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The refunds were given out to customers who were offered a "special customer" discount for getting Tivo early. Then the price was dropped below the "special discount" price.

So VM quite rightly refunded customers who had took the offer believing it would save them money for going for Tivo early as it it actually turned out it had cost them more.

Anyone who has a Tivo at the current price was not offered any special deal just offered the product at a set price. So there will be no need to refund them. Just like 3 months ago a Sky 1TB box was £249 and its not possible to get it for £49. ITS JUST LIFE.

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Yes a interesting read Devil but l am afraid l am not a lover of The Apprentice though.

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i haven't received my £50 refund was told i wont get it until September is this right.

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When was your 1TB TiVo installed?

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just checked on my calendar it was 21ST April.

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Also says he is moving house. Could that be the reason there is no charge. See the post .This has been offered as the reason there.

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From the 10th August the V Festival App launches?

Taken from the electric magazine.

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Thanks Devil for that.

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TIVO Multiroom active on Premiere , should work the same on VM

http://www.slashgear.com/tivo-premie...ming-29162119/

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Very interesting MM.

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Yes it is very interesting but we will will need to wait for the code drop for the boxes that are compatible with the TiVo software. Unless you have the boxes all ready. Just look at the new UK5 software been rolled out on the other boxes? Will be nice when it arrives but I for one can not see it been soon:(

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No nothing ever happens soon with Virgin.

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No you have to wait a bit for Virgin (or is that another thread:erm:):D:D:D

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We waited years for the MultiTV function to appear on the TVDrive/V+ when it was promised "late 2006". How can we see this to be coming anytime soon?

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I imagine big face and the gang taking over put stop to anything in the works.

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Who promised that? :shocked: Or is it just another of those internet myths?

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From the recent earnings call:

SOURCE

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But Neil Berkett says a lot and we are still waiting for quite a bit of it.

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He also has a lot to think about as well as it it just not the TV side that he just deals with? So he may forget a bit of what he has said?

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In an earnings call?

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Yes l always look at the earnings call but we are still waiting for a lot of it as its all very vague.

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Yes he was asking for money, That is what a earnings call is for isn't it:erm:

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Yes what I mean is he has to be careful what he says in an earnings call, he's talking to investors.

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No, it was in the instruction manual, that I have two copies of (was given one on installation and then sent one in the post as well). It said "MultiTV - Coming late 2006" or something to that effect. There was a light on the box that said "MultiTV" (under the "DelayTV" and "LiveTV" lights) but obviously was never used. There was also a webpage but of course that's harder to get, as it would have disappeared from the servers a while ago.

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Found this doing a quick search multi tv on tvdrive

Includes a link to a demo video.

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I've had a poke about on www.archive.org. It has plenty of Telewest pages cached such as http://web.archive.org/web/200604280...rive/faqs.html. But the only reference I can find on the subject is where the PDF user guide is describing the lights. It says
"MultiTV: Multiple TVDrives connected (not available at launch)"


Yes, but that's a Scientific-Atlanta document. Their multiroom design was totally unsuitable for VM because (a) it worked over coax through the aerial output (difficult to install), (b) doesn't support HD, and (c) required SA boxes at the receiving end. So I'm amazed if Telewest really thought it would be viable.

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Yes, I did realise that - I should have probably have said it might have been a 'standard' manual so got left in and gives the wrong impression about what's available or coming. But the "MultiTV - Coming late 2006" leaflet seems to disagree with that?

As you say seems to be too many options to make it viable.

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However, I can find no evidence that that leaflet existed. If it did, you would think someone would mention it at the time either here or on DS, but there's nothing.

Also you'd think someone would pipe up in this thread. Especially note post #6. I don't know who swissle is, but they were clearly aware of the issues back then.

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Not to disbelieve him but I guess unless VirginMediaPhil can give us a scan of the manual cover we can't say for sure if it's standard issue or a Telewest one (Sorry I've been mixing leaflet and manual).

Interesting and that was 4 years ago. Wonder if swissle is still around possibly using a different name - swissle.co.uk is defunct (or on the Internet Archive).

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I have a copy of the manual and it does indeed mention multitv and it not being available at launch.

regards

john.

Spider, if you want a pdf copy pm me an email address.

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Here it is. I didn't realise we could attach pdf's;)

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I can assure you that TiVo will be getting multi room. VM will be adding as many TiVo features as possible over time and making lots of improvements to the GUI.

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Thats great to hear.

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Looking at that PDF reminds me of my student days and that god awful user interface. Who thought those 9 boxes were a good idea?

But it's good to hear that multi-room will be added :)

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Yes l remember having it as one of my first set top boxes.

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Will it be full multiroom, i.e., what's recorded on each box will be available to all the others? Rather than one 'main' box, who's content will be available to the other 'non main' boxes?

The former, with my 2 boxes, will give me six recordable tuners and twice the capacity and full flexibility as to where I watch things. The latter will be much more limiting.

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I don't know how it will work, but I presume that all boxes are networked and can view recordings from other boxes, unless it is just the v hd boxes that will probably get TiVod up and obviously they can't record.

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I hope they can add something where you can just press record on an episode or film in a series guide/actor listings and it would just record that, having to go through a wishlist when your just wanting one specific episode or film is a pain.

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Are you able to expand on what you mean by lots of GUI improvements Stephen?

I love the idea of replacing my other 2 VM boxes with TiVo's and having access to a potential 9 tuners! If VM can make this happen I'll be putty in their hands! :shocked::D

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Making the SD menus HD I imagine.

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Yes you are probably right Jameseh.

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That's what I thought originally but I think Stephen may be hinting at a little more than that...... only time (or stephen) will tell. :D

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Come on Stephen please reveal it all.;)

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No that's not it. I can't really say but there are little tweaks and small changes to the guide and mini guide for a start.

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Perhaps you should work for MI5.;)

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Yes l will have a little browse later Devil but thanks.

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I am not able to talk about things due to an NDA

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Thanks Stephen, are you able to talk about a time frame for these tweaks? :)

Please ignore I was posting this at the same time as your post above.

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l know Stephen but anyway thanks for your little snippets of information.

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Couldn't agree more, it's always good to know that there's new & exciting things on the horizon. :D

VM should make TiVo multiroom similar to this:

http://youtu.be/u64EFSX4p8E

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I've been under NDAs before but this one is excruciating!! :eek:

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Patience is a virtue dear Clint.:)

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Longest one I have ever been on :(

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would you say most of us costumers are going to be very happy without giving anything away

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My longest was for Microsoft (2 years), this one has only been going for me for 2 weeks, feels longer!

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There is a quote from Berkett from the summer of 09 that pretty much says that is what they will be doing with Cable in the future. This was before Tivo was first announced.

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He also mentions it in the last earning call. ;)

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Its saddening Windows Media Center has been able to do this for years but due to the fact Sky & Telewest/NTL/VM want to sell/rent STBs, premium TV is crippled on it.

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I think you might find it's more to do with the content rights holders.

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Or the non-adoption of CableCARD that allows the content providers the decision over the DRM on their content on a per-show basis.

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Would we really want Cablecard in this country? *Really?*

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Because that would give us the ability to build our own HTPC with cable integration, the real question is.... Why wouldn't we?

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We're a bit OT, but if you've ever hung around TGB the epic fails that most people 'enjoyed' getting Cablecards issued, paired and actually working then you'll know that it's not exactly a perfect solution. And HTPC's are not the panacea that people make them out to be - speaking from experience!

In general, the locked down state of anything that has any form of conditional access gets on my nerves. I think this new 'access gateway' concept the FCC are touting sounds fantastic, but I'm not holding my breath :/

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But there is still a choice, that's the point. They can choose from a provided STB, a TiVo (using cableCARD) or a HTPC (using cableCARD).

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I've been on it a lot longer than two weeks ;)

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Is the Free Installation offer still on for Tivo with existing customers and do you get to keep V+ box that you currently have and can move it else where in your home?

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Yes some of us know that you will have been on it longer than the average person:erm:

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Yep, still free installation. I had my V+ moved for free, although have to pay £6.50 a month on that (was offered free in June, but couldn't afford the outlay till July so missed out on this). My bill arrived today and they tried to charge me £15 for "extra V box", which I don't have, but cutosmer relations sorted that by correcting it with a discount. Unfortunately they also migrated my broadband from M to L (apparently they "had" to do that, but failed to tell me) and took off my loyalty discount, but retentions have sorted that. Awaiting an amended bill!

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SKY SPORTS app now on tivo but just showing a page. It says a preview of the month ahead.

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Yes l have just noticed it Devil and also the V festival App is also there as well.

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Just to let those interested know that Tivo does not know about the special Question Time tonight that was scheduled and announced a couple of days ago.
Pathetic really.
I can understand the need to add padding as schedulers do not stick to times but a complete program not in the EPG that is billed as a major special and has been advertised for the past couple of days........

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The cancelled football match was never corrected either. The EPG still showed the match even when it was substituted with an Episode of Lewis!

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Yes it does, it depends when your box last connected for an epg update. Question time special is on mine and if you do a manual connection it will be on yours too.

Regards

John.

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Off topic i know but question time special has even appeared on my v+ box EPG which surprised me a bit.

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I didn't have to manually update mine it updated by itself, however they all connect for an epg update at different times, if its left it will correct the epg the next time its scheduled.

Regards

John.

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It's not updated on the VM TV guide app.

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That seems to be running behind it would seem just about to set my v+ to record it.

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I have to agree, I think Tribune are doing a shabby job so far.

I have logged this discrepancy with VM and Tivo and asked if Tribune are up to the job.

---------- Post added at 13:23 ---------- Previous post was at 13:22 ----------

It's updated here : http://tv.virginmedia.com/vtvapp/epg.do

BBC1 10:35.

I pointed this out to VM.

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It's not on my iPod touch selecting NW as region. It still says Me my sex and I.

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Sorry mate cross wires , I mean on the VM TV guide app not on the web browser.

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wow,,

It just gets better and better..Not only do Tivo users have poor picture quality and have to reboot the Tivo 4 times a week they now have to manually force an EPG update.

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How do you decide on which profile to login with to spout your next torrent of effluence? Is "Tivo user" going to log in next to back you up?

---------- Post added at 14:15 ---------- Previous post was at 14:14 ----------

Ah right, wonder if it's Tribune data there too?

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I don't have poor picture quality, I don't have to reboot EVER, and I'm pretty sure it updates automatically...

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You need to do 2 manual connections to get Question time updated:confused: One connection must be to see if your a rioter the second shows you are prepared to work so can see Question time:D

Regards

John.

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Do shut up.

There is nothing wrong with PQ for the majority of people.

I have never had to manually reboot or force an EPG update.

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Actually after giving this some thought it may only need one connection, it does take awhile to update the epg after a manual connection. Maybe I was impatient the first time.

regards

John.

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That did it.

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I did a manual connection and now question time has appeared. What I see is that it only appears to update every 26 hours according to the network information.

Is there any way for VM to force a connection as it does seem that the V+ is better at it than the Tivo method or is this scheduled for a future update?

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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Is there any reason why the time that TiVo goes out to VM looking for updated EPG data couldn't be reduced right down to say every 15 minutes (or even less)?

This could pretty much give us real time updates to the TiVo guide.

I'm assuming going out to look for the data doesn't slow the box down at all so VM may as well make the most of that 10mb connection.

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Bandwidth usage.
If you had every box on the network requesting the entire epg data every 15mins then it'd be a pretty major strain on the system.
That's over 100x the current load that the EPG servers have.

What would be better is if there was a major epg download every night, and then it checked more frequently for a file of changes which it could merge into the epg data.

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Yes your right, the connection downloads the data and updates the EPG in the background, thus it's not instant.

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I did force a connection today.
This morning, 10am my tivo epg was still showing the Me, my sex & I, even though tivo connected at 3.30am ish this morning, the next scheduled connection was sometime on friday, so without the manual connection my tivo would'nt have changed.

How come the connection at 3.30am didnt alter the epg?

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My scheduled update was at 7:05 this morning and I had the old data, so the change to the EPG must have happened some time after that.

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Terrible service from Tivo, this QT special was announced 2 days ago.
My V+ had it listed yesterday when I checked.

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Yeah, that's what I meant but you've put it across much better. The box would go out in search of new data bu only ever need to actually download anything when there's been a schedule change.

That's got to be possible surely?

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So would free Wi-Fi.....er, wait a minute. :erm:

Getting really sick and tired of the EPG nonsense myself now. Even some suggestions aren't recorded correctly.