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Pierre

10-06-2024 11:07

Re: Trump’s Troubles

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176753)

Yeah … those MAGA claims don’t really have much impact any more though, do they. What with them being orchestrated by a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and suspected national traitor.

Rapist? I missed that one.

Defamation wasn't it?

Hugh	10-06-2024 12:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36176756)

Rapist? I missed that one.

Defamation wasn't it?

https://wapo.st/3Rm5VQp

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll

After Donald Trump was found liable for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, his legal team and his defenders lodged a frequent talking point.

Despite Carroll’s claims that Trump had raped her, they noted, the jury stopped short of saying he committed that particular offense. Instead, jurors opted for a second option: sexual abuse.

“This was a rape claim, this was a rape case all along, and the jury rejected that — made other findings,” his lawyer, Joe Tacopina, said outside the courthouse.

A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.

You also missed it the last time you questioned it, on the 17th of February…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=457

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170357)

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Originally Posted by Pierre
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Did he? Rape is a level 3 felony, guaranteed 3-16 years in prison.

If he did, beyond doubt, he’d be in prison.

He did.

There’s a statute of limitations in New York State. This was extended in 2022 to allow civil remedy, but the rape occurred too long ago for it to be dealt with now as a criminal matter.

So, yes, he did rape her, within the commonly understood definition of that term - so said the trial judge, clarifying the ruling:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ll-judge-rape/

You may of course insist on legal niceties such as the strict definition of rape vs sexual abuse, and liability rather than guilt, but then that’s exactly what Trump’s advisors and legal team has been doing in the six months since the trial concluded. Again, I suggest the problem here is less people out to get Trump, and more which bits of the internet you’ve been sucked into.

Pierre

10-06-2024 12:33

Re: Trump’s Troubles

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176760)

https://wapo.st/3Rm5VQp

You also missed it the last time you questioned it, on the 17th of February…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=457

Sorry, where's the bit where he was charged and convicted of rape?

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The verdict was split: Jurors rejected Carroll’s claim that she was raped, finding Trump responsible for a lesser degree of sexual abuse. The judgment adds to Trump’s legal woes and offers vindication to Carroll, whose allegations had been mocked and dismissed by Trump for years.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rap...d42af9ec83d7db

So the jury rejected her claim that she was raped.

But the Judge has said that their rejection of this charge, is actually them agreeing to that charge?

OK.

Chris

10-06-2024 12:48

Re: Trump’s Troubles

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36176761)

Sorry, where's the bit where he was charged and convicted of rape?

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rap...d42af9ec83d7db

So the jury rejected her claim that she was raped.

But the Judge has said that their rejection of this charge, is actually them agreeing to that charge?

OK.

Hence the phrase ‘adjudicated racist’ (edit) - that should be ‘adjudicated rapist’ - which is now commonly and accurately used in order to honour the facts which are

1. This was a civil case
2. There is a legal distinction in NY State between rape and sexual assault, the distinction being whether the assailant assaulted his victim with his penis (rape) or his finger (assault). As the victim could not swear which part of his body Trump used to violate her sexually, the jury was forced to opt for the legal verdict ‘sexual assault’.
3. The judge nevertheless confirmed post-trial that in common discussion it is absolutely appropriate to say Trump raped his victim, because the distinction in this case is a very narrow legal one with little relevance outside the courtroom.

So, remind me - as you have already challenged this, and have already had it explained to you - why you’re still coming out to bat for Trump on the basis that it’s unclear whether he sexually violated his victim with his finger or his penis?

ianch99

10-06-2024 13:16

Re: Trump’s Troubles

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176762)

Hence the phrase ‘adjudicated racist’ which is now commonly and accurately used in order to honour the facts which are

1. This was a civil case
2. There is a legal distinction in NY State between rape and sexual assault, the distinction being whether the assailant assaulted his victim with his penis (rape) or his finger (assault). As the victim could not swear which part of his body Trump used to violate her sexually, the jury was forced to opt for the legal verdict ‘sexual assault’.
3. The judge nevertheless confirmed post-trial that in common discussion it is absolutely appropriate to say Trump raped his victim, because the distinction in this case is a very narrow legal one with little relevance outside the courtroom.

So, remind me - as you have already challenged this, and have already had it explained to you - why you’re still coming out to bat for Trump on the basis that it’s unclear whether he sexually violated his victim with his finger or his penis?

I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.

Chris

10-06-2024 14:01

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36176763)

I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.

LOL … Freudian slip perhaps :D. Original now edited …

1andrew1

10-06-2024 15:03

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176765)

LOL … Freudian slip perhaps :D. Original now edited …

:D:D:D

Hugh	10-06-2024 15:44

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Verbatim, from his speech in Las Vegas yesterday, talking about electric boats and sharks...

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"I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight, and you're in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater. And there's a shark that's approximately 10 yards over there.

By the way, lot of shark attacks lately, I watched some guys justifying it today. 'Well, they weren't really that angry. They bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was"

"He said 'there's no problem with sharks, they just didn't really understand a young woman's swimming. She really got decimated and other people too, a lot of shark attacks."

"So I said, there's a shark 10 yards away from the boat, do I get electrocuted? If the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking, do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted? Or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted?

"Because I will tell you he didn't know the answer. He said, 'you know, nobody's ever asked me that question.' I said I think it's a good question. I think there's a lot of electric current coming to that water. But you know what I'd do? If there was a shark or you get electrocuted, I'll take electrocution every single time. I'm not getting near the shark."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-boats-1910275

Video

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412

Stephen

10-06-2024 15:53

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Wow that is certainly laughable and embarrassing.

1andrew1

10-06-2024 16:00

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36176773)

Verbatim, from his speech in Las Vegas yesterday, talking about electric boats and sharks...

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...-boats-1910275

Video
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1799894705288761412

Very sad. Hard to say he's not suffering cognitive health issues there.

Mick	10-06-2024 17:35

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36176753)

Yeah … those MAGA claims don’t really have much impact any more though, do they. What with them being orchestrated by a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist and suspected national traitor.

Nothing to do with MAGA claims, all those people left in such a state matters a great deal, just that the corrupt Democrats couldn’t give a shit.

Clear to me, the Corrupt Judge from a sham trial on trumped up charges, by a weaponised Democrat Justice system, in a corrupted Democrat run New York.

Scoff all you want, his poll numbers are up in Key States against the sleepy idiot & the case could still be overturned on appeal, or even a mistrial declared, given one of the Juror’s family members revealed in a FB post that Trump will be convicted but let’s also remind you & others, George Floyd was a convicted felon & half of America worshipped him, he didn’t deserve to die, but let me put things in to perspective here, being a convicted felon can’t be all that bad, if the BLM crowd burned down city businesses for him.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36176763)

I don't disagree with this either :)

It does show how the MAGA mindset works though. Denial and Ignorance are right at the top of the rulebook.

That’s pretty much same rule book as you lefties, but you’re twice as bad at it.

Itshim

10-06-2024 17:46

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Trump or Biden what a choice! When in States I favor , Trump, outside it Biden . The two worse people I can think of.

Stephen

10-06-2024 17:49

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Sorry Mick but nothing corrupt about the recent court case or any up and coming ones.

It was a jury made up of members of the public that the prosecution and defence both had a hand in picking. They found him guilty on all counts. The justice system is there for all it's not been weaponised at all.

As for the Floyd case, his personal issues had no relevance to the fact that he was murdered by the police. No one deserves that.

1andrew1

10-06-2024 18:12

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36176789)

The jury were all lefty Democrats picked from, surprise, surprise a very strong pro-Democrat area. Trump should have been able to request the trial be held in a good old-fashioned red neck area where the jury would be more balanced. And as for the ridiculous charges - Trumped up in more than one way! They were all hastily assembled by jealous Democrats who could not inherit as wisely as Trump has done.

The fact that Trump's businesses are registered in New York is of no relevance - the courts have been weaponised and the corrupt judges and jury will pay for it once Trump wins for the third time as President. :D

ianch99

10-06-2024 18:26

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36176790)

You are not a closet Lefty by any chance? :)

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