Cable Forum - Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

IP address ranges of ISPs that have direct or indirect association with Phorm are here. Important to understand when you block users, that you exercise your right to refuse access because you believe their ISP may be using Phorm, not that you think the visitor is opted in to Phorm.

With respect to the hostnames, this image (code available here) might be interesting;

http://www.dephormation.org.uk:8080/...est/images.php

PS, there are loads of other ideas published on the site... Javascript tripwire is an easy one.

popper

20-05-2008 23:37

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34556588)

Just seen the BT ad on the box. Looks like the bloke's about to cheat on his missus.:shocked:

i much prefer the new Peter Jones BT Business Gremlins ad one with all those Phorm advertisers and other 3rd partys playing the part of the gremlin's let into the building by the BT/phorm executive.

Peter Jones BT Business Gremlins ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA1iQm413No

Portly_Giraffe

20-05-2008 23:44

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34556385)

so any ideas why i am bouncing around inside bt like

Here in south-west London on Virgin Media cable I get to 66.249.93.104 in just 12 hops. I think the 30 or so Wildie is seeing need an explanation even if Phorm isn't involved in any way. Maybe this is one for Dephormation?

warescouse

20-05-2008 23:47

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phormic Acid (Post 34556571)

IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ve just seen Procera NetworksÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ advert for universal end-to-end encryption!

Maybe a good link for people to visit who may want to get some understanding of the concept of deep packet inspection. The video demonstrates in an advert the latent power a potential 'abuser' (my words) has available when access is allowed by ISP's without legal warrants to outsiders (and also insiders).

Digbert

20-05-2008 23:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecar1 (Post 34556598)

just looking at the first line of my yahoo cookie from BT

Y
v=1&n=fdv4pcpalqqrg&l=6h4o2em@1j8dj4hd4j.2ec/o&p=m21vvuk013000000&iz=
MEXX5DT&r=ia&lg=en-GB&intl=ukyahoo.com/

notice the bit in red

MY POSTCODE!!!!!! (x'ed out 2 chars for privacy)

Kent says:
"The system is designed to ignore any data that might be personal such as names or long numbers
which might be telephone numbers or postcodes,"

Unfortunately he seems to be thinking about US Zip codes, he has no idea about the format of a UK postcodes.

popper

21-05-2008 00:00

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

which is strange considering he also says he grew up in the UK

BTW that long unbroken text is making the browser scroll off to the right of my screen again, can you edit it and put a carrage return in half way across please?

warescouse

21-05-2008 00:14

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34556309)

just tried to send feedback via the feedback clickly at the bottom of the ad (btw was a full ad like a tv not your still) and cos I put age under 16, they refused to take the feedback due to the age, btw lied about me age to test it, so it`s ok for them to spam the ad too a minor but can`t take feed back from one, think they need to stop now.

---------- Post added at 16:44 ---------- Previous post was at 16:34 ----------

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.249.93.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 32 ms 100 ms 99 ms api.home [192.168.1.254]
2 27 ms 23 ms 25 ms esr5.sheffield3.broadband.bt.net [217.

3 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms 217.47.73.13
4 26 ms 24 ms 25 ms 217.41.176.17
5 96 ms 207 ms 202 ms 217.41.176.66
6 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 217.41.176.78
7 25 ms 25 ms 24 ms 217.41.176.46
8 26 ms 25 ms 25 ms 217.47.19.114
9 25 ms 24 ms 26 ms core1-pos4-1.sheffield.ukcore.bt.net [
.181]
10 26 ms 31 ms 30 ms core1-pos8-0.birmingham.ukcore.bt.net
146]
11 33 ms 32 ms 32 ms core3-pos0-8-0-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net
.253]
12 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms core1-pos10-0-0.redbus.ukcore.bt.net [
254]
13 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 195.99.125.110
14 41 ms 43 ms 74 ms 72.14.232.149
15 76 ms 43 ms 42 ms 72.14.233.79
16 43 ms 50 ms 51 ms 216.239.47.229
17 43 ms 42 ms * 216.239.47.229
18 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms ug-in-f104.google.com [66.249.93.104]

Trace complete.

Does seem to be a lot going on in hops 3-8?
Suspicious?

Digbert

21-05-2008 00:20

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34556631)

Does seem to be a lot going on in hops 3-8?
Suspicious?

Not necessarily, here's tracert I did on BT 18 months ago, there always seems to be a load of hopping about on their network.

Tracing route to core2-pos1-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.225]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ag241 [192.168.1.1]
2 17 ms 28 ms 17 ms esr7.sheffield3.broadband.bt.net
[217.47.73.146]
3 19 ms 56 ms 17 ms 217.47.73.13
4 19 ms 28 ms 17 ms 217.41.176.17
5 19 ms 17 ms 20 ms 217.41.176.130
6 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms 217.41.176.34
7 18 ms 17 ms 17 ms 217.32.96.177
8 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms core2-pos4-2.sheffield.ukcore.bt.net
[217.32.171.169]
9 20 ms 20 ms 19 ms core2-pos5-0.manchester.ukcore.bt.net
[194.74.16.201]
10 25 ms 25 ms 25 ms core2-pos1-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net
[194.74.65.225]

mark777

21-05-2008 00:23

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecar1 (Post 34556598)

just looking at the first line of my yahoo cookie from BT

Y
v=1&n=fdv4pcpalqqrg&l=6h4o2em@1j8dj4hd4j.2ec/o&p=
m21vvuk013000000&iz=MEXX5DT&r=ia&lg=en-GB&intl=uk
yahoo.com/

notice the bit in red

MY POSTCODE!!!!!!

I remember being gobsmacked when I first put my postcode, name of my road and surname into pcguard privacy blocker. I couldn't believe how many sites were grabbing my details.

On a slightly off topic note, I've just bought one of those asus eee thingys. I like it a lot! Knowing there is a canny lot of bods posting on here, could anyone kindly point me towards some Linux Anti-virus/anti-spyware/firewall software? Ideally with a bit of a free trial so I can see if it grinds to a halt before I buy?
</end off topic>

Eventually I intend to buy 4 or 5 or 6 of them (not sure how many yet) and set up an internet advertising company and get really rich.

---------- Post added at 00:23 ---------- Previous post was at 00:21 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by popper (Post 34556627)

which is strange considering he also says he grew up in the UK

Deported or transported?

Florence

21-05-2008 00:40

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digbert (Post 34556633)

So that would be sometime 2006/2007 would it be around the time of the illegal trials?

phormwatch

21-05-2008 00:47

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34556634)

Hi. You don't really need anti-virus software for Linux, except insofar as to not be a passive carrier of Windows viruses. I wouldn't bother.

For an easy to use Firewall configurator, check out: 'Firestarter'.

You might want to install 'chkrootkit' and 'rkhunter', which are rootkit hunters. Though I've never been infected with a rootkit in six years of using Linux.

---------- Post added at 00:47 ---------- Previous post was at 00:45 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by phormwatch (Post 34556642)

vicz	21-05-2008 00:48

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34556634)

.. Knowing there is a canny lot of bods posting on here, could anyone kindly point me towards some Linux Anti-virus/anti-spyware/firewall software? Ideally with a bit of a free trial so I can see if it grinds to a halt before I buy?

...

Your Xandros linux will include IPTables, linux built in firewall, there are a variety of gui front ends available including one that comes with Xandros. ClamAV is a free and widely used linux AV, if a bit slow. Kaspersky is probably the best linux AV if you want to pay. IMHO. ;)

popper

21-05-2008 00:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

interesting, i wonder if the Uk might see some of this action ;)

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...cs-advertising
"
Watchdog canes AOL execs over advertising fraud

Bigged up revenue by a billion bucks

By Stewart Meagher: Tuesday, 20 May 2008, 11:09 AM

The SEC alleges that between 2000 and 2002 John Michael Kelly, Steven Rindner, Joseph Ripp and Mark Wovsaniker oversaw and executed fraudulent round-trip transactions in which AOL effectively funded its own advertising revenue by giving purchasers the money to buy online advertising that they did not want or need.

Online advertising revenue was a key measure by which analysts and investors evaluated the company.

The defendants made or substantially contributed to statements to investors that included the company's fraudulent financial results.

Kelly and Wovsaniker, both certified public accountants, are also charged with misleading the company's external auditor about the fraudulent transactions.
..."

phormwatch

21-05-2008 00:52

Re: BT Phorm website opt-out problem

I was just thinking of how BT is going to try and not fall foul of the RIPA act. They need permission from both the person who is browsing and the website owner to intercept communications.

They will claim that website permission is implied, even when it isn't. Put that aside for a second. They claim that a website can stop their data being pimped by sending an email to BT (or Phorm?) with the URL of their website and it will be added as a website to ignore.

My question is this: How are they going to authenticate who the senders are of the emails which they receive? Couldn't I just send an email to BT on behalf of, say, news.bbc.co.uk or any other website and demand to be opted out? How are they going to confirm my identity? If they need contact information, what if I want to be opted out, but I don't want to reveal that I am the owner of a website?

Digbert

21-05-2008 00:52

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34556640)

So that would be sometime 2006/2007 would it be around the time of the illegal trials?

No I don't think the trials were on then, looking back I remember well the period of the second illegal trials of June/July 2007 because of all the complaints of slow browsing. I moaned so much that some sidekick of Ben Verwaayen's phoned me with a load of platitudes, but with very little action. So shortly after that I decided to leave BT.

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