Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

Yet earlier in the thread you implied that my post about this was disingenuous (with regards to British pensioners who had retired to Spain). It really does appear to be the case that you enjoy arguing an opposing view just for the sake of it.

Continuously ....

jfman

29-01-2019 15:23

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35981134)

l never said we was..

I was only joking - it’s a line used about the false belief there’s an amount of health tourism to the UK by EU nationals.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35981140)

If it wasn’t obvious I was being sarcastic.

nomadking

29-01-2019 15:53

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981146)

I was only joking - it’s a line used about the false belief there’s an amount of health tourism to the UK by EU nationals.

1) Seeing as it is FACT that there's a large amount of non-EU health tourism, doesn't seem unreasonable to suppose there might be some that is EU based.

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A LEADING cancer specialist believes one in every 20 patients he treated as a consultant at London’s Royal Marsden Hospital was a health tourist.
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One estimate shows only about 16 per cent of charges due from overseas visitors are ever recovered.

2) The NHS isn't that bothered about recovering costs from the EU or anywhere else for that matter.

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But all this debate has certainly focused on just how ineffective the NHS is at reclaiming costs and so the extra visa levy and new tweaks to the rules are all designed to try and encourage better efforts to recover money spent on foreigners

3) The newer rules for ex-pats appear to have only come in a little over a year ago(Oct 2017).

EU report on Health tourism

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For international tourism, the EU28 is still by far the most visited region in the world, with
40% of all global international arrivals.

The proportions of EU residents travelling to another EU country for treatment.

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International departure shares range from below 12% in Romania, Spain, Portugal and France, to above
60% in Belgium and Malta, and 95% in Luxembourg.

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The UK, Italy, Germany, Belgium and Croatia were the most frequently involved
countries in the case studies we identified for health tourism.

BenMcr

29-01-2019 15:58

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35981141)

NHS guidance.

I believe that's because you can't now get the S1 cover that those already in retired in the EU have, and is referred to in the Guardian article:

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Early retirees
You can no longer apply for a residual S1 (formerly residual E106), which previously provided temporary healthcare to early retirees moving to other EEA countries.

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What if I already have a residual S1?
If you already have a residual S1, this will not affect you – it will continue to be valid until its original expiry date.

ianch99

29-01-2019 16:26

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35981141)

NHS guidance.

I think the point is that some of those who cannot afford to pay for local healthcare abroad would return, the UK would then become their residence and so the NHS would then be available for their needs.

Hugh	29-01-2019 16:37

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35981154)

And I know quite a few retirees (ex-colleagues of my wife) who live in Spain, but come back to the UK every 6-12 months for dentists and doctors (they give their children’s address as their U.K. residential address, and don’t mention that they live in Spain).

TheDaddy

29-01-2019 17:04

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981123)

Switzerland is in Schengen, largely accepts freedom of movement and has had trading agreements with the European project in one form or other since the 70s.

Romania was surrounded by non-EU states until 2004, joining the EU itself in 2007. It’s trading arrangements aren’t really comparable with ours I’d suspect.

And yet look at the Swiss border, especially at the weekend when they close it to lorries to go home, this is the country held up as how easy it'll be for us post brexit when the none of the people saying it and taking a salary have even bothered to speak to a lorry driver that drives there and yes I suspect Roumanias arrangements requirements werent comparable with ours, I'd imagine they were a lot less complicated and easy to service but then I can't be sure because I wasn't smart enough to actuly ask a Romanian what it was like either

Damien

29-01-2019 18:04

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35981156)

The problem is that Brexiters on TV assume the same border arrangements exist for lorries as they do for everyone else I think. I saw one of them cite the Swiss border would be easy but they were talking about driving though it as a visitor, goods have a special line IIRC. I dunno, no expert on Swiss customs checks :D

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981155)

Another tan Mr Jones?

Sí, Sí

Their dermatologist must be getting their suspicions though.

Mick	29-01-2019 19:01

Re: Brexit

BREAKING: Bad news for Cooper/Boles Amendment that calls on Government to extend Article 50. Around 30 Labour MPs will either abstain or vote against it, some on the frontbench. A source close to Sun Political Editor, Tom Newton-Dunn tells him this evening.

RichardCoulter

29-01-2019 19:51

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35981146)

Nonsense, you even provided links from the net to try and rubbish what I was saying. I said that (unless exempt) pensioners have to pay into the Spanish system for healthcare. You replied that I was being disingenuous because most would be exempt because they were in receipt of a British retirement pension.

...but that pertains to the existing agreements before Brexit.

jfman

29-01-2019 19:59

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35981177)

I was being sarcastic in my post today.

My posts challenging your points remain valid. You were talking rubbish.