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Osem 27-03-2017 22:13
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 2 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
@ Techguyone - Labour are and will remain little more than an un-electable harmless irritant for the foreseeable future.

As for the sort of garbage MrK wallows in, well we've heard it all before and it's no more convincing now that it was then - a blind, ask no questions, admit no problems tethering to the EU in spite of all its woes. Same old, lame old...

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Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35891978)
I am more than happy to accept the alternative mr k.That's why a majority voted leave because they must be willing to accept the alternative as well.Nobody is stupid enough to think there will not be winners and losers just as it is in life..A question mr k did nobody from britain live,work,retire to europe before we joined?
Of course not, there was no life before the EU. :rofl:

pip08456 27-03-2017 22:18
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 2 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Easy answer.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891990)
The first condition looks impossible to achieve. I suspect it's there to highlight an undeliverable promise made by David Davis.
Labour seems to have belatedly have woken up to Brexit and probably views it as a great way to heap pressure on the Government when it's stretched.

Labour set to outline six conditions for support of Brexit Bill in House of Commons
  • Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as the UK currently has as a member of the single market and customs union?
    Not going to happen. Expect the EU to make an example of us to deter other member states withdrawing.
  • Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
    The UK has always expressed this wish.
  • Does it ensure the fair management of migration "in the interests of the economy and communities"?
    Even before the EU this happened, why does anyone expect anything else?
  • Does it defend rights and protections and "prevent a race to the bottom"?
    Define the bottom. Unless we know what it means how can anyone answer it?
  • Does it protect national security and the UK's capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
    See above regarding collaboration.
  • Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
    Deliver what? The EU has not been a cashcow for any regions per se. Any rebate that has been spent in the regions has always been less than the total submitted. Once payments no longer need to be made parliament can decide where any money is spent and what for.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3499601.html

passingbat 27-03-2017 23:10
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 2 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35891999)
Once payments no longer need to be made parliament can decide where any money is spent and what for..

Exactly; Taking back control.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35891990)
The first condition looks impossible to achieve. I suspect it's there to highlight an undeliverable promise made by David Davis.
Labour seems to have belatedly have woken up to Brexit and probably views it as a great way to heap pressure on the Government when it's stretched.

Labour set to outline six conditions for support of Brexit Bill in House of Commons
  • Does it deliver the "exact same benefits" as the UK currently has as a member of the single market and customs union?
  • Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
  • Does it ensure the fair management of migration "in the interests of the economy and communities"?
  • Does it defend rights and protections and "prevent a race to the bottom"?
  • Does it protect national security and the UK's capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
  • Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3499601.html

Why is anyone surprised at those demands? Labour leadership wants us to stay in the EU.

techguyone 28-03-2017 07:52
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Which is a little bit amusing as originally Labour were not for the 'Common Market' - oh how things change.

Mr K 28-03-2017 08:04
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 2 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892003)
Exactly; Taking back control.

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Why is anyone surprised at those demands? Labour leadership wants us to stay in the EU.
You could say the same of the Conservative leadership... TM and her chancellor campaigned for Remain, they're not completely daft ;) However this has given them a nice chance for power, so that's some consolation. Plus being very rich will insulate them from the worst affects of Brexit, unlike the plebs.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35892003)
Exactly; Taking back control.
We've not enough 'faceless bureaucrats' to take back control with. We've made most of the Civil Service redundant over the last 10 years.

TheDaddy 28-03-2017 08:05
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 
Got a nasty feeling pretty much everyone will end up disappointed, I think it'll be a messy little fudge where we neither end up in or out let alone shaking it all about

passingbat 28-03-2017 08:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892017)
You could say the same of the Conservative leadership... TM and her chancellor campaigned for Remain, they're not completely daft.

But they accepted the democratic result of the referendum which was to leave.


It was made perfectly clear, by both sides, that if we voted to Leave, that would also mean leaving the Single Market. Were Labour and the Lib Dem leadership not paying attention during the referendum?

1andrew1 28-03-2017 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35892017)
We've not enough 'faceless bureaucrats' to take back control with. We've made most of the Civil Service redundant over the last 10 years.
Civil servants are either criticised for being faceless bureaucrats but when they do become known they are criticised as being unelected bureaucrats who run the show!
But the essence of the FT story from a couple of days ago is that we will have to come under EU regulation for some time/indefinitely as we don't have the agencies in place to step in and they can't be set up in two years.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35892020)
Got a nasty feeling pretty much everyone will end up disappointed, I think it'll be a messy little fudge where we neither end up in or out let alone shaking it all about
I think you're right.

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Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35892016)
Which is a little bit amusing as originally Labour were not for the 'Common Market' - oh how things change.
Yes, the Conservatives got us into the EEC. The other amusing thing is that an EU referendum was a Liberal Democrat policy for many years!

Mick 28-03-2017 12:29
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: 2 DAYS FROM NOW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892039)

I think you're right.
I don't. Voting leave meant leave, not partial leave or half in half out, voting out meant exactly that for me and I do not regret it, I care little for the negative nonsense from some remainers, which includes you, so if it is a hard brexit, so be it. We need to cut ties to a corrupted, failing entity, staying in it, makes no sense whatsoever.

1andrew1 28-03-2017 12:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892044)
I don't. Voting leave meant leave, not partial leave or half in half out, voting out meant exactly that for me and I do not regret it, I care little for the negative nonsense from some remainers, which includes you, so if it is a hard brexit, so be it. We need to cut ties to a corrupted, failing entity, staying in it, makes no sense whatsoever.
I'm not saying a fudge is right or wrong, that's a different debate.
I do think The Daddy is correct in predicting that a fudge will happen. None of your posts suggests why a fudge is unlikley, it just revisits the arguments of June 2016 with a couple of potshots in there for good measure.
In support of a fudge happening, it's to do with the fact that regulatory agencies can't be set up in the timescales required. As reported in the press today, the government is now privately admitting that no deal is unacceptable and would cause havoc. These two factors suggest a fudge.

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MPs 'walk out' in protest at 'too gloomy' Brexit report
A source said Labour chairman Hilary Benn had tried to "bounce" members into accepting a 155-page report into the government's Brexit White Paper.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said the source said it was so "gloomy" it could not be allowed to stand.
Pro-Remain MP Mr Benn's office has been contacted for a response.
According to the source, there had been no consultation on the report with the rest of the committee before Mr Benn put it forward to a vote.
The Exiting the European Union Committee was appointed by the House of Commons to scrutinise the expenditure, administration and policy of the Department for Exiting the European Union.
It has a 21-strong membership, made up of MPs from all parties, including Labour, the Conservatives, the Scottish National Party, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Democratic Unionist Party.
Mr Benn was elected to lead the new select committee last October, beating Leave campaigner and fellow Labour MP Kate Hoey to the job.
The role of select committees, which interview witnesses and produce reports to check the work of different areas of government, has increased in profile in recent years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715

Mick 28-03-2017 13:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892045)
I'm not saying a fudge is right or wrong, that's a different debate.
I do think The Daddy is correct in predicting that a fudge will happen. None of your posts suggests why a fudge is unlikley, it just revisits the arguments of June 2016 with a couple of potshots in there for good measure.
In support of a fudge happening, it's to do with the fact that regulatory agencies can't be set up in the timescales required. As reported in the press today, the government is now privately admitting that no deal is unacceptable and would cause havoc. These two factors suggest a fudge.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715
You and TheDaddy and miserable doom and gloom expert, Mr K, are venomously Anti-Brexit, so you're trying to dream up all the worst things possible.

As you should know by now, unlike yourself and others, I do not follow everything said in the media and press so glibly.

Osem 28-03-2017 13:46
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My word there are some truly condescending scaremongers around. People who like to tell the rest of us we didn't really know what we were voting for, we didn't realise how tough it would be, blah, blah, blah. Truly pathetic.

Rather than accept the decision which was made, they prefer to undermine every stage of the process and in so doing damage the position of those conducting the negotiations on our behalf and to what end? A better deal for the UK or a worse outcome or the chaos they keep predicting? :rolleyes:

1andrew1 28-03-2017 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35892054)
My word there are some truly condescending scaremongers around. People who like to tell the rest of us we didn't really know what we were voting for, we didn't realise how tough it would be, blah, blah, blah. Truly pathetic.

Rather than accept the decision which was made, they prefer to undermine every stage of the process and in so doing damage the position of those conducting the negotiations on our behalf and to what end? A better deal for the UK or a worse outcome or the chaos they keep predicting? :rolleyes:
Who's said that people did not know what they were voting for? Is this a straw man argument or do you have anything to back this up?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892050)
You and TheDaddy and miserable doom and gloom expert, Mr K, are venomously Anti-Brexit, so you're trying to dream up all the worst things possible.

As you should know by now, unlike yourself and others, I do not follow everything said in the media and press so glibly.
You love us all really Mick! :D

Kursk 28-03-2017 14:04
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892056)
You love us all really Mick! :D
Confucius say 'even remoaners are good for visit stats' ;)

papa smurf 28-03-2017 14:05
Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered: TOMORROW!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35892059)
Confucius say 'even remoaners are good for visit stats' ;)
we must make the most of them before they move to their beloved EU .


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