Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

There’s no mechanism to stop UK state pensions for anyone entitled to one living abroad, whether in the EU or not. What may change is that it no longer rises each year. The way around this for many immigrants who left the UK will be to use a UK address of a family member.

Damien

03-02-2019 12:04

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35981828)

Doubtless, other factors alongside Brexit will be cited but given the current threat of no-deal, I defy any company to invest billions right now.

[url]https://news.sky.com/story/nissan-casts-further-gloom-on-car-industry-with-x-trail-blow-11625885

Just confirmed now.

https://twitter.com/SunderlandEcho/status/1092029191044956161

I hope the workers are ok. Whatever 'side' you're on in this no one wants to see job losses.

ianch99

03-02-2019 12:08

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981850)

There’s no mechanism to stop UK state pensions for anyone entitled to one living abroad, whether in the EU or not. What may change is that it no longer rises each year. The way around this for many immigrants who left the UK will be to use a UK address of a family member.

I think this would be illegal ..

jfman

03-02-2019 12:27

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35981852)

I think this would be illegal ..

Probably, but almost undetectable as long as the mail is delivered to the address given.

Hugh	03-02-2019 13:10

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35981833)

Spain & Argentina, to name two.

Varadkar's lot as per this article 31-Jan behind the Torygraph paywall: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...p-anglophobia/
Partial extract from publicly available piece:

One hundred years ago, a small group of newly elected MPs met at the Mansion House in Dublin to declare Irish independence. Curiously, the passion that existed in Ireland back then for the inalienable right of nations to self-determination finds no contemporary echo when it comes to understanding the impulses that led to Brexit.

On the contrary, the Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, may have used the recent centenary of that First Dail to laud the aspiration to a “free, independent and democratic state”, but he shamelessly did so while asserting that it now finds its fullest expression in, and is best achieved through, membership of the EU. It’s a telling indication of where the Irish public mood stands...

The rest of the article is very clear about how the public in general feel and go along with Varadkar's perfidious behaviour, which will be to the detriment of their exports.

You seem to have difficulty discerning the difference between liberation from an occupying country who had stolen the land from the natives and then suppressed their rights because of their religion (Irish Independence from Britain) and being part of a larger economic group of countries which support each other.

Pierre

03-02-2019 13:17

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35981851)

Just confirmed now.

https://twitter.com/SunderlandEcho/s...29191044956161

I hope the workers are ok. Whatever 'side' you're on in this no one wants to see job losses.

There are no job losses, this was about investment and job creation. The X-Trail which 100% made in japan was to be made here, announced 3 years ago.

However, no that Japan has got its FTA with the EU that isn’t so urgent now. They will cite Brexit for their reasoning and probably is a factor, but not the whole reason

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981858)

and being part of a larger economic group of countries which support each other.

If it was just that, there wouldn’t be an issue

RichardCoulter

03-02-2019 13:28

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35981852)

I think this would be illegal ..

Yes, it would clearly be benefit fraud to claim to be living elsewhere in order to obtain higher payments from the welfare state. Unfortunately, as my earlier link showed, sick & disabled people wouldn't even continue to receive frozen payments.

A lot of disabled people go to live abroad as the warmer climate is better for various conditions (sometimes on doctors advice). If I decided to do this it looks like i'd have to obtain an Irish passport to be able to move to Spain. I have friends in India, so maybe I could go there if there are no longer any advantages to moving to an EU country and my benefits would be stopped anyway. It's a lot cheaper to live, but I don't know what the Indian healthcare system is like- do you?

Sephiroth

03-02-2019 13:35

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981858)

Not at all. I see what is before me now. The rest of what you about Britain being an "occupying country" reinforces what I've said.

nomadking

03-02-2019 13:38

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35981862)

That would only work if your benefits and Pension came from Ireland. They are "transported" from one EU country to another EU country.

jfman

03-02-2019 13:52

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35981862)

State pension has different rules on residency because it’s based on contributions. Someone in theory has to have paid in to get out.

Hugh	03-02-2019 14:19

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35981865)

Not at all. I see what is before me now. The rest of what you about Britain being an "occupying country" reinforces what I've said.

So, The English didn’t invade Ireland, dispossess the local Catholic land-owners, confiscate their land, put absentee English landlords in their place and bring in Scottish and English settlers, and in the 17th Century kill, or exile (as slaves), half the population?

That must have another Ireland, then...:dozey:

Sephiroth

03-02-2019 15:04

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981870)

Which all goes to prove my point that the/many Irish still are antagonistic towards Britain, including the non-native Irish Varadkar.

Anyway, by your analogy we can stretch to the various invaders of England in the days before Kirk Douglas (to coin a phrase from Porridge).

RichardCoulter

03-02-2019 15:39

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35981866)

That would only work if your benefits and Pension came from Ireland. They are "transported" from one EU country to another EU country.

Thats true, this is why i'm saying that if I were to lose my benefits anyway, i'm no longer confined to having to go to an EU country. India is dirt cheap to live and most speak English, but it's their healthcare system that might put me off.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981867)

State pension has different rules on residency because it’s based on contributions. Someone in theory has to have paid in to get out.

ESA is also based on contributions, but there doesn't appear to be any special concession for the sick/disabled to permanently claim it abroad (if we leave without a deal). It's important that I continue to receive this as it awards NI credits for my state pension (I don't pay NI contributions via the income from my job.)

jfman

03-02-2019 15:49

Re: Brexit

ESA is based on contributions for 12 months after which it’s means tested. There’s no reason to continue to pay means tested benefits in this country for anyone resident overseas.

RichardCoulter

03-02-2019 16:05

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981877)

ESA is based on contributions for 12 months after which it’s means tested. There’s no reason to continue to pay means tested benefits in this country for anyone resident overseas.

Incorrect, Contribution Based ESA (now called New Style ESA) can be paid indefinitely to some claimants. Income Based ESA is gradually being phased out and claimants moved over to Universal Credit (UC). For those where ESA does stop, UC can be paid whilst abroad for between 1 and 6 months.

Payment of means tested benefits whilst abroad has never been available on a permanent basis as they are funded from general taxation. It's believed that the taxpayer should not have to fund people who don't live in this country. Whilst I agree with this, it's annoying that EU migrants (usually Poles in my experience) can come here and claim Child Benefit etc for their offspring back home.

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