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jfman 25-07-2020 21:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044691)
The problem is too many people are behaving as if there isn't anything going on. Too many people partying etc. Too many people attending non-essential gatherings. If people were more cautious, here and on holiday abroad, things might ease up.
Indeed, and normal behaviour has an inevitable outcome which is where the Government will inevitably step in.

Boris himself said it in statement of 16 March - we need to minimise social contact and avoid unnecessary travel. These things are as true today as they were then.

ianch99 25-07-2020 21:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044584)
Yet now they are saying if we'd done it earlier it'd have been shorter, and easier to test, trace and isolate.

Instead we've got the second wave coming and Boris hasn't ruled out a second national lockdown. Indeed, he's already talking it up as a bold, drastic measure, a bit patriotic too like the nuclear deterrent.
If this pandemic tracks anything like the 1918 one then yes, a second wave is coming in early October:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/07/7.png

This is interesting reading:

https://khn.org/news/fact-check-is-a...avirus-coming/

It gives some analysis why this pandemic may not have the same profile as Spanish Flu but you never know ...

Hugh 25-07-2020 22:29
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36044682)
The fact remains that the likes of Prof Whittey, by his own admission, were advising the government against an early lockdown. The government accepted that advice - why would they not?

Unless you let the virus run free in the population, we will continue to get second, third, fourth (etc) waves. It will carry on like that until it is done with us.

There is surely enough evidence of this in other parts of the world, and most recently in Spain. Admittedly, the virus would have been slowed down quicker had there been an earlier lockdown in the UK, but that would simply have left more people to be infected at a later date.

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Yeah, if it worked! Boris fell for the civil service hype. They cannot keep to deadlines or what is expected of them for the life of them! I'm glad to see that a purge is on the cards.

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Any further lockdown should be targeted and focussed on 'at risk' groups. A total lockdown is taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

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Hopefully, this will apply only to mainland Spain. It would be foolish to include the Canaries if their infection rates were acceptable.
That statement is not based in reality, only in your rabid fealty to BJ/DC, and your apparent belief they can do know wrong.

He has form in promising things that have no basis in reality - remember the Social Care promise, in his first public speech after winning the Tory Leadership/becoming PM?

Quote:
Boris Johnson promised to fix the social care crisis ‘once and for all’ as he stood on the steps of Downing Street yesterday.

In his first speech as Prime Minister, Mr Johnson vowed to protect elderly people from the ‘fear’ of having to sell their homes to pay sky-high care bills.

He claimed he had a clear plan of action to give every older person the ‘dignity and security they deserve’.
Then in January this year, this happened
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Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead, saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.

Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away"
BJ asked the EU for a three-month delay to Brexit, having previously said he would rather be "dead in a ditch".

1andrew1 26-07-2020 00:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044677)
Coronavirus: Spain added to England's quarantine list
How many people are going to get caught out by that?
Ironically, the Transport Minister, Grant Shapps has been.
Quote:
GRANT SHAPPS will have to quarantine for two weeks when he arrives back in the UK from Spain, the Department for Transport has confirmed, after coronavirus travel advice was changed by the Government.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...OVID-19-update

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044589)
l thought it was supposed to be world beating.;)
Put it this way, it's not made it onto Russia's to-hack list. ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044702)
BJ asked the EU for a three-month delay to Brexit, having previously said he would rather be "dead in a ditch".
Somewhat morbidly, he came closer to delivering on that promise than many others.

Pierre 26-07-2020 10:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36044699)
If this pandemic tracks anything like the 1918 one then yes, a second wave is coming in early October:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/07/7.png

This is interesting reading:

https://khn.org/news/fact-check-is-a...avirus-coming/

It gives some analysis why this pandemic may not have the same profile as Spanish Flu but you never know ...
This is not 1918 and it is not the flu (as I am continually reminded). Although a US slanted article it says as much and advises

Quote:
The patterns in mutations and seasonality suggest that the coronavirus may not follow the wave patterns of the 1918 flu. Instead, the spread of the coronavirus may follow something more like a plateau, with spikes possible if social distancing isn’t adhered to fully.
I think that is more like what we are, and will be, seeing.

I certainly see no evidence for a large scale 2nd wave In the UK akin to April/May of this year.

jfman 26-07-2020 11:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
That’s the thing though - it’s not like it’s going to give us a sign saying it’s coming in two weeks and make some plans.

Boris claiming everything will be back to normal by Christmas (relatively) begs the question what changes between now and then? Does test, trace, isolate have the capacity to quickly identify cases and their close contacts?

If it does not and people behave “relatively” normal then in the absence of divine intervention it’d take a second wave a small number of weeks to escalate out of control from “everything is fine” - let’s call that January 31 and “lockdown” on March 23.

The push to get people back into offices, back onto public transport and back into pubs and restaurants all the while schools are in easily has the potential for the 700 cases a day England are reporting to become a few thousand per day in the pre-symptomatic phase. Where’s the mitigation?

Mr K 26-07-2020 11:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044680)
Expect the action to be repeated for other countries when outbreaks happen.

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I believe so, along with the Balearics.
Tbh anyone booking an abroad holiday in the middle of this is bonkers. Plenty of lovely places in this country. Staying in the UK for one summer isn't a great hardship and would give the economy some help. We voted for self isolation in 2016, so get used to staycations, as going abroad will be more expensive/complicated, even without a pandemic.

1andrew1 26-07-2020 12:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36044682)
Hopefully, this will apply only to mainland Spain. It would be foolish to include the Canaries if their infection rates were acceptable.
Agreed. I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level, but travel instructions are more precise.
Quote:
All travellers from Spain to the UK must self-isolate at home for two weeks, the Department for Transport (DfT) has announced.
In addition, the Foreign Office says mainland Spain poses “an unacceptably high risk for British travellers,” and now advises against all non-essential travel there – but not the Balearic and Canary Islands.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9638176.html

Carth 26-07-2020 12:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044718)
Tbh anyone booking an abroad holiday in the middle of this is bonkers. Plenty of lovely places in this country. Staying in the UK for one summer isn't a great hardship and would give the economy some help. We voted for self isolation in 2016, so get used to staycations, as going abroad will be more expensive/complicated, even without a pandemic.
The wifes brother and his family were booked for Spain in a few weeks, they are now hurriedly trying to 're-book' or alter their holiday destination to Greece
. . . like that's a good idea :rolleyes:


Sun, Sea, Sangria and Covid :D

Pierre 26-07-2020 12:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044718)
Tbh anyone booking an abroad holiday in the middle of this is bonkers. Plenty of lovely places in this country. Staying in the UK for one summer isn't a great hardship and would give the economy some help. We voted for self isolation in 2016, so get used to staycations, as going abroad will be more expensive/complicated, even without a pandemic.
Apart from the all to predictable Brexit dig, I agree. We shelved any plans for a foreign holiday late Feb.

nomadking 26-07-2020 13:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044723)
Agreed. I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level, but travel instructions are more precise.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9638176.html
Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?
Link
Quote:
People already in Spain can stay for the remainder of their holiday, the government says.
However, from Sunday, they will have to self-isolate for two weeks upon their return.
The rules apply to travellers arriving from anywhere in Spain - including the Canary and Balearic Islands.
They're certainly not listed separately as being somewhere you don't have to self-isolate on returning. There isn't as such a list of countries that you have self-isolate on returning, only a list of countries where you don't.
Travel Corridor list

jfman 26-07-2020 13:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044731)
Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?
Link
They're certainly not listed separately as being somewhere you don't have to self-isolate on returning. There isn't as such a list of countries that you have self-isolate on returning, only a list of countries where you don't.
Travel Corridor list
Nomadking is right. Everyone returning from Spain (inc. islands) quarantines.

Separately the Foreign Office advises against all non-essential travel to the Spanish mainland. This advice does not apply to the islands. It means nothing in terms of quarantine.

More reckless reporting by the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53541503

While I’ve some (limited) sympathy for folk caught up in this the Government advice could always change at short notice. And the idiot who says:

Quote:
People entering the UK from Spain pose significantly less risk to people in the UK than the 99% of the UK's population that show a total disregard for lockdown and social distancing measures.
Should frankly not be given a platform to spout such bitter nonsense.

1andrew1 26-07-2020 21:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044731)
Where does it exclude the islands from the self-isolation rules?
I've not made that claim. What I said was:

"I think confusingly isolation instructions are at country level..." so anyone returning from anywhere in Spain would face the same self-isolation rules.

"...but travel instructions are more precise." The travel instruction rules are more precise than country level as the Foreign Office "now advises against all non-essential travel there [mainland Spain] – but not the Balearic and Canary Islands.

Paul 26-07-2020 22:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
My friend is not going to be happy, she is in Lanzarote this week.

pip08456 27-07-2020 03:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
This is an interesting development, if it goes any further remains to be seen. Seaweed extract may be better than Remdesvir.

https://www.labroots.com/trending/dr...cking-covid-19

jfman 27-07-2020 12:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-from-spain

Unhelpful input from the Labour Party.

Maggy 27-07-2020 12:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
Well if we had an effective track and trace we might be doing better.Seems a good point to make.

jfman 27-07-2020 13:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36044800)
Well if we had an effective track and trace we might be doing better.Seems a good point to make.
We might, and it’s definitely part of the answer. However these aren’t mutually exclusive options.

The Labour Party are cynically undermining the public health response to try and get public support. Unfortunately, managing the pandemic means making unpopular choices. There’s no going back to normal regardless of how much anyone wishes it to be so.

Nobody leaving the UK should reasonably expect to return and not have the possibility of quarantine given in the 7-14 day period of a holiday much can change in that time at your destination.

Messing up border control speeds up a second lockdown. If we want to avoid that then we need to throw everything at our disposal at controlling this.

Mick 27-07-2020 13:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
BREAKING: UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer has confirmed the first confirmed animal (a pet cat), is infected with Covid-19 in Weybridge, Surrey.

papa smurf 27-07-2020 13:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044802)
BREAKING: UK’s Chief Veterinary Officer has confirmed the first confirmed animal (a pet cat), is infected with Covid-19 in Weybridge, Surrey.
I was just reading this https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...virus-22423248


The government said there was no evidence to suggest the animal transmitted the disease to its owners.

Instead a government spokesman said: "All available evidence suggests that the cat contracted the coronavirus from its owners who had previously tested positive for COVID-19.


"The cat and its owners have since made a full recovery and there was no transmission to other animals or people in the household."

It is the first confirmed case of an animal infection with the coronavirus strain in the UK, after a small number of others in Europe, North America and Asia.

This breaking news story is being updated.

nomadking 27-07-2020 13:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Link

Quote:
Under the current system, contact tracers attempt to reach close contacts of an infected person by text, email or up to 10 times by phone call.
If they don't respond there's not much else you can do.

Quote:
More than 5,500 people in four areas with the highest infection rates in England were not contacted when they should have been told to self-isolate, the Guardian has learned. These included 3,340 people in Leicester, 984 in Kirklees, 759 in Rochdale and 448 in Blackburn with Darwen.
Quote:
Factors including language barriers, distrust of unknown callers and missed emails could explain the low contact completion rate in the worst-affected towns, where in some cases the virus is disproportionately affecting people of south Asian heritage.
The initial infection case must know enough about the other contacts in order to give out the contact info.

heero_yuy 27-07-2020 13:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
If the phone contacters withhold their number or have the call centre 3 second delay most people either don't take the call or hang up.

e-mail is a much better way of contacting IMHO.

1andrew1 27-07-2020 14:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044801)
We might, and it’s definitely part of the answer. However these aren’t mutually exclusive options.

The Labour Party are cynically undermining the public health response to try and get public support. Unfortunately, managing the pandemic means making unpopular choices. There’s no going back to normal regardless of how much anyone wishes it to be so.

Nobody leaving the UK should reasonably expect to return and not have the possibility of quarantine given in the 7-14 day period of a holiday much can change in that time at your destination.

Messing up border control speeds up a second lockdown. If we want to avoid that then we need to throw everything at our disposal at controlling this.
Compared to the sacrifices made by the NHS and key workers, foregoing an overseas foreign holiday is the least anyone can do. The depleted UK tourism industry can also do with our spending power.

Hugh 27-07-2020 14:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Well, we’re in self-isolation until my daughter’s test results come back...

She came round for a coffee yesterday, but the day before, she had been at a "baby shower" in a friend’s garden, and one of the other attendees tested positive this morning - my daughter and her husband are being tested this afternoon, and they should get the results back in 48 hours.

Probably being over-cautious, but we’d rather be safe than sorry (not spread it to others in case we have caught it).

Sephiroth 27-07-2020 15:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.

Quote:
The UK Government’s Contain–Delay–Mitigate–Research strategy failed. It failed, in part, because ministers didn’t follow WHO’s advice to “test, test, test” every suspected case. They didn’t isolate and quarantine. They didn’t contact trace.
... and there's more in the link.

jfman 27-07-2020 15:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Are you saying I’m not trustworthy :D

denphone 27-07-2020 15:11
Re: Coronavirus
 
The report is pretty damning that is for sure.

Sephiroth 27-07-2020 15:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044812)
Are you saying I’m not trustworthy :D
"Most" was an adverb for "damning".

1andrew1 27-07-2020 16:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044811)
http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.

... and there's more in the link.
Crikey Seph, I wasn't expecting that, I thought Mr K was writing in blue ink for a change!

Just need you to add "If this is the quality of the country's sovereign decision-making then let's re-join the EU" and we'll both be on the same page! :D

Sephiroth 27-07-2020 16:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044820)
Crikey Seph, I wasn't expecting that, I thought Mr K was writing in blue ink for a change!

Just need you to add "If this is the quality of the country's sovereign decision-making then let's re-join the EU" and we'll both be on the same page! :D
Don't spoil it, Andrew!

I'm a great believer in truth (and an enemy of socialism and Brussels diktat).

nomadking 27-07-2020 17:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044811)
http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.

... and there's more in the link.
They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.


The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

Quote:
* the government's complete disregard of World Health Organisation evidence
* deeper concern with maintaining a flawed commercial market system than a national service for general public good
* years of underfunding and fragmentation by allowing private health companies to enter and break it up
How much of that isn't politically biased?


An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.

Maggy 27-07-2020 17:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)
They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.


The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?


An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.
Got a link or a source?

jfman 27-07-2020 17:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)

How much of that isn't politically biased?
How much if it isn’t true?

denphone 27-07-2020 17:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)
They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.


The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?


An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.
So if you don't agree with it its got to be politically biased?.

Please tell me why you think it is politically biased as its common knowledge that the government of the day have been behind the eight ball on nearly everything since February.

nashville 27-07-2020 17:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
It is for every persons protection. How can people silly,

peanut 27-07-2020 18:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
You've got to be a total idiot to book or go on a holiday right now. You can't moan when it goes tits up.

Hugh 27-07-2020 18:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044828)
They DID test and trace, until the number of cases grew too large. That was in line with other countries including Germany and South Korea. Again even Germany and South Korea had shortages of PPE and testing kits, and they were "barely" touched by it.


The initial WHO advice was not to bother with the general public wearing face masks, what happened to that?
From your link

How much of that isn't politically biased?


An independent(non-UK) report from last year said that the UK was 2nd in being the best prepared. Another independent(non-UK) report also said that the NHS had stock worth £100m ready for a pandemic.
South Korea had very effective test and trace from early on...

Quote:
South Korea has effectively flattened its curve without imposing strict stay-home measures of other countries by developing an aggressive and widespread strategy of testing and contact tracing. With free, 10-minute tests conducted in drive-thru and walk-in centers, the country of 51 million had tested over 270,000 people by mid-March, reports the Guardian.

Further, utilizing GPS phone tracking, CCTV and credit card transaction monitoring, the country employs a comprehensive universal contact tracing strategy—automating alerts to people who may have been exposed to COVID-19 via text message. Officials say this system requires only 10-minutes per case.
And Germany

jfman 27-07-2020 18:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Well people did want the rules simplified.

The Foreign Office now advises against all non-essential travel to Spain - including the islands.

If the media didn’t act wilfully stupid to try and stoke sentiment around “hard done by” people who went on holiday during a global pandemic then the Government could operate nuanced rules. If people want things straightforward then there’s an easy way to achieve that - and not always in a positive way.

Hom3r 27-07-2020 18:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
I saw a doctor talking, he said wearing a face mask does not reduce O2 into the body, and if your breathing stops you wearing a mask, you shouldn't be out in the first place.

I feel those with special need, should be exempt, and store should say no mask no entry.

But they are too scared about the negative publicity.

1andrew1 27-07-2020 19:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36044836)
I saw a doctor talking, he said wearing a face mask does not reduce O2 into the body, and if your breathing stops you wearing a mask, you shouldn't be out in the first place.

I feel those with special need, should be exempt, and store should say no mask no entry.

But they are too scared about the negative publicity.
Those with special needs are exempt from wearing them. How the stores handle matters is up to them within the confines of the law.

Pierre 27-07-2020 19:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044801)
Nobody leaving the UK should reasonably expect to return and not have the possibility of quarantine given in the 7-14 day period of a holiday much can change in that time at your destination.
Considering we ( and most of Europe) were in full on lockdown 120 days ago, the fact that anyone is going on holiday anywhere is amazing and a Surprise quarantine Being sprung on you should be considered an acceptable hazard and you should plan for it.

See I can agree with you.

1andrew1 27-07-2020 19:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36044833)
You've got to be a total idiot to book or go on a holiday right now. You can't moan when it goes tits up.
Absolutely but plenty of people have booked holidays and flights that can't be cancelled, many months ago, some last year. They are literaly are faced with a lose it or use it dilemma. Friends going to New York have decided to lose it, friends going to Spain were going to use it; we'll see.

Hugh 27-07-2020 19:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ers-july-2021/

Quote:
Google employees will work from home until at least summer 2021

Google won’t bring its 200,000 employees back to the office until July 2021, pushing past its January timeline as U.S. coronavirus cases surge and a vaccine remains months away.


That makes parent company, Alphabet, the first major U.S. company to push its comeback into the second half of next year. Google spokesman Jason Post confirmed the decision, first reported by the Wall Street Journal, on Monday.


Chief executive Sundar Pichai announced the new timetable in a companywide email, to “give employees the ability to plan ahead.”


Pichai made the decision last week. He was partly influenced by the differing approaches to school reopening across the country, the Journal reported. The work-from-home option applies to employees at the company’s headquarters in Mountain View, Calif., as well as in other parts of the United States, the United Kingdom and India.

Pierre 27-07-2020 19:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044811)
http://999callfornhs.org.uk/lancet-e...ack/4594892241

This is the most damning trustworthy report I have read that lays bare what was wrong with the UK's approach to CV.



... and there's more in the link.
Lessons to be learned, without doubt.

But the due to actions taken the NHS Was not overwhelmed, everybody that needed a ventilator got one.

I’m not saying they got it right, of course they got many things wrong, but they did get some things right.

So I am not of a mind to see any crucifixions over it, just a plan for future scenarios.

Paul 27-07-2020 23:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044797)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ers-from-spain

Unhelpful input from the Labour Party.
:confused:

Quote:
Spain seeks removal of UK Covid-19 restrictions for Canaries and Balearics

jfman 27-07-2020 23:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Between 1pm and 4pm they’ve rewritten the whole article.

The hyperlink still has the old headline.

... coronavirus-labour-criticises-blunt-tool-quarantine-rules-for-travellers-from-spain

They had quotes and everything!

mrmistoffelees 28-07-2020 09:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
Over 18million Brits go to Spain each year. There's significant dependency on tourism approx 14% of GDP.

If you were cynically minded, you could raise the question is this really to do with reducing the risk of a 2nd wave of infection? Or, is it an attempt to get Spain to apply pressure on the rest of the EU with regards to the ongoing talks?

Not saying it is, just something perhaps worth considering

papa smurf 28-07-2020 10:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36044862)
Over 18million Brits go to Spain each year. There's significant dependency on tourism approx 14% of GDP.

If you were cynically minded, you could raise the question is this really to do with reducing the risk of a 2nd wave of infection? Or, is it an attempt to get Spain to apply pressure on the rest of the EU with regards to the ongoing talks?

Not saying it is, just something perhaps worth considering
But but but "we need them more than they need us"

Sephiroth 28-07-2020 10:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044863)
But but but "we need them more than they need us"
Good one!

mrmistoffelees 28-07-2020 10:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044863)
But but but "we need them more than they need us"
Collectively I believe that the UK need the whole of the EU more than they do us. However as you're well aware Spain isn't the whole of the EU

nomadking 28-07-2020 10:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36044829)
Got a link or a source?
Yep of course, and previously posted.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044830)
How much if it isn’t true?
Are you saying that the references to market forces and private companies aren't anything but politically bias?

papa smurf 28-07-2020 10:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36044866)
Collectively I believe that the UK need the whole of the EU more than they do us. However as you're well aware Spain isn't the whole of the EU
Not to mention the Fish that several Eu countries rely on.

OLD BOY 28-07-2020 12:00
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36044866)
Collectively I believe that the UK need the whole of the EU more than they do us. However as you're well aware Spain isn't the whole of the EU
No, we don't, but that is for a different thread. And I don't buy your conspiracy theory linking Spain with the EU! My God!!

Sephiroth 28-07-2020 12:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36044866)
Collectively I believe that the UK need the whole of the EU more than they do us. However as you're well aware Spain isn't the whole of the EU
Correct - and they really do need the EU. If they need us (except for our fish), something's wrong there. Expect Gibraltar shenanigans.

Hugh 28-07-2020 12:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044872)
Not to mention the Fish that several Eu countries rely on.
Not to mention the EU countries that we need as a market for our fish...

Quote:
The majority of fish eaten in the UK is imported. Some 83% of the cod consumed in the UK comes from abroad, alongside 58% of its haddock. The UK catch is 5% cod and 7% haddock, while the UK fleet catches a lot of herring, 93% of which is exported, mostly to Norway and the Netherlands.

Overall, the UK imports 70% of the fish it eats and exports 80% of what it catches.

1andrew1 28-07-2020 12:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044893)
Not to mention the EU countries that we need as a market for our fish...
Exactly, that's the nub of the fishing dilemma, a sector that accounts for 0.01% of UK GDP but seems to take up about 50% of negotiations.

Sephiroth 28-07-2020 12:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044893)
Not to mention the EU countries that we need as a market for our fish...
On a different note - provided that our Guvmin isn't acting politically (who knows - anything can be true), it doesn't need Ibiza to be clear TODAY of CV for someone or tens from Barcelona to bring it there, for example. See the Italian ski resorts for details.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044894)
Exactly, that's the nub of the fishing dilemma, a sector that accounts for 0.01% of UK GDP but seems to take up about 50% of negotiations.
I shall re-quote in the EU thread and reply!

papa smurf 28-07-2020 12:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044893)
Not to mention the EU countries that we need as a market for our fish...
I doubt they will stop eating fish but fish is a great product that can be frozen and transported anywhere in the word,it can be processed into various products/canned /salted and dried/smoked and cured into red herrings;) and of course sold cheaply to the uk market.

jfman 28-07-2020 12:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.

papa smurf 28-07-2020 12:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
I totally agree with you, Butlitz or bust this summer.

The problem is Spanish folk can't drink as much as the English who can't even compete with the Scotts,so takings will be down on the costa dell piss up.

1andrew1 28-07-2020 12:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
Totally agree with you but if I was working for Tui or easyJet I might have a different viewpoint.

denphone 28-07-2020 12:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
This is just one example of what one suspects will be of many more.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nchester-visit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044901)
I totally agree with you, Butlitz or bust this summer.

The problem is Spanish folk can't drink as much as the English who can't even compete with the Scotts,so takings will be down on the costa dell piss up.
Crikey us three agreeing on something for once.:)

jfman 28-07-2020 12:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044902)
Totally agree with you but if I was working for Tui or easyJet I might have a different viewpoint.
Unfortunately the virus isn’t going to make exceptions based on employment sectors, and neither can an effective response. It’s for the Government(s) around the world to target support where needed.

In a second wave, in any country, the whole economy goes to pot anyway.

papa smurf 28-07-2020 13:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044902)
Totally agree with you but if I was working for Tui or easyJet I might have a different viewpoint.
If you worked for either of them i would suggest looking for another job in another industry or become a butlins redcoat;)

1andrew1 28-07-2020 13:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044910)
If you worked for either of them i would suggest looking for another job in another industry or become a butlins redcoat;)
Fortunately I don't - I think the only opportunities of growth seem to be delivery drivers at the moment.

Sephiroth 28-07-2020 14:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
You're not as sensible as usual, jfman.

How about Mauritius, which is where we'll be going (again)?

papa smurf 28-07-2020 14:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36044914)
You're not as sensible as usual, jfman.

How about Mauritius, which is where we'll be going (again)?
https://allafrica.com/stories/202007280792.html



book early for butlins

Sephiroth 28-07-2020 15:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044916)
To the best of my knowledge, the restrictions at Mauritius cease on 31-August. Then we'll see.

Hugh 28-07-2020 17:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044810)
Well, we’re in self-isolation until my daughter’s test results come back...

She came round for a coffee yesterday, but the day before, she had been at a "baby shower" in a friend’s garden, and one of the other attendees tested positive this morning - my daughter and her husband are being tested this afternoon, and they should get the results back in 48 hours.

Probably being over-cautious, but we’d rather be safe than sorry (not spread it to others in case we have caught it).
All clear - test results came back negative.

Keep calm and carry on... :)

1andrew1 28-07-2020 18:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Twitter gave the president's son a 12-hour time out from tweeting on Tuesday after he posted a link to a video containing what Twitter said was misleading information about COVID-19.

Donald Trump Jr posted a video promoting the drug hydroxychloroquine, which his father has also promoted and claimed to be taking himself as a precaution against the coronavirus...

However scientists in the UK have also halted a large trial of the drug after early results showed it had no benefit in those suffering from the virus.

"We reviewed the data and concluded there is no evidence of a beneficial effect of hydroxychloroquine in patients," said Professor Martin Landray from the University of Oxford, who is co-leading the RECOVERY trial.

"This is not a treatment [for COVID-19]," he said.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...video-12037963

Hom3r 28-07-2020 19:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36044833)
You've got to be a total idiot to book or go on a holiday right now. You can't moan when it goes tits up.

My sister booked her holiday last year, the villa she was staying at cancelled the booking and refunded her.

Ryan air however refused the flight did leave as planned., and said they could move it for £800, she chose to lose the £900+ the air tickets cost.

Pierre 28-07-2020 19:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
Another post of yours I agree with.....stop it.

Paul 28-07-2020 21:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044902)
Totally agree with you but if I was working for Tui or easyJet I might have a different viewpoint.
..... or anyone else who works in Airports, you realise there are quite a few shops in airports, that require customers (ie passengers).

1andrew1 28-07-2020 22:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36044969)
..... or anyone else who works in Airports, you realise there are quite a few shops in airports, that require customers (ie passengers).
Indeed. I chose to use cite two good examples to save us all from an exhaustive but ultimately tedious list.

tweetiepooh 29-07-2020 13:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
I prefer to holiday somewhere where the weather is going to be hot and dry, the food good and locals friendly. That doesn't sound like the UK much. You can get aspects of each in the UK but none are guaranteed.

Carth 29-07-2020 13:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36045007)
I prefer to holiday somewhere where the weather is going to be hot and dry, the food good and locals friendly. That doesn't sound like the UK much. You can get aspects of each in the UK but none are guaranteed.
That'll be Wales out then :D




*disclaimer, I actually like Wales

OLD BOY 29-07-2020 14:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044900)
Spanish people should holiday in Spain, German people should holiday in Germany and UK people should holiday in the UK. Europe (the continent) is in this mess because it was too slow to shut down internal borders.

I don’t know what competent public health authority, anywhere in the world, would genuinely think their chances to controlling the virus is aided by tens of thousands of people moving into and out of their jurisdictions on a daily basis.
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.

Fat chance of that happening, unfortunately. Unless, of course, this virus forces the government to re-think.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36044906)
Unfortunately the virus isn’t going to make exceptions based on employment sectors, and neither can an effective response. It’s for the Government(s) around the world to target support where needed.

In a second wave, in any country, the whole economy goes to pot anyway.
The government will not have a second national lockdown, and when we start to find hotspots cropping up all over the place, they will come to realise that local lockdowns are too disruptive and confusing.

There is only one solution, although I know you don't want to hear it.

Oh, another big outbreak in China - who would have thought it...?

denphone 29-07-2020 14:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045011)
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.
1. l can agree on the lack of good weather.
2. But that is the free market at work there OB.;)
3. l think you are being rather harsh there OB.
4. Plenty of decent reasonable priced accomadation if you look around and book early.
5. See answer no 2.

1andrew1 29-07-2020 14:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045011)
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.

Fat chance of that happening, unfortunately. Unless, of course, this virus forces the government to re-think.
Old Boy, I don't think you're painting the country in its best light. There are so many fabulous places in the UK to enjoy. What's more cost-effective than fish and chips followed by a cheap beer at Brexit-supporting 'Spoons? You know it makes sense. Sometimes, British can be best for holidays.

denphone 29-07-2020 14:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045011)
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.
1. l can agree on the lack of good weather.
2. But that is the free market at work there OB.;)
3. l think you are being rather harsh there OB.
4. Plenty of decent reasonable priced accommodation if you look around and book early.
5. See answer no 2.

OLD BOY 29-07-2020 14:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36045018)
Old Boy, I don't think you're painting the country in its best light. There are so many fabulous places in the UK to enjoy. What's more cost-effective than fish and chips followed by a cheap beer at Brexit-supporting 'Spoons? You know it makes sense. Sometimes, British can be best for holidays.
Yuk, no thanks. Look at what the Spanish have to offer and compare it with the UK. I came back from Truro a couple of years ago thoroughly disappointed and bored. I wished I had stayed at home instead.

I have never had a bad experience in Spain.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045019)
1. l can agree on the lack of good weather.
2. But that is the free market at work there OB.;)
3. l think you are being rather harsh there OB.
4. Plenty of decent reasonable priced accommodation if you look around and book early.
5. See answer no 2.
I guess there's no accounting for taste, Den. :erm:

denphone 29-07-2020 14:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045020)
I guess there's no accounting for taste, Den. :erm:
l guess its in the eye of the beholder OB.;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045020)
Yuk, no thanks. Look at what the Spanish have to offer and compare it with the UK. I came back from Truro a couple of years ago thoroughly disappointed and bored. I wished I had stayed at home instead.

I have never had a bad experience in Spain.
And what have they got that we have not got apart from from the weather sometimes?.

---------- Post added at 14:35 ---------- Previous post was at 14:33 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045020)
Yuk, no thanks. Look at what the Spanish have to offer and compare it with the UK. I came back from Truro a couple of years ago thoroughly disappointed and bored. I wished I had stayed at home instead.
What was you actually expecting in Truro OB?.

Paul 29-07-2020 14:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045022)
And what have they got that we have not got apart from from the weather sometimes?.
From my POV, not much.

I like to go to the Canary Islands, mainly because I know Im going to get a week of good hot (but not too hot) weather :Sun:

I also know I'll have AirCon in my room, very few British hotels provide that.

heero_yuy 29-07-2020 14:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun: Belgium has announced new social restrictions and is facing a renewed lockdown amid a spike in coronavirus cases.

Prime Minister Sophie Wilmes has said people should again begin working from home where possible, saying she was "acting to keep the situation under control".

Infection rates across Belgium remained low throughout June and the first half of July, but have begun to rise again over the last two weeks.

Sunday saw 528 cases diagnosed, the largest rise in a single day since May 9.

The country has seen a total of 66,662 cases and 9,822 deaths since the start of the pandemic.

With a population of only 11.5million, it has seen one of the worst fatality rates per capita of any country in the world.

The new outbreak has been centred on the northern port city of Antwerp, an urban hub and Belgium's most populous city.
Maybe they took the brakes off too fast. :erm:

1andrew1 29-07-2020 14:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045022)

And what have they got that we have not got apart from from the weather sometimes?.
Faster broadband to watch all those steaming services on? :D

RichardCoulter 29-07-2020 15:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045026)
From my POV, not much.

I like to go to the Canary Islands, mainly because I know Im going to get a week of good hot (but not too hot) weather :Sun:

I also know I'll have AirCon in my room, very few British hotels provide that.
I find a week too short; you've only just got there and it's time to come back! However, two weeks is too long, so ten days is about right.

jfman 29-07-2020 16:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045011)
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.

Fat chance of that happening, unfortunately. Unless, of course, this virus forces the government to re-think.

---------- Post added at 14:03 ---------- Previous post was at 13:56 ----------



The government will not have a second national lockdown, and when we start to find hotspots cropping up all over the place, they will come to realise that local lockdowns are too disruptive and confusing.

There is only one solution, although I know you don't want to hear it.

Oh, another big outbreak in China - who would have thought it...?
Your ‘solution‘ isn’t viable. Folk aren’t going to rush off on holiday when we are diagnosing hundreds of thousands (or worse... not diagnosing them!) of cases a week.

Lockdown is inevitable without significant mitigation. Your long term shielding plan simply punishes the old and vulnerable - actually some of the same people with mortgages paid off and disposable income that we need to spend in the economy.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36045026)
From my POV, not much.

I like to go to the Canary Islands, mainly because I know Im going to get a week of good hot (but not too hot) weather :Sun:

I also know I'll have AirCon in my room, very few British hotels provide that.
Canaries every time here.

Mr K 29-07-2020 18:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36045011)
The UK is not a suitable place for Brits to holiday in because:

1. Lack of good weather.
2. High prices when compared with abroad.
3. Run down holiday towns.
4. Lack of good accommodation and facilities.
5. Expensive drinks and food.

There's not a lot we can do about the first one, but if they got 2-5 right, I might never go abroad again.
1. Less skin cancer and not everyones holiday is on a sun lounger. Rain makes our country the green and pleasant land it is.
2. Depends which country, try grocery shopping in Switzerland.
3. Yes some are run down but we have the most varied and beautiful coastline in the world. Try Northumberland, Pembrokeshire, Devon, the Scottish islands...
4. Well if you will stay in Youth Hostels...
5. Again depends which country. Try buying a beer in Sweden or a pizza in Iceland. Food is cheap here.

For a Brexiteer you don't seem to be selling our wonderful country much ! ;)

papa smurf 29-07-2020 18:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36045044)
1. Less skin cancer and not everyones holiday is on a sun lounger. Rain makes our country the green and pleasant land it is.
2. Depends which country, try grocery shopping in Switzerland.
3. Yes some are run down but we have the most varied and beautiful coastline in the world. Try Northumberland, Pembrokeshire, Devon, the Scottish islands...
4. Well if you will stay in Youth Hostels...
5. Again depends which country. Try buying a beer in Sweden or a pizza in Iceland. Food is cheap here.

For a Brexiteer you don't seem to be selling our wonderful country much ! ;)
Butlin’s is flogging cheap family holidays for four from just £67

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/travel/t...idays-22435958




30c on Friday so i'll be staying in Cleethorpes.

jfman 29-07-2020 22:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
It's unnerving to see the forum move towards consensus.... almost...,

tweetiepooh 30-07-2020 10:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
One of my big bugbears with holidaying in the UK is packing.

I love hot sunny weather and going somewhere used to that means that the environment is built to suit. Houses are designed to lose heat even without A/C, restaurants have more outside seating. Dress code is usually more relaxed. And you know you pack hot weather clothes.

Others prefer winter sports type things so go to higher altitudes in destinations winter. Buildings are designed to keep heat in, everything is setup for lots of snow/ice and so on. And you know you pack cold weather clothes.

In the UK (and other temperate climes) you don't know. Houses tend to be built to be energy efficient so pretty good at keeping heat in but not good at letting/keeping it out. We don't live high enough or have the slopes for winter sports (mostly) nor are we really setup of hot weather. Since you don't know what weather to expect you have to pack twice as much to cope with different eventualities.

(Boy has this drifted from CV19)

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nomadking 30-07-2020 10:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
It's almost as if Covid-19 no longer existed and there wasn't lockdowns or threats of lockdowns around the would.

Chris 30-07-2020 11:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
You’re a bunch of wussies. Our family hasn’t had an overseas holiday in 15 years. We’ve never worried about passports, insurance or a travel agent or an airline going bust. We’ve had sunny days and rainy days. We know what we want to do while we’re away and which activities to plan for the rainy days, and when to just go and sit on the beach. We return to the same seaside town every summer and so this year we knew how we would have to modify what we do because of Covid rules and have made better use of the facilities than most people who obviously haven’t had a U.K. based holiday in years ... we are also known by sight in many places and by name in one or two so we’ve been welcomed in even while they’re expressing reservations about the deluge of non socially distancing day trippers who have been coming down and forming dense queues outside many of the shops. And we do all of this on the west coast of Scotland, where we know a thing or two about rainy summers. Those of you with access to the southern coasts of this sceptred isle don’t know you’re born!

Damien 30-07-2020 21:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Although part of the appeal of a holiday is being immersed in a different culture. It's so odd to be outside of your normal comfort zone, cultural references, language and food. You change some of that up in the U.K and go somewhere really wild, like up North, but from Devon to Scotland there are quite a few things that are usually the same.

That said I am not so much of a beach/hot weather/resort type person anyway. Prefer cities and forests.

denphone 30-07-2020 21:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Separate households will be banned from meeting indoors from midnight tonight in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire after a rise in coronavirus cases.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...shire-12039473

papa smurf 30-07-2020 21:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36045118)
Separate households will be banned from meeting indoors from midnight tonight in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire after a rise in coronavirus cases.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...shire-12039473
They still won't take any notice,that's why we have the rise in cases.

Mr K 30-07-2020 21:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Allowing anyone to travel abroad was a mistake.

Straight from total lock down to letting folks do what they want. Arse or elbow, does the Govt. know which is which ? Or will they just blame scientists whatever ?

papa smurf 30-07-2020 21:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36045128)
Allowing anyone to travel abroad was a mistake.

Straight from total lock down to letting folks do what they want. Arse or elbow, does the Govt. know which is which ? Or will they just blame scientists whatever ?
Says the man who went to Italy:rolleyes:

Mr K 30-07-2020 22:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36045129)
Says the man who went to Italy:rolleyes:
True, but but months ago before things kicked off. The Govt said it was totally safe and I for one, believed them. Silly me.

Paul 30-07-2020 22:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
You shouldn't be intentionally meeting people from outside your household in an enclosed place - that includes pubs and restaurants and bars.
So everyone will still go to the pub, and 'unintentionally' bump into each other.


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