time after its added. It's usually new shows that air weekly in the US, so they areaking them available as soon as possible. For example Star Trek discovery added new episodes each week last year at 8am the morning after it aired in the US.

Doesn't make it linear.

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The example Chad posted isn't live. It's the highlights of a fight that took place last week. Maybe they don't have the right to show it until 9pm.

Chad said "If you join the broadcast late you can't rewind the video to the start". That sounds linear to me. It just happens to be delivered over the internet.

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The stuff on YouTube I'm referring to isn't live. It highlights of a fight that took place last week.

I get the point you're making about shows from abroad becoming available on netflix etc... Always wondered why prime released episodes of the grand tour every Thursday at midnight. For me anyway it's no different to top gear being broadcast on a Sunday night at 9pm each week. Both shows are unavailable until a specific date at a specific time. You can watch it as soon as it becomes available or watch it at your own convenience either by streaming or pvr for the TV broadcast.

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Even when watching YouTube live broadcasts I can always rewind them.
Any new episodes added always let me rewind or fast forward if I watch them as soon as they are added. Have never seen any that don't.

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I tried to watch Sky Football through my Virgin to go on my Samsung tablet, just kept coming up error, Real nuisance as it does this quite often, Virgin programmes are ok, Sky is Rubbish,

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I don't know if you have, but I suspect you have to register your profile tablet with sky?

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I'm watching the video I linked last night just now. It started at nine o'clock. It will not allow me to rewind the video to the start on my smart TV. Won't let me rewind on my phone either.

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I may try Netflix for a month, and was wondering how ppl access it before I experiment and the missus gets annoyed with me for not leaving it alone ;)

Attached to the TV I have the following netflix compatible devices (the TV itself, and blu ray player are too old for the netflix app)

ps3
ps4
PC
Virgin Tivo

sadly blu tooth no longer works on ps3, so the blu mote remote won't work any more, and have to use a controller cabled :(

ps4 - would have to use controller so a bit cumbersome

PC - i could maybe set up the ps3 blumote with that, I've used that with vlc on the pc, not sure you can configure for netflix? I've also got wireless logitech keyboard with built in mousepad.

virgin Tivo box - seems most sensible - can use the remote as a normal remote, but bbc iplayer I've found to be a bit hit and miss, I remember a couple of times 5 mins into a sit com giving up and using the ps3 iplayer app instead, or pc as it kept stuttering :(

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It depends on the tivo you have? I have the V6 and netflix and iplayer etc load up exceptionally quick and are very stable.

The older tivo we have downstairs i have encountered issues with iplayer where it loads forever and then sometimes just stops randomly.

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this isn't a v6, it's previous gen :(

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There is this for the PS4

PDP Sony PS4 Officially Licensed Media Remote

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/6519265

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yeh, I've had that on my Amazon wishlist for a while, currently I don't watch things via the ps4 often enough to make it an essential purchase.

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I think your best option is to use the Netflix app on the PS4 it'll probably give you better performance than on the Tivo , although you may need that remote?

Another option is to buy something like an Amazon Fire stick if your TV has a spare HDMI port.

But if it was me i would try the PS4 and the Tivo on your FREE Netflix month trial before you make a decision.

Or just upgrade the TV to a good 4K one. :)

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I've signed up for free trial, just for the new Black Mirror really, so don't really want to spend more money :)

the input is useful, means I'll try ps4 first, rather than faff with other options and get annoyed, thanks :)

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I persuaded my wife to get Prime by transferring my Sky Movies subscription from Virgin Media to Now TV, and with the saving we made, we used that to get Amazon!

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Interestingly, when I go to use the app on the Virgin Tivo box, and try to watch the new Black Mirror, it warns me that the interactive stuff won't work, so I'll use PS4 and app, and it looks like I can use either the netflix app on my phone, or use the ps4 second screen app on the phone as a remote!

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The interactive elements do work on the V6. It's not surprising that the older TiVo doesn't support them though. The hardware design is around 10 years old.

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STV Player to launch on Sky for first time

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2019...or-first-time/

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I wonder if they’ll get the Eleven Sports games before they go to the wall.

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BBC launches consultation on iPlayer transformation plans

The BBC proposes:

• A longer initial period of availability for all programmes of at least 12 months
• Complete series box sets for selected titles made up of new returning series and their previous series
• More archive content

https://www.a516digital.com/2019/01/...n-iplayer.html

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The writing's on the wall for Eleven Sports in the UK.

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More likely afterwards knowing them.

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Starzplay coming to Virgin TV on the 9th of January.

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Eurosport channel available on Amazon for 1p per month for the next 6 months!

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VM seem to be pushing Starz Play at the moment.
Does anybody know if you sign up to this on Tivo via Virgin Media, whether you get a Starz Play account you can also use to access content on other platforms like Amazon Prime?

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Any StarzPlay account you may have is NOT linked to TiVo. It is an add-on on TiVo.

It is the same on Amazon Prime - if you add it on Amazon Prime it is not linked to the StarzPlay website (or TiVo).