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Mick 06-03-2017 13:10
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888815)
It was screened on NBC's Meet the Press, Mick.
What was screened ? Is there news footage directly of Comey making such a statement, I will not believe written statements that can be made up or fabricated.

At the end of the day, Trump can still tell him to open an Investigation or his AG can order one. He cannot tell the President he will not follow his orders.

1andrew1 06-03-2017 13:23
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888817)
At the end of the day, Trump can still tell him to open an Investigation or his AG can order one. He cannot tell the President he will not follow his orders.
I think the senate intelligence committee are investigating matters alongside the Russian hacking allegations. Never a dull moment for them or us!

passingbat 06-03-2017 13:31
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888800)
I think they're all feeling certain that the President won't last two years so are happily staying put.

Well, that's one interpretation ;). Empty rhetoric or diva tantrum would be mine :)

1andrew1 06-03-2017 13:32
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888816)
Interesting interview with Mark Levin who was the person who arguably brought this to the public's attention via his radio show.

He quotes public newspaper sources including the Guardian and Washington Post as sources for the two FISA applications. The first one was rejected and the second, more focussed, accepted.

I think he's right that this needs a full investigation. Until that is done, I don't think we can trust the media, Left or Right, to give us unbiased reporting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2eu-B5ZNPs
I think all that kind of stuff about FISA applications should be easy to prove one way or the other. Interesting times!

1andrew1 06-03-2017 23:07
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This piece from Andy Borowitz made me laugh. :D
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Obama said that, when he first saw Trump’s allegations on Twitter, “My first thought was, Only a narcissist on the scale of Donald Trump would think people want to hear more from him than they currently do. If anything, I think we’d all like to hear way, way less.”
He said that his wife, Michelle, agreed that the idea of his wanting to hear more from Donald Trump “was one of the funniest things she’s ever heard.”
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...cid=mod-latest

RizzyKing 07-03-2017 00:52
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Trump is playing to his audience and like it or not they are loving Trump and if anything support him more now then before and the more the media and the perceived establishment go after Trump the more they cement his support. I honestly don't think many outside of the rural and run down urban areas of america really understand what's happening and the constant attacks on Trump may be welcome to the better off urbanites and liberals but it's furthering the divide that's split far and wide already. Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans in his agenda then the rest and I'm starting to think there's a bit more planning and calculation in what Trump's doing then anyone has thought so far.

passingbat 07-03-2017 05:16
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888908)
Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans .

That's been the case from the get go. Normal Americans got it; they looked at his policies, and looked past the man himself. The political establishment panicked because they could see their cosy relationship with big business sponsors under threat. The mainly east and west coast morally liberal, politically correct people hated Trump because he was against the moral decline that had taken place under previous administrations, for example the bathroom laws. The Heartland of America still has a large Church going population that believes in Biblical moral standards.

'Normal Americans' get that countries are under threat from Islamic Terrorism; they've seen what has happened in Europe with uncontrolled immigration. So, they've looked at it from a 'plain common sense' view rather than the hokum of political correctness, and support the temporary travel ban and increase vetting from specific countries that are lacking background information in a potential immigrants documentation.

'Normal Americans' are well aware of the depletion of manufacturing, and also aware of the part that globalisation has played in this. It wasn't hard to discern from the two Presidential candidates, which one leaned towards a global world view and which one was focussing on rebuilding America's industry.

Mr K 07-03-2017 08:21
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888910)
That's been the case from the get go. Normal Americans got it; they looked at his policies, and looked past the man himself. The political establishment panicked because they could see their cosy relationship with big business sponsors under threat. The mainly east and west coast morally liberal, politically correct people hated Trump because he was against the moral decline that had taken place under previous administrations, for example the bathroom laws. The Heartland of America still has a large Church going population that believes in Biblical moral standards.

'Normal Americans' get that countries are under threat from Islamic Terrorism; they've seen what has happened in Europe with uncontrolled immigration. So, they've looked at it from a 'plain common sense' view rather than the hokum of political correctness, and support the temporary travel ban and increase vetting from specific countries that are lacking background information in a potential immigrants documentation.

'Normal Americans' are well aware of the depletion of manufacturing, and also aware of the part that globalisation has played in this. It wasn't hard to discern from the two Presidential candidates, which one leaned towards a global world view and which one was focussing on rebuilding America's industry.

Plain common sense, lol. That's one thing they haven't got. The vast majority of US terrorism is home grown. Most of it from these right wing Bible bashing nutters. And why only 120 day ban ? If there is a threat does it dramatically go away after that ?? And why is Saudi Arabia not included, the home of terrorism??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7557266.html

And what does 'from the get go' mean? Have you copy and pasted from Fox News?

passingbat 07-03-2017 09:16
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And why only 120 day ban ? If there is a threat does it dramatically go away after that ??

Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.

1andrew1 07-03-2017 10:43
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And what does 'from the get go' mean? Have you copy and pasted from Fox News?
PassingBat is using globalist language, not a term used by us Brits. ;)

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888926)
Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.
Shouldn't it be 120 days less the time (40 days or so) that they've already had to do their research when the first ban was announced? Starting from 120 days gives the impression that it will just be continually renewed.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35888908)
Trump is playing to his audience and like it or not they are loving Trump and if anything support him more now then before and the more the media and the perceived establishment go after Trump the more they cement his support. I honestly don't think many outside of the rural and run down urban areas of america really understand what's happening and the constant attacks on Trump may be welcome to the better off urbanites and liberals but it's furthering the divide that's split far and wide already. Right now Trump is coming off more as the person with the interests of normal americans in his agenda then the rest and I'm starting to think there's a bit more planning and calculation in what Trump's doing then anyone has thought so far.
It's all a clever deflection game, Trump knows what he's doing:

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With this tirade, for instance, he didn’t just change the subject, he scrambled it, a trick completed when the White House asked Congress at the weekend to include consideration of the Obama administration breaking anti-snooping rules, including possible wire-tapping of Trump Tower, in its incoming investigations into possible Trump-Russia ties. Plenty of Republicans have already said they will go along.

Thus several things have happened. Now when the subject comes up of Russia and Trump, the default response of Trump’s supporters, at least, will be, “Ah, but look at how much worse Obama was”. It’s like the school bully responding to being told off for some random act of violence by concocting something much worse about someone else in the playground. In the meantime, any White House official who is asked to offer substantiation for this Saturday morning’s Tweets can now shrug and say it is a matter for Congress to sort out.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7615071.html

Mick 07-03-2017 10:53
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888929)

It's all a clever deflection game, Trump knows what he's doing:


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7615071.html
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban

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Questions are being raised by former UN staff, such as Stephen Schlesinger, author of a book about the organisation, who said today that the spying was not a surprise – but what was, is the Obama administration's continuation of a policy begun by the Bush administration.

Osem 07-03-2017 11:41
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35888936)
I think you will find, Obama Administration has been reported to have form when it comes to spying games. Spying on their own allies, France, The WTO, UN's Ban Ki Moon, so why not Donald Trump ? :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ry-clinton-ban
No, that's all lies concocted by Trump apologists to deflect attention from his heinous crimes. :D

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35888926)
Because, in that 120 days, they are reassessing vetting procedures and modifying them if necessary. The problem with these countries is lack of adequate background information in the documentation provided. Iraq has agreed to provide more information enabling it to be taken of the list. At the end of the 120 days, it will be reassessed; some countries could be taken off or some other countries could be added. Don't forget it was the Obama Administration that identified these countries as needing special attention.
Yeah but Trump in charge now and it's all his fault because he's nasty and Obama isn't so there! :rolleyes:

1andrew1 07-03-2017 11:55
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35888943)
No, that's all lies concocted by Trump apologists to deflect attention from his heinous crimes. :

Yeah but Trump in charge now and it's all his fault because he's nasty and Obama isn't so there! :rolleyes:
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.

Mick 07-03-2017 12:15
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35888952)
Trump's in charge so he can just check if phone-tapping was authorised by Obama in five minutes. It's not rocket science.
Obama was no angel and Mick was right to point this out.
Problem is there is still a lot of Obama loyalists liberals still in place because Trump has not yet got all his picks confirmed by Senate, these Obama folk probably doing their best to rock the boat. Trump needs to fire them all Apprentice style.

passingbat 07-03-2017 12:36
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35888916)
And what does 'from the get go' mean?
Really?


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