Originally Posted by rhyds (Post 35861006)

Its pretty obvious he's still thinking in 1980s terms, especially in education.

He promised an "arts pupil premium for every child in England and Wales".

Problem is, education in Wales is the responsibility of the Welsh Government, not the Westminster one, and I'd imagine Welsh Labour have other stuff to spend the money on...

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35860977)

I think some of that speech will resonate with people though. The idea that we should actually be taking advantage of low borrowing rates to invest in the country isn't a new idea or an especially left-wing idea, it's what America did in the aftermath of 2008, and hopefully the Government is now planning to move away from the strict austerity program.

Home building too is badly needed, I don't understand why successive governments have failed on this. Just let councils pay for it and contract out the work to current developers. It's hardly a risky investment is it? You'll make a profit on selling them or they can use them as social housing rather than paying landlords via housing benefit.

Hopefully May steals some of these 'ideas'.

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We should be very cautious. Our electoral system means that he is the most likely Prime Minister if the Tories don't win the next election, he is the defacto alternative choice. It's very unlikely of course, especially when the Tories hit him with all his foreign policy views which will scare most voters, but then so was Trump getting anywhere near the White House and now that's quite possible.

All it takes is people being even more anti-establishment, maybe a recession, and people may suddenly look to Corbyn. One thing he has going for him is people don't think of him as a member of the political elite as it where. People won't like his pro-Russian, anti-Western, foreign policy but Trump is rather pro-Russian and anti-Western and that hasn't harmed him. Trump has made gaffs, seems incompetent and again he is doing fine.

A sudden change and Corbyn as PM might be very real.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35861018)

We've been here before electorally and no matter how tough times are, nothing that Labour can say or do will, IMHO, sufficiently inspire the masses to vote for Corbyn. As leader of the second biggest party in parliament of course he's the next most likely non-Conservative PM but the Tories would have to become a complete joke in order for Labour (under Corbyn) to be elected. The Tories have been less than popular since 2010 and times have been very tough but people still chose them ahead of Labour under Brown or Miliband and that was with an electoral situation structurally more favourable to Labour. Corbyn's just told everyone how relaxed he is about migration numbers and that isn't going to help his cause no matter what else he does.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35861039)

I agree but I still think recent events have shown us not to underestimate the anger that is out there and the appeal of anti-establishment candidates no matter how much they may seem unable to do the job. Trump in America, Le Pen in France, Syriza in Greece.

I still think it's unlikely but I wouldn't assume it's not a real possibility. Say there is a recession and increasing public anger and suddenly things can change. Especially if the argument that austerity didn't work for 8 years and instead prevented growth takes hold.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35860934)

and some great pledges


the pledges:

Full employment
A secure homes guarantee
Security at work
A strong public NHS and social care
A National Education service for all
Action on Climate Change
Public ownership and control of our services
A cut in inequality of income and wealth
Action to secure an equal society
Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35861078)

You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.:(

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35861078)

You seem to have omitted the open door immigration pledge. No restrictions whatsoever. Another vote winner.:(

Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35861086)

Or paying for the multi-billion Trident replacement program but promising never to use it - great advert for a economically responsible party.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35861103)

:tu: It's good that we're regularly reminded of the sort of deluded nonsense this guy is capable of.

Potential PM??? :nutter:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35860946)

Have those pledges been chiselled into a monolithic stone yet? :D

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35861109)

Beginning to think you're not a fan :D

The Torygraph seems obsessed with either Corbyn (or the communist BBC). Don't know why they're so paranoid if he has no chance of being elected

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35861124)

They are obsessed with him because of this kind of thing:
Jeremy Corbyn promises socialism, the poisonous dogma that has killed millions of innocents


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This is the kind of future that Corbyn and his fellow brain donors would ensure us:
Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell
:(

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35861109)

Beginning to think you're not a fan :D

The Torygraph seems obsessed with either Corbyn (or the communist BBC). Don't know why they're so paranoid if he has no chance of being elected

Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35861192)

So you are happy with this sort of thing are you?

In so doing, he has made Labour a haven for people of odious dogma and bigotry. The Liverpool conference saw activists from his Momentum group openly selling pamphlets mocking disabled British soldiers and questioning the need to commemorate Jewish victims of the Holocaust.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...a-that-has-ki/