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In what sense was freedom day not freedom day OB?

No legal restrictions. That’s exactly what was promised and exactly what we have.

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The public don’t need to follow your instructions on relaxing, OB. That’s the point of personal responsibility. If they want to stay at home, that’s entirely their perogative. If businesses or property developers lose money in the meantime that’s capitalism in action, who are we to intervene and mandate public behaviour against public will?

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I'm sure they acknowledge it, they just don't care or think that it's fair to restrict a majority on the needs of minority.

Given that those everybody over 18 has been offered the vaccine, the unvaccinated are either anti-vax or just not bothered, unable to have the vaccine for some reason or are under 18.

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Yep, heard it all before, don't care.

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Travel? We'll see. If Proof of vaccination is required for access to certain things then it's not "freedom day"

As an aside, I went to the circus the other day, it was brilliant and at the begining the announcer stated that all guests should wear a mask throughout the performance. I saw about 7 people out of a crowd of approx 2,000.

No one cares anymore, well not in Halifax anyway.

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Nobody seriously expected unrestricted international travel to form part of “freedom day”.

The problem with observational data is you don’t see all the people who stayed away from the circus because of the clowns.

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For British Citizens why not?

I've been vaccinated, if I've been to Spain, Singapore or Australia, how is that any more riskier than going down the road to the shops?

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Why British citizens over any other? Vaccinated is vaccinated is it not? Or do we do vaccine xenophobia?

Does anyone have the beta variant in your local shops?

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Where in my post did i say we should be 'hiding in the cupboard' ?

Hypothetical question, how long do you think that it would take for a vaccine to be updated and then go through approvals and testing again? then let's make it more complex by them having to figure out why the new variant can escape/is more resistant. Weeks? Months?

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You will care, if it, or a future variant takes you or a member of your family for a trip on a ventilator in intensive care, or worse.

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I’m still at a loss as to why OB is concerned about hiding in the cupboard. After all - Mr “just shield the vulnerable” must surely be supportive of private individuals taking rational decisions in their own interests?

Or do we reach the genuine crux of his concern. Is he worried about that lack of expenditure in the economy?

Freedom day isn’t the freedom day he foolishly expected. Some of the vulnerable are self selecting to shield. Those working from home are sitting in their newly built conservatories with no financial interest in a return to slaving away in soulless glass city centre offices, at a cost of thousands per year to train operators.

As I promised him there’s no going back to 2019 and there never will be under the flag of “living with the virus”.

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Anti-vaxxers are pretending to be vegan to avoid potential vaccine regulations

https://twitter.com/i/events/1422899486280589312

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You must live in fear........HAHAHAH, for the rest of your life. The variants will kill you and all your family.

Like I say, heard it all before, don't care.

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Now you're talking, I agree with you. There shouldn't be any travel restrictions for anyone, anywhere. That's a refreshing attitude you're taking there.

Probably, and Delta, Lambda, Omega. The variants will kill us all.

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No, I don't live in fear, I'm also not a sociopath.

I have a healthy respect for science, the scientists and the concerns that they raise.

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I was more interested in your initial qualification rather than your atrocious idea. However at least you offered context in the previous sentence.

Fundamentally you’re in with the Great Barrington Declaration crowd, and no proposals no matter how reasonable will ever suit your ideological dogma.

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I wonder what evidence the politically appointed behavioural scientists have to support the Government that doesn't get anything wrong has to support 16 and 17 year olds but not 12-15 year olds as in the rest of the world.

Supply chain of Pfizer vaccines perhaps? After all I don't hear much chatter of an Oxford booster.

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After the last 18 months wow, I assume that doesn’t include alternative SAGE or Neil Ferguson?

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You have to agree I’ve been consistent

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Yeah, we have lots of vaccines on order and it looks like us old codgers might be getting a Pfizer or Moderna jab if we had AZ in the past (linky)

That's going to limit doses for the kids by the look of it as they can't have the AZ jab