Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36091410)

There is no magical return to 2019, OB. The sooner you accept that, the better.

We could be multiple variants, waves and vaccination campaigns from ever reaching a “manage Covid like flu” situation.

It’s also not “my approach” it’s the approach of almost every single Government in the world. Even Sweden.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36091556)

No, I don’t accept that, jfman. We will have to accept that the virus is out there, just the same as any other virus. We had no immunity to this one, which is why it struck us so hard, just like the so called ‘Spanish Flu’ did in 2018-21.

Once the immunisation programme is complete and the boosters designed to tackle variants are given with appropriate regularity, this virus will cease to be a major concern.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36091421)

I know. I admire Old Boy’s perpetual optimism in a way, and that being proven incorrect persistently doesn’t prevent him from pursuing his ideological wet dream of no state intervening in a public health emergency.

Perhaps given the huge amounts being paid to consultants he should offer his services and guide some fledgeling economy through the wilderness into economic growth at the expense of it’s neighbours.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091559)

How long would it take a to develop said 'booster' to work with a potential new variant? & then how long would it take said booster to be approved for use?

Unless of course you're planning to create 'boosters' for every possible permutation of the virus.

Meanwhile in the real world, a potentially more infectious and potentially more lethal variant spreads across the global population.

IMHO we will for the next five to ten years be reacting to this virus.

You're right, we do have to accomodate to the virus being out there. your approach of is one of ignorance as opposed to damage limitation.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36091560)

Well, the plan is for giving everyone a booster which will deal with the Delta variant this autumn. Were you ignorant of that fact?

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36091466)

Can anyone name any virus in the history of man that has done this? I still await a reply.

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36091566)

Yes, flu does it regularly. That's why they have to keep formulating new vaccines (and they still aren't very effective)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36091560)

I pointed out that lockdowns should be avoided because they only delayed the progression of the virus. Australia and New Zealand are finally having to admit that lockdowns on their own do exactly that

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36091572)

Then you should be able to post a peer reviewed link to any study that says so..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36091556)

No, I don’t accept that, jfman.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091576)

You can flippantly dismiss OB, as many on here do. But he has been consistent on this point throughout and he has been proven correct. Lockdowns without an effective and swift vaccine program, just will leave to more lockdowns.

The pursuit of zero Covid through lockdowns as sought by Australia and NZ is a monumental folly, and the accolades the politicians initially received for their response to the pandemic will be revised.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36091578)

New Zealand and Australia can just shield the vulnerable and all will be fine.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36091560)

You know that is not correct. Sure, I pointed out that lockdowns should be avoided because they only delayed the progression of the virus. Australia and New Zealand are finally having to admit that lockdowns on their own do exactly that. What changed was the vaccine, which we did not know would ever be available for this virus. Indeed, the prospects did not look good, because scientists has been looking for an antidote to coronaviruses for a very long time without success.

As I explained to Hugh above, what changed again later on to increase the infection rate was the Kent variant. That is why Boris’s promise not to cancel Christmas had to be undone.

Variants are indeed a problem, but worldwide vaccinations and boosters should prevent that. So what will your excuse be then for continuing to hide in the cupboard under the stairs?

Don’t get me wrong, I know you’ll find one. :rolleyes:

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Well, the plan is for giving everyone a booster which will deal with the Delta variant this autumn. Were you ignorant of that fact?

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091580)

Maybe they should do just that.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36091582)

Now, if you can, why don’t you answer the question I asked about how long it would take to develop and approve new vaccines.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36091585)

No you were on about “boosters”, I assume of existing vaccines.



Where do you mention new vaccines?