Re: Brexit
 

Actually the Cooper amendment wasn’t meaningless; it would have led to primary legislation that at the very least would have delayed Brexit and would have made a No Deal outcome far less likely. It is instructive that Parliament is willing to pass non-binding amendments that lean on the government to do certain things (or refrain from doing things), but it is not prepared to take over the executive functions of government by taking over the parliamentary legislative programme and using it to direct the government to act or not to act.

Last night’s events were not meaningless. Parliament has left the government in charge of the process.

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What failures? - Trump's policies on the Economy have worked though, Tax cuts and revoking of the job killing regulations that Obama put in, so he does own it, it's booming over there. US economy growing at annual rate of 4.1%. Something President Obama said would never happen under a Trump Presidency. The US economy roared ahead in the second quarter of 2018, growing at an annual rate of 4.1%, its fastest pace in four years.

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The recent example is where Trump originally said he'd be happy to own the shutdown and not blame the Democrats. As soon as it happened by his own decision he blamed the Democrats for it.

Previously whenever the stock market went up, it was purely his doing. When it went down it was the Federal Reserve or others that were causing it.

Re: Brexit
 

Totally lol.. Out of touch by a Zillion miles ;)

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And he was probably right when he said others were causing it - The Shutdown was down to the Democrats and their pathetic political games.

Anyway, we are not going to agree on this issue and in any case, we shouldn't be over discussing Trump and his financial policies in the Brexit thread. :)

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Travelling regularly to the US for work. The vast majority of people who I speak too both whom i work with and regular people i talk to when out and about (West Coast, SF & Central, MSP) are fearful of an impending recession.

Also, the attached data quite clearly shows the current gap in market performance between Trump & Obama

Tax cuts have had little to no benefit to the ordinary citizen, and lets not get started on his ridiculous shutdown which cost the US economy several $Bn dollars

Trump should not be used an example, he owns nothing, apart from his delusional stupidity.


edit: just noticed off topic, no further post on this here

Re: Brexit
 

I'd honestly like to know what makes you think that we will absorb any financial hit better than the EU will?

Re: Brexit
 

An interesting piece here on the EU’s habit of insisting something can’t be done and won’t be done, right before it goes ahead and does it anyway:

https://order-order.com/2019/01/30/e...des-flip-flop/

Re: Brexit
 

Here's hoping...

More thoughts..

I think the challenge might be that in the example quoted, that was the EU helping/supporting a Member State - in this instance, we are trying not to be a Member State.

Why should the EU helps a country that is trying to leave to the detriment of a Member State (Ireland)?

Re: Brexit
 

Because UK leaving without a deal will be even more to the detriment of Ireland.

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Easy answer
..... Euros :)


Behind the scenes the chaps with the bean counters will know exactly what the financial impact will be .. Watch this space .. Watch them concede ... ;)

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Ding ding - Bingo. ;)

Ireland will still be a EU Member State - it is in EU's interest and Ireland's not take this pathetic "we must punish UK" for leaving us attitude.

This is also in response to mrmisoffelees.

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Valid point, however, surely the primary interest of the EU is to protect the sanctity of the EU?

If they were to weaken it potentially leads to issues inside the bloc

They are going to protect their own, and if that means punishing the UK then that's the route I suspect they will take.

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What is the non-backstop, non-customs union answer to the boarder though?

That's why I think the EU is so keen on it because it's not clear how our 'future trading relationship' would solve this problem unless that relationship is a customs union?

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How does finding another solution than the backstop endanger the sanctity of the EU?

The EU said to May/UK, stop arguing, the deal is on the table, come back to us with a consensus that will get the deal over the line.

That is precisely what we have done, we have gone back and said, we'll take the deal, we'll even pay you the £40+ Billion (with no strings)

but we can't agree to the backstop, change the backstop and you have a deal

Now, to anyone with half a brain that is position to work from, if the EU continue to say "non" over this one issue they will inevitably come under immense pressure from their own members and those members governments will be under pressure from their business/industry bodies to sort something out.

It's 1no. item

I believe in common sense, and it wold be common sense to sort this 1no issue out to ensure the deal goes through.

Once the deal goes through, May will step down in September, and a new PM can sort out the future trading relationship.

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Well that's they're going to have to work out. I'm sure there is an answer if they think hard enough.