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1andrew1 29-09-2019 12:37
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012126)
So you distinguish between an inaccurate description of 'something' with an accurate description of 'someone' and conclude that the accurate description is wrong.

What a strange world you are living in, Andrew. :no:
The main point is the difference between name-calling a thing and name-calling a human being. That is hugely significant.

jfman 29-09-2019 12:40
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012126)
So you distinguish between an inaccurate description of 'something' with an accurate description of 'someone' and conclude that the accurate description is wrong.

What a strange world you are living in, Andrew. :no:

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It was not the poll tax, it was the Community Charge, and then the council tax.

You say that no stunt has been pulled. Are you in denial that this is what is being planned?

Why would Boris ask for an extension when he has pledged to leave by 31 October? You're not really joining up the dots here, jfman.
It’s a tax. Every day of the week - hence the new name.

No stunt has been pulled. What might happen next isn’t clear.

So Boris isn’t that bothered about losing the VONC, Corbyn and forcing a general election? It’s your joining the dots that’s the problem here. Boris wants an election, the circumstances and if someone else asks for an extension to Brexit is an irrelevance.

If you deny the above it’s confirmation that you’re just a troll.

1andrew1 29-09-2019 12:45
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012126)
Why would Boris ask for an extension when he has pledged to leave by 31 October? You're not really joining up the dots here, jfman.
I don't even think Boris really thinks that's possible but it's in his interests for his loyal followers to continue thinking that it is.
It's his game of brinkmanship and he'll blame everyone but himself when it doesn't happen. After messing with the courts, he now knows that his privileges do not extend to ignoring the law of the United Kingdom.

If he is as popular as you believe then why not:
1) Request an extension to January 2020.
2) Call an election on a promise to leave and win that election.
3) Advise the EU that the UK is leaving.

Hugh 29-09-2019 14:12
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012113)
He might want to lose a vote of no confidence, but he wouldn't want to put Corbyn in power. They will need to be in attendance to ensure that does not happen.

Nothing preposterous about it and the point I was making was that the opposition is complaining about Boris's 'dirty tricks' and then they pull a stunt like this.
Could you clarify how him/they being in attendance when he loses a VONC would stop Corbyn being "in power", please?

Also, any VONC must be put to the Speaker at least a day before to allow it to be put in the following day’s business, so there can’t be a "surprise" VONC.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36012121)
That is entirely possible. There is nothing in the bill that says it is illegal to exit the EU by 31st Oct.
But...

There is something in the Bill which states, if he hasn’t got a deal, he must ask for an extension.

So , if he hasn’t got a deal, it will be illegal for him to exit the EU on the 31st October.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012116)
These descriptions are no worse than 'poll tax' and 'bedroom tax' used by Labour in the past. They don't like it when the boot is on the other foot and the descriptions are more apt.

No-one in their right minds wants civil unrest and certainly not the government. It is the people who are trying to undermine democracy who are making all the noise out there at the moment, so you might want to re-think.
I think you will find it’s the Leave supporters, and an unnamed Leave Cabinet Minister, that are making all the comments about riots and civil unrest - your statement is false.

Pierre 29-09-2019 14:25
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012137)
But...
Indeed but it was an incorrect statement that needed correcting.

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There is something in the Bill which states, if he hasn’t got a deal, he must ask for an extension.
Correct it requires him to ask for an extension....that is all......and that is also yet to be tested.

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So , if he hasn’t got a deal, it will be illegal for him to exit the EU on the 31st October.
sorry incorrect.

If he asks for an extension (yet to be tested ) that is all he required to do. If we leave on Oct 31st without a deal and he has fulfilled what is required of him he has done nothing illegal.

Dave42 29-09-2019 14:38
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012116)
These descriptions are no worse than 'poll tax' and 'bedroom tax' used by Labour in the past. They don't like it when the boot is on the other foot and the descriptions are more apt.

No-one in their right minds wants civil unrest and certainly not the government. It is the people who are trying to undermine democracy who are making all the noise out there at the moment, so you might want to re-think.
guess you didn't see Brendan O'Neill interview on bbc other day then that's exactly what he called for OB

1andrew1 29-09-2019 14:46
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36012142)
guess you didn't see Brendan O'Neill interview on bbc other day then that's exactly what he called for OB
Indeed - here is that shocking moment when he says he thinks there should be. Old Boy is entitled to revise his analysis if this interview has eluded him until now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9125206.html

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 15:07
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012128)
The main point is the difference between name-calling a thing and name-calling a human being. That is hugely significant.
In which case, you also need to acknowledge that there is name calling from the other side as well - Nazi, liar, etc.

If you or anyone is calling for language to be moderated, then that must be applied to both sides of the debate.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36012130)
It’s a tax. Every day of the week - hence the new name.

No stunt has been pulled. What might happen next isn’t clear.

So Boris isn’t that bothered about losing the VONC, Corbyn and forcing a general election? It’s your joining the dots that’s the problem here. Boris wants an election, the circumstances and if someone else asks for an extension to Brexit is an irrelevance.

If you deny the above it’s confirmation that you’re just a troll.
The 'bedroom tax' was not a tax. The 'poll tax' was a tax but it was not a tax on voting. Labour is good at coming up with misleading name-calling itself, but people on that side of the debate get terribly hurt and offended when a word that describes the intent of what they are doing (such as surrender, betrayal, etc).

denphone 29-09-2019 15:07
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012143)
Indeed - here is that shocking moment when he says he thinks there should be. Old Boy is entitled to revise his analysis if this interview has eluded him until now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9125206.html
Whether one believes in Brexit or not there should not be any doubt at all that anyone intent on causing civil disorder should have the book strongly thrown at then as there are no excuses for anybody who supports or participate in riots on the streets of Britain because of Brexit as there were no excuses before for any riots on the streets of Britain and there are no excuses now..

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 15:15
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012133)
I don't even think Boris really thinks that's possible but it's in his interests for his loyal followers to continue thinking that it is.
It's his game of brinkmanship and he'll blame everyone but himself when it doesn't happen. After messing with the courts, he now knows that his privileges do not extend to ignoring the law of the United Kingdom.

If he is as popular as you believe then why not:
1) Request an extension to January 2020.
2) Call an election on a promise to leave and win that election.
3) Advise the EU that the UK is leaving.
Yes, wouldn't you just like that? This would mean the PM reneging on his promise to get us out by 31 October so the opposition can call him a liar again. He won't renege, and he will get us out when he said he would. As you will see in a month's time.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36012137)
Could you clarify how him/they being in attendance when he loses a VONC would stop Corbyn being "in power", please?

Also, any VONC must be put to the Speaker at least a day before to allow it to be put in the following day’s business, so there can’t be a "surprise" VONC
It would be called on the Tuesday in an effort to prevent Boris from making his speech, which the opposition know will be very damaging to them because it will make him very popular in the country.

The reason the Conservatives need to be there is to prevent Corbyn from forming a government. By declining to give him their support. Obviously.

1andrew1 29-09-2019 15:16
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012147)
Yes, wouldn't you just like that? This would mean the PM reneging on his promise to get us out by 31 October so the opposition can call him a liar again. He won't renege, and he will get us out when he said he would. As you will see in a month's time.
You said this about 29 March and we're still in the EU.

jfman 29-09-2019 15:16
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36012144)

The 'bedroom tax' was not a tax. The 'poll tax' was a tax but it was not a tax on voting. Labour is good at coming up with misleading name-calling itself, but people on that side of the debate get terribly hurt and offended when a word that describes the intent of what they are doing (such as surrender, betrayal, etc).
I didn’t refer to the “bedroom tax”.

Nobody is surrendering or betraying anyone. It’s an out and out lie to claim they are. In fact the Labour commitment is to get a deal.

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 15:17
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36012142)
guess you didn't see Brendan O'Neill interview on bbc other day then that's exactly what he called for OB
I stand by what I said, Dave.

Dave42 29-09-2019 15:17
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012149)
You said this about 29 March and we're still in the EU.
as we will be still in on the 1st of November

OLD BOY 29-09-2019 15:18
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36012149)
You said this about 29 March and we're still in the EU.
I was quoting what Theresa May had pledged. That is all.


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