Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

that is just standard data retention, basically where you looked and when. dns logs which when combined with DHCP logs allow law enforcment to confirm if you looked at a particular site and when, but a warrant is required before the ISP hands over the info. same as the phone side so they can check (with a warrant) who you called and when

standard stuff as covered under ripa 2000, just been made more formal under EU law

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The ICO should be enforcing PECR (which should guarantee that your privacy is protected by explicit opt in)... Try asking them why they haven't assigned a case worker, and highlight PECR.

Regards RIPA, it seems the Home Office may have responsibility for enforcement, but they consider they have 'no investigatory role'. You should also be able to report to your local Police, Scotland Yard/SOCA investigated the News of the World case for the Royal Family... but they can't be bothered to investigate for 100,000+ ordinary people.

Regards Computer Misuse, I understand again it should be your local Police. But if your experience turns out anything like mine, they won't investigate, claiming its a Home Office responsibility or implying that someone 'higher up' is investigating, or demanding absolute proof (which you can't have unless you have a search warrant for an ISP). Essentially, they will say anything to avoid investigating.

So its a pretty depressing story really.

DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU REPORTING IT.

Its really important these complaints keep adding up. I know of around half a dozen to a dozen complaints to various Police forces (including Avon, Metropolitan) that have so far gone uninvestigated, despite the flagrant admission by Emma Sanderson on TV. I know of only one instances of the ICO assigning 'a case worker' (for what that's worth).


Incidentally, I was in IKEA at the weekend looking for a solution to the perpetual problem of 'wasted space'. The thought ocurred to me that the ICO could be replaced by a more useful Billy bookcase unit.


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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hot Tip

There'll be a piece on Phorm in the Economist's quarterly tech supplement in the 6 June edition.

:)

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

its interesting that Phorm or inter-ISP DPI interception for commercial profit doesnt get a mention in this latest "state of Information Security in UK" report http://www.security.itproportal.com/...n-security-uk/

but when you take the official No.s of Uk business Dependence on IT web connections and introduce this unlawful interception,data collection and processing for profit, plus using this interception to make those "unauthorised derivative work's" it seems they have a lot of extra work to do and need to expend a LOT MORE CASH at protecting their copyrights and company secrets from other commercial entitys etc...
against the likes of Phorm and the intercepting ISPs they are using today.

http://www.pwc.co.uk/pdf/BERR_ISBS_2008(sml).pdf
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PAYE data is a big driver here.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So these ISPs are now installing switches and black boxes on their networks that not only they don't have fully documented details of the code on the box but the developer company does not or cannot explain how it works either. Priceless.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm still wondering why 80/20 are still working with Phorm given that this clause of their ethics policy has presumably been violated (no videos of the Phorm meeting):

"Any instance of deception or dishonesty by an 80/20 client during the course of our work will result in the termination of that relationship."

Maybe if Phorm puts the videos up in 2015, it still counts? Or maybe the ethical code is a wee bit flexible?

On another note, I'll be fascinated to hear what the chairman of a notorious PR company has to say about privacy at 80/20's launch party tomorrow, not to mention a BT manager. Plus a representative from that bastion of online privacy, AOL... I wonder if Kent will be there too! All power to the Earl of Northesk contending with that lot.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That contradicts everything BT have said to me so far privately, that is attributable, and also what they have said on the Webwise FAQ.

They have committed to giving 24 hours notice for the trials. No such notice has been given. If they start trials without notice (again) then they really would be in deep PR doodoo - so I don't believe they are currently trialling - they are trying hard to get the trials started, and may well be trialling internally but I don't see how the trial can have started.

They have always said so far - no information in advance on the final rollout.
Secondly that they were working on a cookie free "not opting in" method, and thirdly - no comment on the actual methodology to be used in the trials until they were ready to start.

Knowing BT - the most likely reason for any confusion is poor internal communication.

You can check the current Webwise FAQ here

On the official Webwise site (sets a session cookie, and is not hosted by BT - the IPs resolve to Fasthosts)
http://webwise.bt.com/webwise/index.html

or on the main BT site (may not be identical - BT are v poor at synchronising different sets of pages)
http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...=CON-WEBWISE-I

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Further thinking about the above, I am sure Phorm would much rather have a central Channel Server - everything that is farmed and profiled would be sent to one location, and that could be anywhere!
So, to say the only reason not to is because 'they wished to ensure that they were not being perceived to break the rules' seems a little far-fetched. Or am I being over paranoid?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

doh my bad was reading wrong page like :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yeah... We're all still wondering the same thing Julian (even Alexander is probably shaking his head but like he says, someone needs to try and work with these 3rd party plonkers like K*nt or we'll not know what's going on until it is too late)

Another good point. Although going by the current speed of the GOvernment's answers, it will be Christmas before he gets any answers to new questions.

From here: http://www.publications.parliament.u...d/ldordpap.htm

Questions asked: 24 April
Due for answer: 8 May

HL3267 Earl of Northesk [HO]
HL3268 Earl of Northesk [HO]

Come on Home Office... The Earl is waiting for answers, my MP is waiting for answers, I'm waiting... BT are probably waiting. In fact I bet the ICO, Police, Kent and his concerned investors are even waiting ...We're all bleedin' waiting!!

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Speaking of waiting. Apologies if I missed it happening, but am I right in thinking the PIA is still MIA?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

hmm , while researching for the latest Docsis and cable news i came across this old news now as referenced below.

are we looking at a US,UK or even world cable wide DPI interception tied into this cable "Project Canoe" advertising tracking software project?

http://www.lightreading.com/document...54112&site=cdn
"The Cable Show: A Five Item Previewhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifMAY 17, 2008

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This show will offer as good a time as any for "Project Canoe" to drop the veil and at least acknowledge a few more things, since plenty of details about the effort has leaked out already. (See Cable's 'Canoe' RFI Paddles Toward Deadline and Who's Rowing 'Project Canoe'? and Verklin to Helm Cable Ad Initiative?.)
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http://www.lightreading.com/document...34343&site=cdn

Cable's 'Canoe' RFI Paddles Toward Deadlinehttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gif
SEPTEMBER 19, 2007https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifDiscuss >https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gifhttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/09/22.gif
As many as 60 vendors could reply to a request for information (RFI) from CableLabs that will form the basis of a common, industry-wide back-office and architecture for advanced advertising applications and services.

The project, multiple sources have confirmed, carries the internal code-name of "Canoe," with the idea that it will ensure that all cable MSOs paddle in the same technical direction, and give advertisers the ability to "buy cable" across the board with ease, and without the headaches of supporting disparate ad systems and technologies.


It's a big deal," a source says of the CableLabs-led project, which is carrying regular and high-level participation from the top MSOs. Adding interactive elements to the mix could also help to jumpstart a sluggish cable local ad sales market. At Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK), for example, ad sales make up about 6 percent of its overall revenue.

"The cable industry is definitely interested in building a next-generation interactive advertising platform," says another person familiar with Canoe.


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Although little technical detail is known about Canoe, it's expected to define common interfaces and systems for a set of advanced advertising services, including targeted ads, addressable spots, and "telescoping" VOD ads,...."

cable "Project Canoe"
http://search.virginmedia.com/result...ct+Canoe%22&cr=

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Last email I had from 80/20 (last week) said the information they had been waiting on was now in, and the project was "nearing completion".

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi All, just seen this (nothing new)!

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1...9419839,00.htm

Regards to all, davethejag

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

its a pitty we didnt know about this
Mobile Livecasting service during the PIA meeting this would have been better than nothing for a public record of the Q&A

http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/05/19/7771/


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