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Re: Virgin Media and BT both part of the ISPA
I don't know if this has already been brought to everyone's attention, but both VM and BT are members of the ISPA:
http://www.ispa.org.uk/ All ISPA members are Obliged to conform to a code of practice. The ISPA code of practice is here: http://www.ispa.org.uk/about_us/page_16.html The complaints page is, of course, here: http://www.ispa.org.uk/complaints/ :D |
Re: Virgin Media and BT both part of the ISPA
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The complaints procedure seems to be, complain to BT. After you fail to reach a satisfactory conclusion, your or BT refer the case (at their discretion presumably) to ISPA. ISPA immediately do a slopey shoulders and send you to something called OTELO that I've never heard of. See this thread on BadPhorm |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
One for the techies regarding Richard Clayton's blog and the 'suddenly remembered' fourth redirect.
http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...ges-all-alike/ Could this extra hop be the result of some frantic redesign work in preparation for the BT trial? If so, does it tell us anything about what they are worried about? They would, of course, have to 'remember' about behaviour that is detectably different from that disclosed to Dr Clayton previously. Otherwise they would look like they are trying to hide something. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
this is a tracert i did the other day and kept for reference
Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.249.91.103] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 21 ms 99 ms 99 ms api.home [192.168.1.254] 2 63 ms 72 ms 72 ms esr11.kingston5.broadband.bt.net [217.47.66.142] 3 70 ms 90 ms 54 ms 217.47.66.13 4 57 ms 19 ms 254 ms 217.41.217.1 5 66 ms 74 ms 72 ms 217.41.217.66 6 17 ms 71 ms 71 ms 217.41.171.58 7 17 ms 20 ms 72 ms 217.47.46.43 8 78 ms 70 ms 72 ms core1-pos12-1.kingston.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.40.90 ] 9 59 ms 73 ms 71 ms core1-pos0-9-5-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65 .197] 10 82 ms 98 ms 102 ms core1-pos6-0-0.redbus.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.1 98] 11 62 ms 101 ms 98 ms 195.99.125.110 12 196 ms 72 ms 73 ms 216.239.43.123 13 31 ms 35 ms 49 ms 209.85.255.137 14 41 ms 44 ms 294 ms 72.14.233.77 15 330 ms 266 ms 303 ms ik-in-f103.google.com [66.249.91.103] Trace complete. seems to be a lot of running round in the bt network to unnamed routers |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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So what can we learn from what they are doing? The redirects tell you something very straightfoward. Here's the detail... For each redirect you should assume an increasing degree of incompetence on the part of the designer. So BT clearly have a 4* idiot doing their design work. (On a scale whereby Mr Bean is a 1* idiot, Keystone Kops 2* idiots, the Chuckle Brothers 3*, and Freddy Star might qualify as a 5* idiot ). This is the work of someone who should never never be allowed near a national computer network, and never never be trusted with any aspect of technical privacy or security. :doh: Its so laughably cr@p I'd be ROFL if I wasn't so horrified that they are still seemingly intent on breaking the law. BT customers, do yourself a favour. Give up on these people, its irretrievable. :dig: Move to an ISP who understands how the internet works, respects your privacy/security, respects content copyright, and particularly an ISP who isn't employing an idiot. Pete |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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inetnum: 217.47.30.0 - 217.47.153.255 netname: BT-MIDBAND descr: RAS Boxes country: GB admin-c: KJH5-RIPE tech-c: KJH5-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA remarks: Please send abuse notification to abuse@bt.net mnt-by: BTNET-MNT mnt-lower: BTNET-MNT mnt-routes: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: Ken Hayes remarks: *TECHNICAL CONTACT ONLY* remarks: *DO NOT CONTACT IN CASES OF ABUSE* remarks: *Please e-mail abuse notification to remarks: abuse@btbroadband.com* address: Broadband Platform Team address: UK phone: +44 1922 706028 nic-hdl: KJH5-RIPE mnt-by: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered Quote:
netname: BT-MIDBAND descr: BtnMidband country: GB admin-c: KJH5-RIPE tech-c: KJH5-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA remarks: Please send abuse notification to abuse@bt.net mnt-by: BTNET-MNT mnt-lower: BTNET-MNT mnt-routes: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: Ken Hayes remarks: *TECHNICAL CONTACT ONLY* remarks: *DO NOT CONTACT IN CASES OF ABUSE* remarks: *Please e-mail abuse notification to remarks: abuse@btbroadband.com* address: Broadband Platform Team address: UK phone: +44 1922 706028 nic-hdl: KJH5-RIPE mnt-by: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered Quote:
netname: BT-MIDBAND descr: BT-MIDBAND country: GB admin-c: KJH5-RIPE tech-c: KJH5-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA remarks: Please send abuse notification to abuse@bt.net mnt-by: BTNET-MNT mnt-lower: BTNET-MNT mnt-routes: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: Ken Hayes remarks: *TECHNICAL CONTACT ONLY* remarks: *DO NOT CONTACT IN CASES OF ABUSE* remarks: *Please e-mail abuse notification to remarks: abuse@btbroadband.com* address: Broadband Platform Team address: UK phone: +44 1922 706028 nic-hdl: KJH5-RIPE mnt-by: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered Quote:
netname: BT-MIDBAND descr: RAS Boxes country: GB admin-c: KJH5-RIPE tech-c: KJH5-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA remarks: Please send abuse notification to abuse@bt.net mnt-by: BTNET-MNT mnt-lower: BTNET-MNT mnt-routes: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: Ken Hayes remarks: *TECHNICAL CONTACT ONLY* remarks: *DO NOT CONTACT IN CASES OF ABUSE* remarks: *Please e-mail abuse notification to remarks: abuse@btbroadband.com* address: Broadband Platform Team address: UK phone: +44 1922 706028 nic-hdl: KJH5-RIPE mnt-by: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '217.32.0.0/12AS2856' route: 217.32.0.0/12 descr: BT Public Internet Service origin: AS2856 mnt-by: BTNET-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered odf file on RAS http://www.patton.com/datasheet/remo...ide_lo-res.pdf Just to give you a comparison from another ISP to google Tracing route to www.l.google.com [216.239.59.99] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.1.1] 2 15 ms 14 ms 15 ms ironwood.dsl.enta.net [87.127.229.6] 3 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms vlan4002.telehouse-east.dsl.enta.net [87.127.229 .1] 4 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms te5-2.telehouse-east.core.enta.net [62.249.192.1 21] 5 14 ms 16 ms 14 ms te4-3.global-switch.core.enta.net [87.127.236.82 ] 6 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms te4-3.telehouse-north.core.enta.net [87.127.236. 41] 7 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 72.14.198.46 8 15 ms 14 ms 14 ms 209.85.252.40 9 29 ms 25 ms 30 ms 209.85.250.216 10 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms 72.14.232.241 11 28 ms 29 ms 30 ms 216.239.49.126 12 28 ms 26 ms 29 ms 216.239.59.99 Trace complete. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
How do you do a tracert?
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Click the start button,then click on run,in the box titled "open:" , type in the letters cmd ,then hit your enter key or click ok. Then in the next screen that pops up , just type tracert followed by a space , then type in the web address of who you want to trace the route to, e.g www.google.com then hit the enter key to begin the trace. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Geeeeeeee wat next. :shocked:
[Edit] Hi bigsanta11 Thank you for the info [Edit] Trace for Google Tracing route to www.l.google.com [66.102.9.104] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1 2 8 ms 7 ms 10 ms 10.157.84.1 3 9 ms 7 ms 12 ms midd-t2cam1-b-v108.inet.ntl.com [213.106.238.173 ] 4 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms midd-dpim1-8-coc-1-gw.service.virginmedia.net [6 2.254.64.185] 5 14 ms 8 ms 11 ms midd-t3core-1a-ge-100-0.inet.ntl.com [62.254.64. 145] 6 11 ms 9 ms 9 ms lee-bb-a-so-130-0.inet.ntl.com [213.105.75.45] 7 17 ms 17 ms 28 ms pop-bb-b-as1-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.185.238] 8 17 ms 17 ms 15 ms tele-ic-2-as0-0.inet.ntl.com [62.253.184.6] 9 47 ms 15 ms 15 ms 212.250.14.138 10 19 ms 15 ms 16 ms 209.85.255.175 11 31 ms 29 ms 26 ms 209.85.251.190 12 28 ms 27 ms 28 ms 64.233.174.187 13 40 ms 36 ms 36 ms 64.233.174.14 14 48 ms 28 ms 27 ms lm-in-f104.google.com [66.102.9.104] Trace complete. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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No. They cannot be seriously considering that, "security" be damned. The "threat" from "terrorists" is not enough to even attempt to justify such insanity. Don't they understand yet that by bringing in such measures they are losing the "war"? The clear implication is that they are admitting/claiming that their current measures, techniques and legal powers are inadequate, so they need to lift passages right out of 1984 and make them a reality. Compared to this, the threat from Phorm seems almost trivial - even if it's possible, which frankly I doubt. How many millions of phone calls and emails are made/sent every day? Can a single database even hold so many data? And what the hell use will it be anyway when the "terrorists" and criminals will, as the article suggests, use encryption and PAYG phones? IronKey are going to be doing a roaring trade, unless the government goes the US route and prohibits encryption by private individuals. It seems that free speech will shortly be literally impossible without encryption - and, of course, they'll ask the usual asinine question: "Well, what have you got to hide, then?" When, and how, is this madness going to stop?! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: And just in case, I note that I do not intend to disappear from this forum or from public view in the near future - unless they do this, in which case I shall never browse or make a phone call ever again. This disclaimer is, it seems, becoming more and more relevant by the day. As hopeless as it sounds, there has to be a way to stop them... |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
people need to get a grip,
this is only a call log database, not the content. it will just be a list of numbers dialled and recieved, same as the phone companies keep now for billing and billing disputes the same with web traffic, it is only a formalisation of the dns, dhcp logs they already keep, so plod or other can get a warrant and check if you spoke to someone they are investigating or downloaded the anarchist cook book |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Its a government measure, which I find distasteful, but not a commercial marketing exploit like Phorm. I believe in Germany this type of retrospective evidence collection is unconstitutional (Police are allowed to collect evidence AFTER they have a warrant, not BEFORE they have a warrant)... but that's a debate for a different thread IMHO. |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Soon all newborn will be given chip implants at birth. And your every move throughout the world will be monitored.
It would seem that in the US, they are now actively discussing the legality of web monitoring for ads. NebuAd refused to disclose what advertising networks--such as DoubleClick or Microsoft's Aquantive--it uses, or what broadband providers it counts as customers. So did Phorm and Front Porch (which said it could not arrange an interview). |
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3965033.ece |
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