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This from Tom Newton Dunn
(@tnewtondunn)

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Bad news for Cooper/Boles. I'm told around 30 Labour MPs will either abstain or vote against it, some on the frontbench. Will make the vote v tight.

BREAKING: Grieve Amendment Defeated.

Ayes: 301 Noes: 321

This is from BuzzFeed’s Alex Wickham.
(@alexwickham)

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Labour sources reckon Cooper going to lose but Spelman will pass.

Yvette Cooper's amendment defeated

Ayes: 298 Noes: 321

Reeves amendment defeated

Ayes: 290 Noes: 322

Spelman/Dromey amendment passed

Ayes: 318 Noes 310

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35981187)

This is from BuzzFeed’s Alex Wickham.
(@alexwickham)

He was right.

Brady amendment passed

Ayes: 317 Noes: 301

Can kicked for two more weeks then.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981191)

Can kicked for two more weeks then.

Oh what a shitshow this is...

[QUOTE=pip08456;35981188[B]]Yvette Cooper's amendment defeated
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Ayes: 298 Noes: 321

Reeves amendment defeated

Ayes: 290 Noes: 322

Spelman/Dromey amendment passed

Ayes: 318 Noes 310[COLOR="Silver"]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...box=1548796208

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The EU has rejected MPs’ latest demand to scrap the Irish backstop from the Brexit withdrawal agreement, just minutes after the Commons voted on the issue.

MPs backed the so-called Brady Amendment on Tuesday night by 317 votes to 301, instructing the Government to ditch the controversial clause and find “alternative” ways to prevent a hard border in Northern Ireland.

But less than ten minutes after MPs walked through the division lobbies in Westminster, a spokesperson for the European Council president said the backstop was “part of the withdrawal agreement, and the withdrawal agreement is not open for renegotiation”.

"The withdrawal agreement is and remains the best and only way to ensure an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union,” the spokesperson for president Donald Tusk said.

“The backstop is part of the Withdrawal Agreement, and the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for re-negotiation. The December European Council conclusions are very clear on this point".

The spokesperson said they welcomed and shared “the UK parliament’s ambition to avoid a no-deal scenario”, a reference to the passing of the separate Spelman amendment to rule out a no-deal in principle.

They called on the UK government to “clarify its intentions with respect to its next steps as soon as possible” and said a “reasoned request” for an extension of Article 50 would be considered.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981197)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...box=1548796208

No real surprise. So our Parliamentarians keep wasting time and come back to vote on the May deal for the third time in just over two weeks. Ironically.

Ball is in EU court really.

Spelman amendment will be ignored by the government.

The only way the Withdrawl agreement gets through is without the backstop. The EU have to come back to the table to avoid ‘no deal’

Default position if the Withdrawl Agreement is not amended is still “no deal”

Extending A50 will not change anything.

Sky News@SkyNews

"We are prepared to meet her to put forward the point of view from the Labour party of what kind of agreement we want with the EU" - Jeremy Corbyn replies to Theresa May's statement after MPs voting on #Brexit amendments.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35981200)

the biggest issue still is and always been the Ireland border issue

The EU aren’t going to do anything. We remain deluded in the belief we are actually in a negotiation, that threatening to withhold the £39bn means anything other than inviting retaliation from the largest trading bloc on the planet and that the German car industry is propped up by Brits who enjoy driving pricey status symbols but when slapped with a tariff find them too expensive.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981203)

No deal then.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35981204)

No deal then.

Which we are ill prepared for. (Circular argument not required - I know many will disagree).

We should have spent two and a half years preparing for no deal. At this rate we don’t be even have two and a half months.

It does seem like no deal. Tbh I didn't think May would go back and ask to reopen the withdrawal agreement she agreed. I can see the EU allowing some fudge but in the end I don't see them conceding the Irish border question, it doesn't seem there is actually time for it.

The pundit reaction seems to be that this is a stalling tactic to allow another two weeks.