Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35988866)

What if the people can't make a decision?

What margin of victory would be seen as acceptable.

What if it was

17,000,001 Remain

and

17,000,000 Leave

Do we Remain, all's fair, accept the result and bugger off.

and vice versa, Leave vote confirmed beyond question?

This is why a second referendum would be an absolute disaster. It has be sorted out now.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988924)

I'll never understand why the ERG didn't go for May's Deal, especially the 2nd time when it was clear what was happening. I don't know what they thought would happen but after the deal failed they were reportedly cheering and humming the Great Escape.

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35988926)

Makes me laugh how they take a chunk out of May but couldn't even pull a deal off themselves.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988931)

In her defence she’s came back with the best deal. The other options are no deal or some measure of BRINO.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35988933)

So what is your definition of BRINO(Brexit in name only), that isn't in the withdrawal agreement?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35988920)

Well yeah but that is absolutely what they did and what we expected them to do. The concept of voting again next week with the most popular options remaining was already priced into the decision making.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35988928)

Stockpiling it is then..

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35988946)

5 months ahead of you on that ;)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35988947)

You will be able to open a shop in a minute.;)

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35988935)

The WA is part one of a two step process. The next part shaping the future relationship which could be BRINO but could not.

Commitments to the single market and the customs union are already binding the final outcome to be BRINO.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35988949)

The WA is effectively BRINO, and that is the ONLY deal that she has come up with. So the current "deal" IS BRINO.

In it there's an awful lot of this sort of thing, "unless so authorised by the Union".

Then there is the bit about the backstop:-
And that involves the UK being forced to remain in a customs union. Why would the EU agree to anything, when they get so much by not agreeing to anything? Especially as the attempted coup by the Remain side hasn't finished yet. What idiot allowed the "unless and until" bit, when that is possibly the biggest factor in the WA not being agreed.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35988951)

The thing that gets me is how you can have a protocol that you cannot ever unilaterally terminate in a temporary agreement! The backstop should end when the withdrawal agreement ends unless there is a separate agreement to the contrary.

Only the EU could come up with something so perverse. I'm not even so sure it could be enforced once the withdrawal agreement expires- once ended, where is the legal authority for the backstop?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988825)

What is a hard Brexiteer?

I am sick of these unjustly qualifying terms being used. There is no such thing. You want to Remain, you are not a hard Remainer. A person who wants to leave is not a hard leaver.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35988818)

I’m not here to defend Mogg or anyone in particular. As it happens I think Mogg is being a little revisionist of his own position. I’m just trying to ensure the discussion is a little closer to the totality of what people have said, rather than obsessing over selective one-liners that validate our existing viewpoints.

Acquis communautaire isn’t just fancy French for the sake of it. It is one of the key principles of the European Union and its existence is the reason for one of the main principled objections to UK membership. The Acquis is the body of EU law, but it is also the principle that once an area of national competence has become part of the body of EU law, it remains there permanently, and EU membership mandates full compliance with it.

As a third party, the UK can form treaties with the EU (or any other state, or supra-national institution) that allow cooperation on issues where it is in the mutual interest of the UK and whoever else. That means we may operate in line with the Acquis in some things, but crucially because we are not members of the EU we are not bound by all of it.