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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
as a side note, i looked at the OIX website and came up on this http://www.oix.com/about/introducing/OIX.html
it gives a fair idea about the level of data thats going to be collected and how it can be used to target ads, skip the animation and look on the page re channels and the next one . scary amount of data and granularity |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
So if I've got that correct
webwise.bt.com = www.oix.net = www.oix.net (A 88.208.250.85) On my Windows/Linux box webwise.bt.com is resolving to 88.208.250.66/ 88.208.250.85/ 88.208.248.102 apparently a round robin DNS (and not responding to ping) Similarly www.oix.net 88.208.250.85/ 89.145.112.31/ 89.145.112.32 Similarly www.oix.com 88.208.250.85/ 89.145.112.31/ 89.145.112.32 But... www.webwise.bt.com is a US address (A 207.44.186.90) (and is responding to ping) Have I got that right? (nb I'm not a BT subscriber) ---------- Post added at 22:02 ---------- Previous post was at 21:59 ---------- http://www.bt.com/ -> completely blank?! |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
from a bt connection
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC>nslookup Default Server: api.home Address: 192.168.1.254 > www.oix.net Server: api.home Address: 192.168.1.254 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.oix.net Addresses: 88.208.250.85, 89.145.112.31, 89.145.112.32 > www.oix.com Server: api.home Address: 192.168.1.254 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.oix.com Addresses: 88.208.250.85, 89.145.112.31, 89.145.112.32 > www.webwise.bt.com Server: api.home Address: 192.168.1.254 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.webwise.bt.com Address: 207.44.186.90 |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
So (if I've got this right) a search on www.bt.co.uk for Webwise returns one result, which takes you to a broken link on a US web server where you will be able to 'opt out'.
The confusingly similar UK site (which you can't find on a BT search) may resolve to various addresses outside the BT network, and may even resolve to a machine owned by Phorm/OIX. At least when you are assigned your UID it won't be possible for Phorm to link it to your... oh God.... ---------- Post added at 22:15 ---------- Previous post was at 22:08 ---------- From www.webwise.bt.com How do I switch BT Webwise on or off?However www.bt.com/webwiseredirects to http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/index.php (ie, the US "ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc." server)So even when you think you're visiting a www.bt.com url, you're being sent to the states to opt in/out. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Found this text on an OWA page referred to on Beta BT forums today
https://mail.bt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL= The warnings on the top of the page took my fancy. LEGAL WARNING: You have accessed a computer managed by BT. You are required to have authorisation from BT before you proceed and you are strictly limited to the use set out within that authorisation. Unauthorised access to or misuse of this system is prohibited and constitutes an offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990. If you disclose any information obtained through this system without authority BT may take legal action against you. Do not open attachments on PCs that are open to use by non BT people as copies may be left behind in TEMP areas on the PC. You must take care when accessing commercially sensitive information in a public place and be aware of people viewing information 'over your shoulder'. They seem to be aware of the Computer Misuse Act 1990. It's good to know that they take it so seriously. I might just borrow the wording for my own web site. I wonder who they would get to enforce a breach of that legislation? It's so difficult nowadays to get anyone interested in computer crime. Maybe they use their local police? |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Just for completeness, with Dephormation's cunning new logging feature you see the redirects
Request Name: http://www.bt.com/webwise Request Name: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/index.php Location Change: http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/index.php |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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And when you go to the Contact Us page there, http://www.webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php they ask for your BT phone account number, as well as your email address and phone number - most of which they say is "required" - and remember this is going to a NON BT site. You really couldn't make this up - no one would believe you. The really good bit was when FASTHOSTS had a major server glitch a few weeks ago. And BT Webwise pages went down with it. Sort of gave the game away. I've sent off an email to BT again to ask about this FASTHOSTS/THEPLANETCOM stuff, to try and find out which bits of the pretty Webwise diagram are where. I doubt they will want to tell me. |
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But I thought they'd told you it was all going to be on a BT network. :scratch: It looks like its still all over the shop, and even risks putting UID/IP data in the hands of the people who said they wouldn't have access to your IP because it was all within the BT network (and Phorm consider an IP is PII*). Doesn't look ready for an imminent trial. At least, not a technical trial. And the Phorm.com domain seems to have been recently distanced from the webwise.bt.com domain (though strangely not OIX). Yuk. * paradoxically its not as personally identifiable as a unique User Identifier |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
It's good to see they've used ThePlanet.com, over on BadPhorm ilago points out that ThePlanet Internet Services, Inc. is listed as one of the top 10 phishing site host networks. http://www.phishtank.com/stats/2008/04/
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As I was trying to point out before my router blocked my message (it was being redirected through a Phorm Site outward bound!) I am at the moment using a VPN Service to avoid BT redirects! If the "Phorm" test is performed in this way; through an OIX web site, it may be possible to not use a cookie but, there will be NO way that the IP address of the Account Holder would not be known! The fact that the redirect is/was a "direct" connection to an unknown & uncontrolled foreign website, would give rise to a very strong case of not compliance with D.P.A Rules! |
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opt-in / out being done outside EU ???? |
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I'm afraid I haven't a clue about all this technical IP stuff. So I hope some other BT customers are better clued up than me. I've got that Dephormation addon but haven't a clue what all the logs mean. But I will gladly do whatever Pete tells me to and make logs available. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
It seems that BT is preparing to pimp, which begs a question. (Quite a few in fact:))
Are any BT users prepared to opt in and out in order to help the tech bods with a technical analysis? I wouldn't mind betting that frequent anti-phorm posters using BT as an ISP do not get an invite into the BT trial. They are probably identified by BT. Perhaps some lurkers might be prepared to do this? Perhaps it would be useful for the tech/legal bods to suggest what might be useful to record e.g. what site you wanted when the invitation pops up? what was the URL of the invite etc? screen shots etc. Should we build a check list? Also, people with information may prefer to PM a tech bod with it (just to worry BT!), rather than post here. Perhaps the tech bods might like to confirm who would like to receive such information? Time to get prepared for the storm. EDIT : I see portly giraffe is logged in. Perhaps you might be prepared to host a checklist for willing people who are offered the trial on inphormationdesk? |
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