Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Spotted by Peter N on BT forum.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_569290.html

"The problem for newspapers is that a story headlined 'Two Dead in Baghdad' isn't very product-friendly," said Kent Ertugrul, chief executive of Phorm, a behavioral targeting company working with British newspapers. "But if you know who is looking at the page, that's where the opportunity is."

I think what the slime-ball is trying to say is that he knows a good way to make money out of this sort of headline. You might read such an article to keep yourself informed about important events, but if Phorm knows you are interested in a holiday in Spain, you can also see all the ads for Spanish package holidays at the same time.

I know several members of our armed forces who have recently seen active service in that neck of the woods, including someone who has been awarded a Military Cross. They will be less than impressed by this statement and I intend to ask what the MOD think of it.

Kent, you are an idiot.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

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"The problem for newspapers is that a story headlined 'Two Dead in Baghdad' isn't very product-friendly," said Kent Ertugrul, chief executive of Phorm
"

that is just sick, vile, and repulsive........:nono:
:upyours:
:sick:
:bsmack:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Added to Wikipedia under "Company History" (last paragraph of Company History)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm

I have to say this one even surprised me, and I have met the man.

Forwarded it to Chris Williams at El Reg too and asked him to include it in the next article he does so people can see this man in his true colours.

Digg It - http://digg.com/tech_news/CEO_of_Pho..._death_and_war

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Dugg and commented.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i can think of another headline that he would not view as product friendly

"the truth about phorm / webwise " in big red letters on the front of the sun, what a bshame it has not appeared yet

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have gone on to this page in my browser: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php

Clicked Tools in IE7 and reported the site as a Phishing site.

Thanks Sirius

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

What an appalling thing to say!!

Just goes to show what kind of 'businessman' he really is ... :mad:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have just done likewise and reported it in IE7.

Colin

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Wonder why they could not quite do the job right at http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php

They've got a broken image at the top because they missed out a slash in the path:
http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/imageslogo_75x36.gif
(http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/images/logo_75x36.gif)

Silly plonkers.

Hopefully they've missed out something equally small and vital in Ts & Cs or contracts that will leave Phorm hanging from a cliff. And nowadays I don't care if BT joins them there too.

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm not sure where on the toilet - down pipe - sewer - sewage farm continuum this puts Mr Ertugrul and his nasty little company, but whereever it is, BT are right there alongside him. Personally I think I'd locate it somewhere just below the outfall/discharge pipe.

I've sent this one up to BT management just so they know where they are PR-wise.

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I've just noticed - the BT logo has disappeared off the page - I think we may be rattling them. Keep reporting it, everyone - maybe they will even move it back to BT servers.

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Not silly plonkers- worried plonkers. That logo was there yesterday. It's the phishing reports that have got them worried?

Just keep them on the run, keep harassing them.

Why not write to BT Retail legal again with the phishing allegation?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Reported the site as a phish

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Re the BT Contact link on the BT Webwise page:

Back in early March I asked a question of BT Webwise using this link - it must have been the http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php
page. It took someone a while to reply, but here it is, received on March 13 2008:

<quote, with personal details edited out>
Dear Mr. (My surname)

Thank your for your email and apology in delay in responding.

I can confirm that on the 14 Feb BT, Talk Talk and Virgin Media all
confirmed that we had entered in to agreements with Phorm, enabling us
to offer to our customers a new free internet feature called Webwise.
Webwise provides an additional level of protection against malicious
websites and ensures fewer irrelevant adverts. In essence a safer and
more relevant browsing experience. Prior to the announcement BT
thoroughly researched Webwise and was encouraged by the very positive
consumer response to the service.

Clearly our customer's privacy is extremely important to us. Information
on users browsing is completely anonymous, it doesn't gather personally
identifiable information, doesn't store URL's, IP addresses or retain
browsing histories and the raw data used is deleted in real time - by
the time the page loads. Webwise does not scan webmail pages so your
emails on Gmail, Yahoo mail or Hotmail are not scanned. Secure pages
like your banking websites and web forms like any online registration or
sign-up forms are not scanned. No personal information often contained
in form fields is therefore ever captured by the system. No data is
passed outside of BT's network. Webwise privacy standards have been
verified by external auditor Ernst & Young, Of course BT, TalkTalk and
Virgin Media have all completed appropriate due diligence on Phorm, we
also understand that other ISP's both in and outside of the UK are
currently talking to them.

BT expects to begin technical trials of the BT Webwise service shortly.
We will be inviting around 10,000 BT broadband Consumer customers to
take part in the trial. The trial invitation will be presented through a
special web page that will appear when those customers start a web
browsing session. At this point, those customers invited can choose to
opt in, opt out or to find out more information. Customers choosing not
to take part will not be profiled. The www.bt.com/webwise site also
contains detailed information on the service and a one-click option to
switch the service off, which can be activated at any point during the
trial. The BT Privacy Policy and BT Total Broadband Service Terms will
be amended accordingly.

Opting out means that no browsing data whatsoever is processed. Opting
in and out of BT Webwise is extremely easy and completely transparent.
Standard opt out method does depend on a cookie remaining on your
machine indicating that you have opted out. If you delete your cookies
regularly, you will have to opt-out again each time you start a browsing
session. But for those who delete cookies regularly and want to remain
opted out, you can block cookies from the domain www.webwise.net on each
browser you use. When you block this domain, the service will opt you
out permanently.

I hope that this response allays the concerns that you have expressed.
Please note that BT Webwise service will not be available for BT Retail
Business customers.

-----Original Message-----
From: marketing@phorm.com [mailto:marketing@phorm.com]
Sent: 05 March 2008 19:24
To: marketing@phorm.com
Subject: BT.webwise.com Contact Request

*** This email came from a bt.webwise.com contact submission on Wed 5
Mar 14:23:34 EST 2008. ***

Title: Mr
First name: (My real first name)
Last name: (My real surname)
ISP: BT
Email: (my primary bt emailATbtopenworld.com)
Phone:
User type: Unknown User

Questions or comments:
I wish to ensure that no browsing history whatsoever is available to
your insidious snooping. Is www.oix.net the only URL that I must set
cookie-controls to reject?

</quote>

After you've had a good laugh at the atrocious grammar, punctuation and wonky syntax, have a think about the following:
1. No personal named signatory, as is normal, in my experience, from BT.
2. No BT department contained in the signature information, as is normal from BT.
2. A post to a BT department/organisation receives a reply mentioning other ISPs that are irrelevant to the subject matter.
3. The significance of the lines after and including marketingATphorm.com.
4. The date stamp - EST.

The evidence tells me that BT have passed my personal details to a third party that is outside the UK - phorm - specifically, my real name, my ISP and my primary BT email address. If I had inserted my phone number in the appropriate field, then they'd have that too.

But I may be wrong, so I'd be interested in any comments. I know the phorm issue can get get blood boiling, so carefully considered and unemotive please :) Is this a clear case of an offence under RIPA?

gnilddif

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

You would think you were going t a folder inside BT's BT.com domain but if you click or right click and select copy link you end up

http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/index.php

So BT are redirecting you to the phishing site knowing that you might accidently fill in details to contact them from that site thinking you are still on a BT website.

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Just fired another email off to Emma she read the last one but not replied.

To anyone who has filled in the contact us on that site you have just given Phorm your personal details outside of the EU and on an american hosted website I should complain to BT for them not informing you that they redirected you to a domain that looked like it was theirs but wasn't and outside their domains and control.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

could it a way of them getting the victims sorry customers for the test they planning.:(

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I tried filling in the http://webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php form on the BT Webwise Phorm phishing site, with some made-up details, and got this when I clicked the button to submit:

(didn't work for contact-confirm.php either)

Not Found

The requested URL http://webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact-confirm.html was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.3 (FH) Server at webwise.bt.com Port 80

I wonder?

BT logo has reappeared though.