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tweetiepooh 07-03-2017 12:44
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888952)
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.
As if "they" would disclose everything.

Either they could hide it because it's their nature or so "the prez" has deniability.

passingbat 07-03-2017 12:45
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888929)

Shouldn't it be 120 days less the time (40 days or so) that they've already had to do their research when the first ban was announced? Starting from 120 days gives the impression that it will just be continually renewed.

You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them ;) I think they would probably let you in :D

Stuart 07-03-2017 13:31
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888936)
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban
The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 13:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888962)
You could always pop over to America and find a way to take a law suit out against them ;) I think they would probably let you in :D
I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.

Mick 07-03-2017 13:37
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Trump has just tweeted the folllowing:

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Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 21minutes ago

For eight years Russia "ran over" President Obama, got stronger and stronger, picked-off Crimea and added missiles. Weak! @foxandfriends
He is not wrong.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 13:57
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35888968)
The thing is, how would they profit? Obama was not allowed to stand, and if the Democrats were caught profiting from it, even if they had won, the presidency would have been tainted. They didn't win, but it's entirely possible that if they were caught, they may still be tainted, and lose the next election as well.

In short, while I don't claim either political party is innocent, and I don't believe that of any politician, I think the potential risks of wiretapping a presidential candidate outwiegh the potential benefits, both for the sitting president and his party.

On the other hand, Trump needs something to distract people from the rumours of his own campaign staff having links with a foreign power, and the various courts overturning his ban.
Good points.

Mick 07-03-2017 14:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888969)
I'm interested to see if Obama takes out a lawsuit against Trump for his evidence-free phone-tapping accusations.
I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?

1andrew1 07-03-2017 14:21
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888977)
I said above that there were reports that Obama has a history of spying on folk, even friends. So I ask again, if he happily spied on ally's, Ban Ki Moon... why not DJT ?
Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?

adzii_nufc 07-03-2017 14:39
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888980)
Obama just continued an existing Republican scheme. Are you saying that existing Republican scheme Obama inherited and continued would have involved spying on Trump then?
Yes. I'd probably agree with the idea Obama spied on Trump, I'd also agree with it being a continuation of existing ventures. I reckon Obama was probably scoped out himself by the previous POTUS. I wouldn't be that shocked to know they all spied on each other to be honest.

In fact, strangely enough, Vault 7 just appeared via Wikileaks which is detailing the incredible tools the CIA are currently using, it's both disturbing and far worse than expected.

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CIA made NSA style database with less accountability
So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 15:59
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35888984)
So the CIA are evidently doing as they please, and there's nothing saying they're actually answering to anyone, so what if Trump's right about being tapped, but wrong about who's done or doing it.
If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.

adzii_nufc 07-03-2017 16:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889004)
If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.
He'd do anything to drag his predecessor through the mud, which he's doing. Then at the same time, I also believe Obama would do it, but wouldn't be the first and would be a mere continuation of something that someone else started.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 16:24
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35889006)
He'd do anything to drag his predecessor through the mud, which he's doing.
He'd do anything to get people from focusing on the Russian question. If he smears the Democrats in the process then even better!

passingbat 07-03-2017 16:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35889004)
If Trump believed that to be true then he would be prioritising it. He's not.

Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you... :shocked::)

adzii_nufc 07-03-2017 16:27
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889010)
Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you... :shocked::)
He's not :D But the CIA are :cool:

An organization with that history that's still doing things unethical to people to this very day continues to exist. Land of the free, except your webcams, cars, smartphones, computers, tablets, anything running windows, android, iOS, linux and anything in between. Oh and your Smart TV's.. In fact, All your base are belong to us. They could be watching Kim Jong Un scoff a waffle down but they're busy making sure you don't get the right colour in candy crush.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 16:33
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35889010)
Umm... you seem very sure... you're not hacking anywhere you shouldn't are you... :shocked::)
Lol. :) I doubt he'd do anything like that without sharing his words of wisdom via Twitter first ;)


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