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Hugh 02-01-2011 19:13

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Except for the ones she didn't.....

papa smurf 02-01-2011 19:16

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35146417)
Except for the ones she didn't.....

as for the others i like to think she mothballed them for the future ;)

Hugh 02-01-2011 19:17

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To keep the foxes in, so they would be safe.....

Flyboy 02-01-2011 21:11

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35146351)
are you a veggie ?

Yes, I have been for very nearly thirty years.

Peter_ 02-01-2011 21:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35146417)
Except for the ones she didn't.....

Are we counting open caste ones as they were not targeted.

TheDaddy 03-01-2011 05:45

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A giant fox, that is twice the size of a normal specimen, has been captured in Kent, sparking fears that the animals are growing larger because of ‘easy living’ on bins and scraps.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...Maidstone.html

j52c 03-01-2011 09:20

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35146419)
as for the others i like to think she mothballed them for the future ;)

http://www.ukcoal.com/dm-locations

Here are 5 that are still working.

There are other deep mines still operating that don't belong to UK Coal

Maggy 03-01-2011 09:26

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Subject is fox hunting and I think we have been sidetracked enough. ;)

Pierre 03-01-2011 13:06

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35146369)
So i was correct ,a random remark with no basis in fact

All the facts prove that hunting is enjoyed by people from all walks of life more so since the ban ,so it is no longer a sport solely for the upper classes ,if it was before
more foxes are being killed ,so the pest control aspect is being satisfied better than before the ban
employement in the hunting industry has remained at the same level or in some cases a slight up turn

In short the hunting industry is doing better now than before the ban

Would you care to back up any of what you have said with some "factual data", especially on the economic fortunes of the fox hunting industry?

You'll forgive me, if I don't take your word for it?

martyh 03-01-2011 13:15

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146650)
Would you care to back up any of what you have said with some "factual data", especially on the economic fortunes of the fox hunting industry?

You'll forgive me, if I don't take your word for it?

you wont have to if you read the previous posts
i've already posted the data it is here http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

found in post #640

for evidence of more foxes being killed then you read Chris' post #631

Pierre 03-01-2011 13:22

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35146653)
you wont have to if you read the previous posts
i've already posted the data it is here http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

found in post #640

broken link

Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.

martyh 03-01-2011 13:27

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146654)
broken link

Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.

i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons

---------- Post added at 13:27 ---------- Previous post was at 13:25 ----------

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

there you go

Sirius 03-01-2011 13:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146654)
broken link

Which is a shame as I'd have liked to have read what the Northern Ireland assembly found, and whether it applied to all of the UK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35146655)
i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons

---------- Post added at 13:27 ---------- Previous post was at 13:25 ----------

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

there you go

try this

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

Pierre 04-01-2011 08:59

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35146655)
i'll find it again and repost as it does serve to dispel a few myths and seems the most unbiased info i can find ,as i refuse to go to antihunt sites for obvious reasons

---------- Post added at 13:27 ---------- Previous post was at 13:25 ----------

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/researc...2010/12310.pdf

there you go

Not the greatest piece of research.

As the basis for most of the information in this report are articles from the BBC website, telegraph and guardian and not from official sources.

The only credible source is the burns report.

Anyway the overwhelming impression that this report gives is that hunts are carrying on as normal killing as many foxes as they did before the ban, which heralds the question, Why have a ban in the first place?

It's plainly obvious that it is not being enforced, which just backs up my view that the ban was brought in as a smite against a certain class, to show a little muscle, and in reality the government don't really care about the welfare of the fox as they and the police are quite happy to let the practice continue.

Flyboy 04-01-2011 09:09

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35147016)
Not the greatest piece of research.

As the basis for most of the information in this report are articles from the BBC website, telegraph and guardian and not from official sources.

The only credible source is the burns report.

The Burns report was produced before the ban. It is hardly a definitive study of how the hunting industry has fared since the act.

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Anyway the overwhelming impression that this report gives is that hunts are carrying on as normal killing as many foxes as they did before the ban, which heralds the question, Why have a ban in the first place?

It's plainly obvious that it is not being enforced, which just backs up my view that the ban was brought in as a smite against a certain class, to show a little muscle, and in reality the government don't really care about the welfare of the fox as they and the police are quite happy to let the practice continue.
I think you have your contexts mixed up. The number of foxes being killed is not an indication of the method. In fact, more foxes are being killed by shooting, than by dogs. You are right though, that in the majority of cases the act is not being enforced. That is not the fault of the act itself, but by the lack of priority to which the various police forces around the UK place on its enforcement. That is caused by, in some part, a conflict of interest in some senior police officers. Around here, the local Chief Superintendent is a senior member of the hunt, there has been suggestions that the police ignore their behaviour because of his involvement. Nonetheless, any failures on the police's behalf is not any reason to ignore the law and does not make the Hunting Act wrong.


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