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Dave42 14-07-2019 13:52
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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For fear of straying off topic, I agree no one has such a plan.
thats always been the biggest problem Andrew no 1 person had a plan and why we still in this mess

ianch99 14-07-2019 17:31
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
Pierre, continuing our discussion about the next PM:

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I can see that you are trying to justify the choice of Johnson as PM but why justify it?
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No I’m not. Just saying I don’t think he’s a racist.


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is he fit to rule the country at this most critical time?
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I don’t think he’ll take us into a war, I don’t think he’ll take us into financial Armageddon......I mean he might, but that doesn’t predispose him from becoming PM does it?


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Don't hide behind tribal constructs, be honest and ask the question: is he capable of making objective, mature and insightful decisions regards the nation's future destiny. Don't compare him to a choice of two, compare him to the decades past and then answer honestly.
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I don’t know, i’m Willing to see what he can do.
I am curious why you do not take the position of Seph, for example, and conclude that neither are fit to be the PM?

I concede that concluding Johnson is racist is quite a subjective decision. Some believe what he has said constitutes dog whistle racism and some think that he is just being "Boris". This avenue of criticism is a bit of a side show to be honest.

My main concern is that he does not have the temperament to make the correct "big" decisions at the right time. His recent interviews highlighted this. Supporting someone because he is telling you anything you want to hear is not a ringing endorsement.

Any old snake oil salesmen can promise anything but a PM needs to be make of the "right" stuff and I feel that Johnson is not cut from that cloth.

Carth 14-07-2019 20:04
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I was always under the impression (probably wrongly) that the PM was usually guided along his/her decision making by the people in the background offering expert advice and information on the matter in hand . .

. . like Blair and Iraq

or Thatcher and The Falklands

or even May and Brexit . . . err hang on . . :scratch:

seems I was totally off planet on that one, carry on :D

Sephiroth 14-07-2019 21:10
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
I have seen my name prayed in aid a couple of times. For me, none of the above is because Hunt is a Remainer who will be seen as soft by the EU. Boris is an untrustworthy buffoon.

Hugh 14-07-2019 21:38
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36002600)
I was always under the impression (probably wrongly) that the PM was usually guided along his/her decision making by the people in the background offering expert advice and information on the matter in hand . .

. . like Blair and Iraq

or Thatcher and The Falklands

or even May and Brexit . . . err hang on . . :scratch:

seems I was totally off planet on that one, carry on :D
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.

Pierre 14-07-2019 21:54
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002588)
Pierre, continuing our discussion about the next PM:



I am curious why you do not take the position of Seph, for example, and conclude that neither are fit to be the PM?
Because one of them will be. So best choose one.

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I concede that concluding Johnson is racist is quite a subjective decision. Some believe what he has said constitutes dog whistle racism and some think that he is just being "Boris". This avenue of criticism is a bit of a side show to be honest.

My main concern is that he does not have the temperament to make the correct "big" decisions at the right time. His recent interviews highlighted this. Supporting someone because he is telling you anything you want to hear is not a ringing endorsement.

Any old snake oil salesmen can promise anything but a PM needs to be make of the "right" stuff and I feel that Johnson is not cut from that cloth.
But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 22:33
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)
But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.
She was at least not promising to spend 50% more than Jeremy Corbyn!

Maggy 14-07-2019 23:55
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36002614)
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.
:tu:

ianch99 15-07-2019 01:16
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36002607)
I have seen my name prayed in aid a couple of times. For me, none of the above is because Hunt is a Remainer who will be seen as soft by the EU. Boris is an untrustworthy buffoon.
What on earth does "prayed in aid" mean?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36002626)
Because one of them will be. So best choose one.



But between Johnson and Hunt, we’ve already had hunt. She was called May. That turned out well.
You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36002614)
In my 45 years of work, having undertaken many interviews (and been on an interview panel for many, many more, at all levels, from technician to Director level), it’s never been a mitigating factor if someone is not suitable for the position that they "have a good team in place" - they are the leader and role model for the team, not someone who needs people in place to moderate their excesses.
Ah, an introduction of logic and reason. Strange characteristics in these them parts ..

1andrew1 15-07-2019 02:58
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)
What on earth does "prayed in aid" mean?
It only has one meaning - someone has been celebrating the cricket! :beer::cleader:

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 07:43
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36002659)
You are missing the point: why endorse one if they are both the wrong choice?
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?

denphone 15-07-2019 08:37
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002670)
Because there is no third choice. Ever heard of the best of a bad bunch?
Best of a bad bunch crikey that is not saying a lot!! then as far as l am concerned they won't be getting my vote...

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 08:48
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002674)
Best of a bad bunch crikey that is not saying a lot!! then as far as l am concerned they won't be getting my vote...
You don’t get to vote, Den. :D

denphone 15-07-2019 08:54
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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You don’t get to vote, Den. :D
l know that OB but my sentiments still apply..;)

Mr K 15-07-2019 09:01
Re: Leadership who is the next PM?
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002680)
You don’t get to vote, Den. :D
Like 99.8% of the population.....


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