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Not really as Sky's movie channels were pretty popular long before Sky did their deal with Disney for their film content.

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Ok, denphone, if you don't think a third of all content is a loss, I can't really add anything further than that. Remember its Disney and Fox stuff.

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Without turning this into the linear channels thread, but its all interlinked, that AT&T deal with Sky is also up in 2020. If Sky lose that content too, that is almost certainly the end of Sky Atlantic as a viable channel.

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I have a hunch that if Disney and Fox remove their content and that's still a big if for me that you'll have to subscribe to two apps to watch Disney and Fox movies as Disney has stated their app won't have any R rated content.

I can see Disney having it's own app and the Fox movies being on an international version of Hulu.

Can't see Deadpool being on with Mary Poppins.:D

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Ifs , buts and maybes now where have l heard that before as l am still waiting for those old ifs , buts and maybes to transpire.

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Nothing is certain as yet and all these battles between the media cos will be played out all over the world with various broadcasters and pay-tv companies. Perhaps they will all get on, or perhaps not.

We don't know Disney's international plans yet, but in the States Disney has four streaming apps: Hulu, Disney, ABC and ESPN with their new super-douper streaming service coming next year bringing the total to five.

That's doesn't seem sustainable to me and I think it will be just one in the end.

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If you look again, you will see that those deals were made within the existing contractual periods.

Anyway, as you know and as I keep explaining, there is the now, and there is the future.

Remember, it was only a few years ago that you and others were saying that as Netflix was competition for Virgin, it would never get added to our STBs as an app. But look where we are now.

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Quite. I'm not sure why muppetman finds so much to disagree with on this subject! Sky's new deal with the studios is just an attempt to temporary shore up a heavy content loss.

This is just the beginning.

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Netflix is on the V6. That's already transpired.

It's only 2018, Den. Nobody has said all these predictions are going to happen tomorrow.

However, even you and muppetman must at least be starting to see the trend.

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Its a discussion forum and as such I post my views , let's be honest this is something none of us on here can fully predict.

The reasoning I give for Disney/Fox not removing all it's content from platforms over here is as follows.

The streaming service will launch by the end of 2019 if all goes to plan which you'd imagine will happen first in the United States. All the pay platforms still have Disney and Fox channels available on their platforms not only that many have their content available on their OTT services.

As an example of this Comcast Xfinity Stream has Disney Channel , FX , National Geographic
, ESPN and Fox Sports.

I'm not trying to completely discount the article I just don't buy into all Disney/Fox content being removed from pay platforms whilst the Movies clearly impact Sky every other UK platform take some form of Disney/Fox content.

It's a wait and see I guess but a question for you , if as you say all Disney/Fox content becomes only available directly through them why we not hearing more noise from the US about platforms battling to agree to keep rights to their channels.

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It's an evolving situation, I guess. How quickly Disney content is loaded on to their new website, whether it will initially include TV series and whether content on their website will be exclusive to their website are all questions for Disney to address.

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Keep saying it and you might just believe in it yourself.

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Look at your long lists of previous posts and that is exactly what you have generally predicted.

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Actually we do see a trend but its not that one OB.;)

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Well, you did read the link, did you not? Here's another to give you food for thought.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/finance/ne...100/ar-BBPlKdJ


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I have never said these changes will be happening imminently, Den. For some reason, you morph all of my statements about the future in this way. Why?

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Do enlighten us, Den! What trend do you see, and how?

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Talks are always quite difficult as one knows with the recent Virgin/UKTV and Virgin/ITV talks so nothing new there.

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You know what you said OB ;) so l don't need to repeat it.

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If you are talking about Sky Atlantic, Den, that has been explained on a number of occasions. Let's not go back there.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35965202) I wonder if Disney will remove its content from the UK Netflix like they are doing in America next year? That would dent the appeal of Netflix over Amazon, Now tv etc.

Seems like Netflix is preparing for the departure of Disney content.

https://advanced-television.com/2018...y-programming/

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Comcast is planning a streaming set-top box for cord cutters

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/8/1...ox-x1-tv-cable

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Lionsgate to Expand Starzplay on Virgin Media in U.K.

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/lio...uk-1203023832/

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I wonder if Virgin will include this service as part of the Full House package? Liberty Global has an interest in Lionsgate, doesn't it?

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Well we will know soon enough l would say.

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Netflix has been building up its kids stuff for ages. They have tons of cartoons on there.

There is no announcement yet about Disney pulling their stuff from our Netflix, so lets hope it stays like that for as long as possible.

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Malone does, yes, via a direct stake and indirect stake through Discovery.

I had thought by now that VM would've launched their own HBO type channel stuffed with Starz and Lionsgate content, but it never happened, apart from a bit of stuff on VOD.

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Because the agreements that Disney has with the various pay tv platforms are still running. When they expire, lets see what happens then.

Look, Netflix has come along and built up a platform from nothing, which now threatens the traditional Hollywood companies. Either the cos adapt,or die. They have no choice but to go down the streaming route and compete head on with Netflix, if they don't, they'll be out of business.

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Hulu Live has announced it is going global. Something else to ponder when it's time to review subscriptions when it arrives in the UK!

This is what Hulu Live has to offer. The cloud recordingvarrangements are interesting.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...-with-live-tv/

This is the news item about Hulu Live going global.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20181116...#axzz5X0mqqVek

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ITV is looking for a partner to help launch a new SVOD service, which will rely on archived material initially.

Personally, I doubt that this will be successful, and despite the doubts expressed in this report, I think a joint endeavour with the BBC and Channel 4 is much more likely to succeed. It will never be able to compete with Netflix on equal terms, however, that's just laughable!

http://www.csimagazine.com/csi/ITV-i...oadcasters.php

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An article, in today's Telegraph, about the proposed new 5 year EFL tv deal states "while Morris (Derby chairman) is an advocate of live streaming, which many analysts believe is running into problems with subscription fatigue (comments OB?) inertia and confusion among consumers"

Derby, Leeds and Villa are among the opponents of the new deal.

There is a possibility of a Premier League 2 breakaway - one wonders if this would end up with a ring fenced top 40 teams?

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As far as sports is concerned, I agree. When you consider what people are paying out for Sky Sports and BT, it's a wonder really that newcomers can get a look in when it comes to sports streaming.

This will find its own level eventually - but with so much being paid out for Premiership football, I can't see us being flooded with new subscription based sports streaming services in the future. However, existing sports broadcast channels will be 'streaming only' in the years to come. People generally will subscribe to the sport(s) they most enjoy, but if the other services are too expensive, they will leave them alone.

It should not be forgotten, however, that some streaming services will be supported by unskippable commercials, although most would offer an ad-free subscription option.

Most of the additional mainstream on demand/streaming services we will be getting in the future will be those showing particular genres of programming, such as scripted series/films, wildlife and documentaries, music, news and reality shows. General entertainment will probably be left mainly to a new streaming service provided by BBC, ITV, Channel 4 (and maybe) Channel 5; and the new Sky streaming service that will replace or emulate the Sky Q functionality. I think we will also see more social media sites developing over time.

Having said that, I think we can expect to see many more UK-based minor streaming and video on demand services popping up showing old and cheaper content. Roku demonstrates to us just how these could proliferate, although most of the content is pretty low grade stuff.

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What a terrible future you describe.

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+1 .

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Now, now. This is going to be a vibrant future of low price streaming services offering high quality content at much lower cost than we pay now!

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Pass the spliff...........:smokin:

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Ultimately, yes, but we have a journey to undertake first where sport is concerned. We have to let this play out.

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Has anyone compared say, a subscription to a range of streaming services in the USA, plus broadband subscription against a DirectTV subscritpion?

I'm just curious how the most advanced streaming market is performing for someone who maybe wanted to bundle together like for like services.

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Dream on!

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Now who told you that.;)

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And so the story book went on and on and on with no ending in sight..

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It's a brave man who ventures to predict how sport will be divided up in the future. True, we might have a different streaming service for different sports, although some would share (eg for football). But conversely, we may end up with just a small number of big players such as Sky and Amazon providing a variety of the main sporting events.

The only thing I am sure of in respect of sport is that streaming will become the norm over the coming few years, and one of the big streaming companies like Amazon, Discovery or Disney will bid for football Premiership rights in the UK.

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Maybe this is the kind of deal you will be seeing more of to bring new films to Netflix and Amazon.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...y-takes-shape/

Frankly, I don't envisage a crisis over content in the future.

EXTRACT

Viacom’s Paramount Pictures is to make movies for Netflix as part of a new deal between the pair, unveiled at the end of last week.

Speaking on Viacom’s full-year results conference call at the end of the week, Paramount boss James Gianopoulis said that the studio was “exploring new revenue streams in addition to theatrical releases as a producer of first-run films and television for other media platforms”.

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I think that’s more of a risk to the likes of Netflix in the US market than it is elsewhere. Disney, Fox et al may well want a bigger slice of their home market, but distributing their own content in other markets requires a level of investment that may be too great for the likely additional reward.

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That's exactly what I've been saying I'm not sure OB agrees.:D

I was merely trying to put my point across to OB that the world he envisages for us all wouldn't actually save us anything.

Look at HBO's deal with Sky Atlantic it would have to sell some subscriptions to make it worthwhile going alone.

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It depends how you measure it. If we exclude sport from the equation, we will be getting far better value for money because the good quality content is there. Sky provide all these broadcast channels but you have to really look hard for the good stuff, tucked away within all the reality TV and other rubbish. Whereas, go to Netflix and the choice of good stuff is brilliant - it's in your face.

So when we compare Sky (including Sky Cinema) with Netflix alone, do you really think Sky provides the same volume of good content? Of course it doesn't, and yet Netflix is cheaper.

You point to the HBO deal, but you are not taking account of wholesale deals that can be done by Sky, VM and BT to lower the price to the consumer, and including that in a package of streaming services. Some, like Hayu will be 'free' of extra charge within premium packs.

The other point to make is that if you didn't want to pay for all the streaming services available, you will get to choose which to subscribe to. As has been pointed out before, you could, for example, take Netflix for six months and then Amazon, followed by StarzPlay after another six months because you are not locked into contracts. All of these services will have trial periods and special deals, so the advertised prices will be cheaper still.

As for sports, I think the price of watching some sports such as football and boxing could continue to rise, whatever happens. However, you could get a very large operator such as Amazon coming in with the determination to buck this trend. It's difficult to judge at this stage, but I do think live streaming will be the way forward in the future, despite the current problems some people experience. Such problems as well as latency should be overcome before much longer now.

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Purely personal but I still watch far more through my Sky subscription and my current Sky sub offers me Netflix included so even better value for our household.

As for reality rubbish there is tons of that included on Netflix also.

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Indeed, we all have different preferences. I find that my viewing these days is split mainly between the big four terrestrials, Netflix, Amazon, and with some Sky channels or Now TV. It is really noticeable how the Sky channels have deteriorated and now take up so little of my viewing time comparitively.

There may be rubbish also on Netflix, but it is much easier to find the huge amount of good stuff on there. Sky is no match for Netflix, nowhere near.

Sport excluded, of course.

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I actually agree that many can miss shows across a linear guide however this is one area Sky has massively upped it's game in Content Discovery with Sky Q.

It's new series tiles , recommended because you watched etc and promotion of content has got better and better even the terrestrial shows get promoted well.

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I agree, a good innovation by Sky. Viewers do need help in finding the shows that they would actually enjoy viewing.

Trawling through the EPG and channel hopping is tedious and inefficient.

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Looks like Apple SVOD will go mainstream with a new streaming stick shortly.

https://advanced-television.com/2018...ing-tv-dongle/

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I've never used or seen Sky Q, do you know of any good youtube vids that highlight its capabilities?

I've always wanted true intelligent tv and while Netflix is a step in that direction, it still falls way short and it seems Sky's UI may be better.

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YouTube is adding free films to view on its platform, paid for by advertising.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...-free-viewing/

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Now TV will be including more SVOD options.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...-and-download/

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Netflix to adapt Roald Dahl stories.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46358822

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All The New Netflix Original TV Shows Coming In 2019.

http://www.zimbio.com/All+The+New+Ne...+2019/articles

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I like the sound of Guillermo del Toro Presents 10 After Midnight

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I am sure you will let us know which ones are up to BBC quality, Den! B;)

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You being the man who is the font of all knowledge and wisdom l will leave that to you OB.;)

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A streaming service may start where you get paid for watching it!

https://www.fastcompany.com/90216806...y-you-to-watch

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Another handy app as Freeview embrace the modern world!
https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...uk-television/

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That's a good idea for those in Freeview Lite areas.

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'British Netflix' may fail competition checks.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...tion-sky-chief

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YouTube Premium appears to have lost its way. Shame, I was wondering whether to subscribe so I could also get the music videos without advertisements. I will need to see how this plays out before parting with any subscription money!

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20181129...#axzz5YEWc3a3P

Online video giant YouTube is reportedly planning to shift from developing top-tier scripted original content for its premium service.

According to unnamed sources, the Google-owned platform is expected to scale back its original content production starting in 2020. At the same time, it will make all future originals free to all users, not just subscribers to YouTube Premium.

YouTube is still developing the second seasons of the Karate Kid reboot Cobra Kai and Impulse, and just ordered pilots for The Edge of Seventeen and Dark Cargo, so its content business isn’t going away completely; but sources told The Hollywood Reporter that the YouTube Originals team is facing "a serious budget reduction."

"Other platforms have had traction with scripted, but they don't feel like there's an opening for them," one source said.

"If you look at our originals over the last few years, our main goal was to drive subscribers to YouTube Premium," said chief business officer Robert Kyncl. "But through experimentation, we've also learned that we can make a lot of the projects work incredibly well when we make them available free to users."

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Netflix Canada to introduce highest price increase to date as competition in the North American streaming market heats up.


https://business.financialpost.com/t...petition-rises

Wonder if we'll see a price rise in the UK once Disney launch their streaming service. Things could get expensive.

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Wrong link Chad.

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Sorted 😂

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So much for those much heralded predictions that one is going to save a pretty penny with these streaming services.

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Yeah I noticed that uk streaming service TV Player now charges £9.99 per month for their full channel line up.

Not too long ago I thought a combination of tv player and now tv would be a good cheap alternative to a TV subscription service. SKY entertainment plus kids TV pack cost's £25 per month. The streaming alternative via TV Player and now tv cost's almost £22 per month:shocked:

Don't get me wrong you can get good deals on streaming if you buy annual passes.

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I think that's what most of us fear. As services become unbundled, we will have to make a choice of what subscription to have.:(

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Competition will bring cheaper viewing - not in my experience.

I have a feeling this will be the thin end of the wedge.

If OB is correct and streaming will kill traditional tv stations people will end up paying more or will have considerably less to watch - it will be their choice!

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Although you mustn't forget that prices on our pay tv packages go up as well.

It also depends on the choices you make. Certainly, if you want to subscribe to everything that's on offer in the future, you would end up paying more (although you would get even more content) but my point all along has been that we will be getting more viewing for less when things settle down. Netflix and Amazon have demonstrated the sheer amount of choice they have on offer for less than a tenner a month each compared with the choice of programmes you want to watch that are available on scheduled pay tv.

There is a limit to how much anyone can watch over the course of the year. For most people, we are talking about 2-3 hours a night in the winter months, and substantially less during summer, plus weekend viewing, which might add a couple of hours a day to that viewing total. That being the case, it would be rather extravagent to subscribe to everything, because you wouldn't have sufficient hours in the day to watch even a fraction of that.

Personally, Chad, I would not subscribe to TV Player because almost all of their channels are free via my TV aerial, although I appreciate that you may not be in a position to receive Freeview for some reason where you live. But in the future, I can see live terrestrial TV being offered by way of the internet free of charge by some operators whose funding comes from other chargeable content. The new venture from the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 (and 5?) may offer this either as a live tv option on their new site, and/or perhaps in 'on demand' format.

I am not denying that if you take everything offered that you will pay more. But if you choose carefully the services that give you what you and your family actually want to watch, you will almost certainly end up paying less for a much better choice.

The jury is out on sport at the moment and it is far too early to predict how this will pan out. However, if as I suspect, the big players start bidding for the more lucrative rights, we will see a position developing where up to three or four big players dominate, with smaller players offering less popular or niche sports. What will be interesting to see is whether companies like Amazon also start offering boxing and horse racing via their sports subscriptions.

For those on a small budget, you cannot deny that the streaming services have brought pay-tv within reach of many who could not even contemplate a subscription to Sky, Virgin or BT. For just over a fiver a month, they can now get all those Freeview channels together with Netflix. That is a very good choice of content for them.

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More proof, if any were needed, that the trend towards sports streaming is set to increase and latency issues will be top priority to resolve next year.

https://advanced-television.com/2018...ority-in-2019/

EXTRACT:

"There’s no doubt that 2019 will see even more live sports being streamed to fans, more studios launching direct-to-consumer online streaming services and continued exponential growth in video on social channels".

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Well you can read and believe what you want too but we have heard it all before from you on sports streaming and to cut a long story short its always ended in a damp squib to pardon a pun..

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Once again, as the future hasn't yet arrived, your presumptions are very premature, Den.

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The new AT&T SVOD service looks like being one to watch. It is due to launch in the autumn of 2019, but no indication is given here of whether the UK will get it by then. This is certainly a service I would want to subscribe to.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...r-three-tiers/

EXTRACT:

WarnerMedia owner AT&T has revealed that the company’s upcoming SVOD service will include three separate packages for consumers, during an analyst event held Thursday.

The service will include an entry-level movie-focused package; a premium service with original programming and blockbuster movies; and a third service that bundles content from the first two plus an extensive library of WarnerMedia and licensed content.

AT&T plans to launch the service in beta in Q4, 2019.

The new streamer will “complement WarnerMedia’s existing business; benefit its current distribution partners; expand the audience and increase engagement around its content; and provide data and analytics to inform new products and better monetise content,” according to AT&T.

WarnerMedia CEO, John Stankey said that the streamer will use HBO, Turner and Warner Bros. content to broaden its current demographic base.

“Our goal now is to open the aperture. We want to pick up more content and get more engagement on digital content,” he said.

The presentation signified more than ever that AT&T is serious about coming up top in an increasingly competitive SVOD environment, which will see Disney and Apple launch their own service in 2019.

Stankey hinted that the company will be looking to limit the amount of its own content it places on competitor platforms.

“Some incumbents in that space should expect their libraries are going to get a lot thinner,” Stankey said. “Think about what happens in the next 18 to 24 months. We’re going to see a pretty substantial structural shift that is going to occur.”

The trend is already in full swing this year, with Disney slowly taking back its content ahead of its Disney + launch in 2019. News that Netflix itself is to cancel yet another Marvel title, Daredevil, arrived today, signifying that these platforms are looking to boost their own content over competitors.

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Hang on a minute as were you not the poster OB who predicted for the last three Premier league auctions that the end was nigh for Sky and that the Premier league and other major sports rights would become the domain of the oh so mighty streaming companies.

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That is a huge exaggeration of what I said and when I said it!

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He changes his mind more than a politician.:D

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l think he has been getting tips from a well known politician.;):D

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What is it with you guys? If you go back to my posts you will see quite clearly that in terms of football premiership streaming, I said I thought Amazon or one of the other global streaming services would make a bid for this contract either the last time or for the next round in 2022. Just in case you really hadn't noticed, 2022 isn't here yet.

I have been partially correct in that Amazon did go for the least attractive, cheapest premiership offer last time around, but that can be regarded as the first toe in the water for them. Given that superfast broadband should be available in most of the country within the time frame up to 2022, there is nothing that will stop this happening, in my view.

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Netflix is going to lose a considerable amount of content as these players launch there own offering.

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Maybe so, but people like me tend only to watch the so-called 'Netflix Originals' so that won't devalue my viewing experience.

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Yes he did!

Sports streaming will be a nightmare for the consumer.

Also OB always says 'in the future' - which of course either happens or it is still to happen so he is never wrong

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Now, now, Raider, you know that's not true!

As far as the premiership rights are concerned, I have always talked about the 2018 and 2022 bids.

The linear TV opinion I first expressed in 2015, so I am sure your calculation of the forecast period will be the same as mine. Look at the posts for yourself and you will see that I am right. I would also repeat that in this last year, the BBC has stated that it is planning for the demise of its scheduled channels during the period following the next licence review, so my previous lone voice now finds itself in good company.

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Many view a mix of both so I'm sure for some it will devalue their offering.

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How do you know for sure that will happen? What if they have an agreement to show what they already are showing?

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Because Fox and Disney have already announced they will.

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Absolutely no doubt about it MM as up to now Netflix have had it nice and easy for a few years in the streaming market but their big test is yet to come.

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As one knows there is always a contradiction with OB.

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That is why it has never taken off as apart from a few smaller sporting rights the big events remain the domain of the big TV players and will do far into the future.

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He certainly has a politicians way that is for sure.;)

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You've said that for a long time Den but you still haven't provided proof. You really need to refresh your memory by looking at my old posts, because you appear to be very confused about what I have been saying consistently over a few years now.

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Give it a chance, Den, you're too quick to dismiss something, that, lets be honest, is in it's infancy!

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You know l am not one to sit on the fence MM and l have no intention of changing that as l say it as it is.:)

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Yes, as it is, not as it will be. ;)

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Actual reality rather then some far fetched fantasy l would call it.;)

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God you too never stop, you're both like a broken record! lol

It is obvious the TV landscape is changing and it has started to...... just agree to disagree and move on. ;) Especially you Den you bad boy :D

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Thank you MM for your advice :p:;) but this is a forum at the end of the day and as we know members debate and disagree on a good many issues as we all know and if it wasn't me l am pretty sure it would be someone else who would come along and disagree with other members.:)

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To be fair to Den though if we use the USA as an example whilst it's very true many have ditched their expensive cable/satellite subs they've then gone on to signup with the company they've left many times using packages that still offer live linear channels just smaller bundles.

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A couple of days now and no reply from OB.:D

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One suspects he is burning the midnight oil to work on his politicians reply MM.:D

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That could be for the sport.

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Sport , News , Entertainment , Kids there all on these services.

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And they will continue to be on these services far into the future...

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So all those reports that OB has posted links to saying that linear TV is on the way out are wrong? I actually agree with him, more and more people watch TV when it suits them, not when they are scheduled to be shown, the only live TV that I watch and probably thousands of others is sport, and in my case football, everything else is mostly on catch up.

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The point is people in the USA a place OB has mentioned before because of its cord cutting are actually cancelling cable/satellite only to signup for services such as DirecTV Now , Sling TV , Hulu Live TV , PlayStation Vue , Google TV. Basically services that still provide live linear TV delivered over your home broadband connection rather than satellite or cable.

The number of linear channels will decrease as more and more continue to watch shows via On Demand but it certainly won't die off completely plenty still watch Sport, News , Entertainment shows like I'm a Celebrity using the linear TV channels.

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I get that, but, OB's point has always been just what you said "The number of linear channels will decrease" I don't think he ever said that sport would be watched via catch up, Im pretty sure the majority will always watch sport as it happens, but linear viewing is most definitely decreasing imo.

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OB has been quoted many times as saying only the terrestrial channels will survive which personally I don't see I believe pay broadcasters such as Sky , UKTV , Fox etc will continue with linear offerings although maybe fewer than they currently have.

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OB's point was quite clearly that linear channels would go the way of the dodo which frankly is not going to happen in this world , the next world and so on and so on as yes some smaller channels will probably go but the main channels will not as MM says.

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Yes, I cannot see sport being watched by the catch-up method by most people, as live viewing is widely seen as the best way to watch sport.

To clarify my position, we are currently at the very beginning of the beginning of a major transformation that will take place. We are starting to see SD channels being taken off in favour of HD only channels on Virgin Media, and as people migrate to HD channel viewing on their big tellies, they will ignore the SD ones more and more. At the same time, on demand viewing will become more popular as it becomes the more convenient way of viewing your favourite programmes. When you want and without commercial breaks.

The smaller TV stations will start to suffer first as people watch more on demand and less scheduled TV, depriving them of much needed income. It's only a matter of time before the dominoes start to fall more rapidly, leaving only the big players. They will make the change as soon as it makes sense to them economically.

However with fewer people watching scheduled TV, there will come a point where the revenue received from advertising falls to a level where it is no longer profitable to broadcast programmes in that way. We know it would not take much to bring this about - look at the difficulties ITV was faced with just a few short years ago when advertising revenues dipped with the recession.

I have always said that this will happen in the longer term. According to my original prediction, this would be by the year 2035 or thereabouts. The BBC is planning on this situation arising between 2030 and 2038, so the Beeb now seem to be agreeing with what I said originally.

I have never said that these changes will happen immediately, and so the changes that are happening now in the US are of little consequence. I dare say that people are switching to those skinny bundles because not everything they want to see is yet available on demand, which incidentally is the big reason why I stiil subscribe to the scheduled pay TV channels.

I think it is highly likely that those who have recently taken out skinny bundles in the US, having first deserted the cable companies, are still subscribing to SVOD services at the same time. However, as companies adjust to demand, the matter will right itself and everything available on the skinny bundles will also be available on demand.

I believe (without doing the research) that the view expressed that people are going for the skinny bundles to watch sport has a grain of truth in it. People will always watch sport live, but in the future, they will watch sport by way of live streaming, which answers your question on this that you posed in your post.

There are many problems being experienced in streaming sports at present, of course - low or non-existent broadband speeds, buffering, picture break-ups, unreliability, latency, etc. However, these things will improve dramatically in the future, and by the 2030s, these problems will be well past us.

I hope this answers the recent posts on this subject.

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Not if their advertising income by this method dries up, they won't.

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Not in this world, this minute, no. I have always said we are talking about the future, not now. The BBC believes it and now Sky and Virgin Media are fully embracing OTT viewing by their pronouncements and by their actions. BT are already ahead of the game.

When you see the major changes that will come about when Sky changes its method of delivery to internet protocol, you will start to see things falling into place. Five years ago, I would have thought that Sky would be dragged kicking and screaming into this new world, but they appear to have seen the light. Satellite, as well as transmitter broadcasting, will be a thing of the past in the future, but how far into the future is difficult to tell. Transmitter broadcasting is already disappearing in Europe, so that is likely to go first. Satellite broadcasting is expensive, so don't be surprised to see Sky pushing customers hard to change over to internet viewing for their Sky fare.

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Over 100 box sets to appear on tne BBC i-Player by 12 December. That's more like it!

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/12/...o-go-live.html

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Just hope they're easier to navigate than the current boxsets.

Unlike Netflix or Amazon Prime, there seems to be no easy way to browse them that I can see, but you have to go into Episode 1 and then scroll through the whole thing to skip to further episodes.

If I'm doing it wrong, happy to be corrected!

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Pretty good OB but what is disappointing for many BBC viewers is the amount of series they made where the rights have been sold on to other companies.