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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35986830)

Your definition of 'good programmes' is just that - yours, others may consider these as rubbish.

Indeed you are right there.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35986817)

My arguments are backed up by clear inescapable facts which you have palpably chosen to ignore because of what you believe in.

Which facts? Quoting the past does not prove the future.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35986819)

The BBC isn’t free and has a huge taxpayer funded budget. I’d fully expect it to have better programming (in general entertainment terms) than the vast majority of pay channels.

That's why 'free' was in inverted commas. You know the point I was making.

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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. ;)

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35986821)

Oh it does but what else can you expect from someone with a anti BBC agenda.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35986824)

Additionally, ITV have a budget from advertising larger than most of the third party channels put together.

The irony being it’s from advertising. From where people sit down and watch linear TV live. A shocking proposition, truly shocking!

Yes, but they don't charge a subscription, do they?

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35986830)

Your definition of 'good programmes' is just that - yours, others may consider these as rubbish.

I don't call programmes I don't watch 'rubbish'. Only those programmes where the quality standard is painfully low.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986837)

Which facts? Quoting the past does not prove the future.

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That's why 'free' was in inverted commas. You know the point I was making.

I know the point you were making but it’s entirely invalid. The BBC is a multi-billion pound broadcaster. You don’t seriously expect the entertainment channels in a Sky/Virgin package to compete, do you? Unless you completely misunderstand the market of course.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986841)

Yes, but they don't charge a subscription, do they?[COLOR="Silver"]

Which, as you know, is entirely irrelevant. They have advertising income far in excess of the pay-tv income of everyone bar Sky and BT.

You can’t just start broadcasting and suddenly command the advertising income of ITV then get some subscription revenue as the cream on top.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35986841)

I am not anti-BBC at all. I have criticised them for their spending waste, that's all. Getting free of the licence fee will give them more scope to develop all their ideas for the future.

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Yes, but they don't charge a subscription, do they?

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I don't call programmes I don't watch 'rubbish'. Only those programmes where the quality standard is painfully low.

Again, in you opinion!

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35986789)

They cannot obtain exclusive UK rights as already stated. Doesn't matter how much they pay it isn't allowed

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35986809)

Horizon

A few points ,

The tech giants you talk about , how's YouTube Premium going for Google ? Amazon's streaming service still doesn't compete or come near to that of Netflix. How many would subscribe if it wasn't for the bundled benefits of Prime. I have Amazon Prime and we rarely watch or find much worth watching on the service and that includes the kids.

Streamers may get interested if Sports rights were available globally but under the current territory by territory basis no chance they pay north of £5 billion just for the UK rights. Facebook and Twitter have both dabbled with content but had little success.

But then lets turn the question around. Leave aside exclusive rights to the football, which I agree is unlikely in the near term, if Amazon (or whoever it might be) won one or more packages of football rights and had it as a £10 add on to their current Prime sub, wouldn't all those people who currently pay BT and Sky switch over to Amazon?

If Amazon chose to do so, it could easily outbid Sky and BT. Whether it actually does, remains to be seen, but I don't see their interest in sports going away anytime soon, do you?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35986795)

I’d be more interested if the 62% actually cancelled. By their nature bundles often aren’t customised - fully customised bundles aren’t really bundles at all.

I still haven’t seen any credible calculations of how £5bn on Premiership football rights is profitable for Amazon (or anyone else) based on current (or even hypothetical) pricing. They aren’t a charity after all.

If we take the States as an example here, Sky and VM might go back to smaller bundles to compete, or again, copy what's happening in some places in the States and offer a la carte packages where you do choose what channels you want.

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35986982)

I agree. I doubt any government would change the rules anytime soon, but that still leaves open the door for Amazon (or someone else) to bid for a higher packages next time around.

As I said, in regards to global rights for sports, Amazon would likely target something like the World cup and/or Olympics.

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But then lets turn the question around. Leave aside exclusive rights to the football, which I agree is unlikely in the near term, if Amazon (or whoever it might be) won one or more packages of football rights and had it as a £10 add on to their current Prime sub, wouldn't all those people who currently pay BT and Sky switch over to Amazon?

If Amazon chose to do so, it could easily outbid Sky and BT. Whether it actually does, remains to be seen, but I don't see their interest in sports going away anytime soon, do you?

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If we take the States as an example here, Sky and VM might go back to smaller bundles to compete, or again, copy what's happening in some places in the States and offer a la carte packages where you do choose what channels you want.

But for new subscribers to Amazon Prime there would be additional costs on top of the £10 for football.

Personally, I only subscribe to BT because it has the Premiership & European rugby - I could easily forego the football they provide, there's still plenty on sky to watch.

So no, I wouldn't switch to Prime.

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What if Amazon just offered a £10 footie sub?

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35987221)

What if Amazon just offered a £10 footie sub?

It’d need something like 12.5m individual subscribers just to cover the cost of the rights. Not taking into account VAT.

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35987221)

What if Amazon just offered a £10 footie sub?

I think it would be more likely to be the existing subscription + £10pm to make that work.

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Yes and by all accounts, it's the main Prime sub that Amazon want people to pay for, so I agree, unlikely they would just sell a footy sub on its own.

I really don't understand why Amazon even bothered having this low tier package of matches anyway, so I guess we'll have to wait for the next rights auction and see if they intend to become a serious player or not.

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It was cheap and can be used to sell Prime at Christmas.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35987285)

It was cheap and can be used to sell Prime at Christmas.

Exactly nobody else wanted them so they more than likely got a sweet deal.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35987288)

Exactly nobody else wanted them so they more than likely got a sweet deal.

It also allows the Premier League to hold the streaming bogey man over Sky/BT in the next round. It has been hugely embarrassing for the league that Sky correctly guessed no such bidders existed and won better rights for less money.