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mersey70 04-11-2010 19:49
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35117736)
http://www.sky.com/shop/boxes/1TB


And there's no monthly charge to use the recording side , Virgin would be crazy to have a monthly charge for TiVo , I can understand the upfront cost for the hardware.
I assume you mean no charge for recording features on XL as VM already charge £5 a month for non XL customers.

I thought the Tivo model was to charge a monthly fee, cable companies in the US like Comcast charge extra for it. As Tivo are not manufacturing the kit I assumed a monthly sub was a given although I guess they also make money from licensing the software.

muppetman11 04-11-2010 19:52
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35117778)
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=615 <-- PVR HDD

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=733 <-- desktop hdd

there is a difference and the pvr ones are more costly because there are designed to last longer ie not being affected by tempruate like normal hard disj. you wont notice the differnec eif you open the v+ or skyhd box up they look the same to normal hdd but the itnernals are different

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the last tiem i spoek to my source they suggest nov/dec with hopes for to launch when itv3/4 laucnh on sky i am hoping it is means i cna watch rangers man utd in hd :D
The general thing I'm hearing is all channels launching together . ITV 3 & 4 HD launch on the 15th November so hopefully we could get them then. Are there still test channels up ? Mersey 70 usually knows if there are test channels on.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35117784)
I assume you mean no charge for recording features on XL as VM already charge £5 a month for non XL customers.

I thought the Tivo model was to charge a monthly fee, cable companies in the US like Comcast charge extra for it. As Tivo are not manufacturing the kit I assumed a monthly sub was a given although I guess they also make money from licensing the software.
Yes meant PVR functions are free on Sky HD box so long as you take at least 1 Sky mix.

mersey70 04-11-2010 19:58
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35117785)
The general thing I'm hearing is all channels launching together . ITV 3 & 4 HD launch on the 15th November so hopefully we could get them then. Are there still test channels up ? Mersey 70 usually knows if there are test channels on.
There is nothing testing that would indicate any new channel launches right now.

Please note my Samsung TV has a cable tuner built in, I don't have or approve of dodgy equipment!

TheDon 04-11-2010 20:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35117778)
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=615 <-- PVR HDD

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=733 <-- desktop hdd

there is a difference and the pvr ones are more costly because there are designed to last longer ie not being affected by tempruate like normal hard disj. you wont notice the differnec eif you open the v+ or skyhd box up they look the same to normal hdd but the itnernals are different[COLOR="Silver"]
Once again, the hard drives in the V+ are Western digital caviar greens, they are consumer level drives. The exact same model numbers you can buy from any etailer.

Felim_Doyle 04-11-2010 20:02
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35116794)
If the missing Zee Channels is added to Ex-Telewest next month.

All the Ex-ntl/C&W viewer are missing will be RTE Radio and WRN Radio - If I wanted to hear an Radio Channel I buy an Radio.
I made enquiries recently about RTÉ International TV coming to Virgin Media and this was the response from RTÉ:-

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTÉ
The reality is that the downturn in the economy has also reduced RTÉ revenue, and as things stand now, there are no plans to introduce an international television service on cable in the UK at this time. However, RTÉ provides the RTÉ player international service, which is in addition to most of our RTÉ News and Current Affairs programming being available to view online.
Links:-

RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster
RTÉ Player: Catch up with your favourite TV programmes online

Media Boy UK 04-11-2010 20:05
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35117794)
There is nothing testing that would indicate any new channel launches right now.

Please note my Samsung TV has a cable tuner built in, I don't have or approve of dodgy equipment!
If the ITV HD Channel was to launch on November 15th they will be testing by now.

The latest I have is talks are still ''Ongoing'' with Virgin and ITV.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle (Post 35117797)
I made enquiries recently about RTÉ International TV coming to Virgin Media and this was the response from RTÉ:-

Links:-

RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster
RTÉ Player: Catch up with your favourite TV programmes online
The RTE TV channel only broadcast on Cable in Ireland.

But the RTE Radio 1 broadcast in old Telewest areas of Virgin Media.

kgollop 04-11-2010 20:06
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35117778)
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=615 <-- PVR HDD

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=733 <-- desktop hdd

there is a difference and the pvr ones are more costly because there are designed to last longer ie not being affected by tempruate like normal hard disj. you wont notice the differnec eif you open the v+ or skyhd box up they look the same to normal hdd but the itnernals are different[COLOR="Silver"]
1Tb version of the "PVR" HDD drive here for £51:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/179332...edium=products

So if you were a company buying this in bulk it would cost even less. Of course if you had the free base version of Sky+ HD you could also buy one of these and install it yourself. Sorry for the off topic post!

Felim_Doyle 04-11-2010 20:55
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35117742)
PVR hard disk cost far more there specialy designed for PVR so aint as likely to fail as quickly you standard HDD oyu get at 30 quid will fail if used day in day out within 18-24 motnbhs the vr one are meant ot last 4-5 years
My PCs are on all of the time and I expect the drives to last a lot more than 24 months. Some of my older hardware has drives that are at least 12 years old and still working fine!

At the millennium, one of my major clients chose to power down all of its servers and reboot after midnight. My other clients chose to leave their servers running. After the reboot, a number of drives (only about six, as I recall, out of hundreds in multiple RAID arrays) failed because the heads stuck to the landing zone on the platters due to the build-up of grime forced onto the LZ by centrifugal force over many years of running. These would have mostly been top spec. SCSI drives in Sun servers and high end IDE drives in HP or Compaq machines not low end consumer drives in desktop PCs.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35117798)
The RTE TV channel only broadcast on Cable in Ireland.

But the RTE Radio 1 broadcast in old Telewest areas of Virgin Media.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35116602)
=== Unknown dates ===
-Channel 4's ''4oD'' will offer HD content.
-Pop Girl.
-RTE International.
-Squirt FM.
-Virgin Media will introduce an enhanced TV interface
I was referring specifically to "RTÉ International" the proposed television channel which has been "Coming soon ..." to cable, DTT and satellite viewers in the UK for years.

Links:-

RTÉ International
RTÉ International: It’s coming sooner than we think

Andrewcrawford23 04-11-2010 21:31
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Felim_Doyle (Post 35117817)
My PCs are on all of the time and I expect the drives to last a lot more than 24 months. Some of my older hardware has drives that are at least 12 years old and still working fine!

At the millennium, one of my major clients chose to power down all of its servers and reboot after midnight. My other clients chose to leave their servers running. After the reboot, a number of drives (only about six, as I recall, out of hundreds in multiple RAID arrays) failed because the heads stuck to the landing zone on the platters due to the build-up of grime forced onto the LZ by centrifugal force over many years of running. These would have mostly been top spec. SCSI drives in Sun servers and high end IDE drives in HP or Compaq machines not low end consumer drives in desktop PCs.

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I was referring specifically to "RTÉ International" the proposed television channel which has been "Coming soon ..." to cable, DTT and satellite viewers in the UK for years.

Links:-

RTÉ International
RTÉ International: It’s coming sooner than we think
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there abig difference in the old hard disk and the new ones and it down the platter and how they rea and write, dnt forgot back then you are probally talk ide33 or ide 100 now oyoua re talkign sata 3000 tehre a vast differnece int eh speed and or factors new drives fail within 2 years you can get them lastign 5 years or 3 monhts but genreally it 2 years that wh comanies use raid and they dnt byuy the disk at the same tiem they stagger them so it mostly only one will fail if you are really paranoid you go with RAID60

but the drives are different and if you tkae it back to when they where out the PVR drive was dearer same now but not by much as the above user pointed out but we dnt knwo the hard disk geting used

J.C 04-11-2010 23:38
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23 (Post 35117852)
#

there abig difference in the old hard disk and the new ones and it down the platter and how they rea and write, dnt forgot back then you are probally talk ide33 or ide 100 now oyoua re talkign sata 3000 tehre a vast differnece int eh speed and or factors new drives fail within 2 years you can get them lastign 5 years or 3 monhts but genreally it 2 years that wh comanies use raid and they dnt byuy the disk at the same tiem they stagger them so it mostly only one will fail if you are really paranoid you go with RAID60

but the drives are different and if you tkae it back to when they where out the PVR drive was dearer same now but not by much as the above user pointed out but we dnt knwo the hard disk geting used
I'm sorry Andrew but that is complete nonsense. Nearly all new hard drives that i know of come with at least a 3 year warrenty and many come with 5 years now. Whilst I agree that hard drives errors do seem to be more frequent these days it just wouldn't make any business sense to produce drives that lasted on average 2 years and bunle them with 3 year warrenties.

I would guess that Virgin will be using either WD Green Cavier or consumer Seagate drives in the PVR's, both resonable drives and fully capable.

The "PVR" drives you talk of are more than likely enterprise drives which whilst they are good, most businesses we deal with would not see it as cost effective to use them. It would terefore make no sense for Virgin to be using them.

Aside from that I'm very excited about the Tivo box, I just hope Virgin get it right, Tivo and 100mbit internet would be an ideal christmas present.....

mattboothers 05-11-2010 00:18
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.C (Post 35117921)
I'm sorry Andrew but that is complete nonsense. Nearly all new hard drives that i know of come with at least a 3 year warrenty and many come with 5 years now. Whilst I agree that hard drives errors do seem to be more frequent these days it just wouldn't make any business sense to produce drives that lasted on average 2 years and bunle them with 3 year warrenties.

I would guess that Virgin will be using either WD Green Cavier or consumer Seagate drives in the PVR's, both resonable drives and fully capable.

The "PVR" drives you talk of are more than likely enterprise drives which whilst they are good, most businesses we deal with would not see it as cost effective to use them. It would terefore make no sense for Virgin to be using them.

Aside from that I'm very excited about the Tivo box, I just hope Virgin get it right, Tivo and 100mbit internet would be an ideal christmas present.....
Great first post :welcome:

Andrewcrawford23 05-11-2010 00:35
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.C (Post 35117921)
I'm sorry Andrew but that is complete nonsense. Nearly all new hard drives that i know of come with at least a 3 year warrenty and many come with 5 years now. Whilst I agree that hard drives errors do seem to be more frequent these days it just wouldn't make any business sense to produce drives that lasted on average 2 years and bunle them with 3 year warrenties.

I would guess that Virgin will be using either WD Green Cavier or consumer Seagate drives in the PVR's, both resonable drives and fully capable.

The "PVR" drives you talk of are more than likely enterprise drives which whilst they are good, most businesses we deal with would not see it as cost effective to use them. It would terefore make no sense for Virgin to be using them.

Aside from that I'm very excited about the Tivo box, I just hope Virgin get it right, Tivo and 100mbit internet would be an ideal christmas present.....
I suggest you do some bench tests then. a hard disk running at 90%+ capicty even goign into 100%+ capictuy for 2 years the platters will be damged. if you use thing to cool the hard disk you keep it goign longer.

oh.... and the 3 year warrent it says operating at a certain tempurate and only operational % of the day.

edit: i aitn discussing this again this is way off topic if you want to discuss pm me

JMcB 05-11-2010 10:00
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
So Whats coming Soon Then?LOL

Moonblade 05-11-2010 10:44
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMcB (Post 35118010)
So Whats coming Soon Then?LOL
More arguments about hard drives...:angel:

John Logie Baird 05-11-2010 11:42
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
November PDF guide

http://www.virginmedia.com/customers...nnel-guide.pdf


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