Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

The IMF thinks the U.K’s economy will grow faster than Germany and Italy over the next two years (and be on a par with France). Joint 3rd in the G7 after the USA and Canada. #despitebrexit. ;)

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/...com-TW-WEO0119

Although they do make clear there is a lot of uncertainty but it assumes we reach a deal on Brexit and enter the transition period (i.e for the next two years we'll still be operating under the single market).

1andrew1

21-01-2019 21:57

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35980301)

So that projection is based on our still following EU rules, making contributions and accepting freedom of movement. Sounds like BINO to me. ;)
Logical conclusion being that if we keep doing all the above we will enjoy good growth. ;)

RichardCoulter

21-01-2019 22:52

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35980284)

It’s not about money for some, you’re right.

It’s essentially racism. The “full picture” as you put it simply the fact they are foreign.

Not everyone born in this country is a net contributor, so that’s a red herring. Impacts on poverty, housing or the NHS are sideshows to the reality that austerity is cutting public services as that’s Conservative ideology.

The fact that not everyone born here isn't a net contributor isn't relevant with regards to immigrants coming here and doing the same thing!

I think the main resentment is that people see some immigrants as coming here and taking away resources; by definition they will be foreign, but that isn't the problem, it's them moving over here that is.

I think that UKIP & Leave gained a lot of votes due to this. These voters aren't the types that would ever consider voting for the BNP etc as they don't consider themselves as racist, but have had enough of unfettered immigration.

Your last point has some merit as both have contributed to overstretching public services.

Sephiroth

22-01-2019 04:53

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35980278)

The fact that we readily include foreign words and phrases into our culture is yet another example of the fact we are anything but xenophobic.

That's a bit of a stretch. Our language isn't our culture.

One reason that the UK is attractive to foreign workers is that they tend to speak English as a second language rather than French or German.

As regards our culture vs Europe, as I've said before, we look alike but don't think alike.

jfman

22-01-2019 05:35

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35980306)

The fact that not everyone born here isn't a net contributor isn't relevant with regards to immigrants coming here and doing the same thing!

It’s exactly the same. That’s the way taxation and public spending work.

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I think the main resentment is that people see some immigrants as coming here and taking away resources; by definition they will be foreign, but that isn't the problem, it's them moving over here that is.

Which isn’t evidence based.

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I think that UKIP & Leave gained a lot of votes due to this. These voters aren't the types that would ever consider voting for the BNP etc as they don't consider themselves as racist, but have had enough of unfettered immigration.

Your last point has some merit as both have contributed to overstretching public services.

I agree racism and xenophobia get out the vote for UKIP and Vote Leave. I also agree many racists lack the self awareness to realise they are racist.

“I’m not a racist, but...”, as they say.

Sephiroth

22-01-2019 07:13

Re: Brexit

The definition of "racist" varies between people.

What's more, some people associate valid concerns over specific ethnicities as racism.

Racism is a toxic topic and xenophobia is illogical and something quite different.

Damien

22-01-2019 08:06

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35980311)

As regards our culture vs Europe, as I've said before, we look alike but don't think alike.

We largely do though. The differences between British and most European cultures are quite superficial. Mostly similar values, shared history and a Judeo-Christian background. You don't have huge cultural disconnects if you're in Europe, talking to European people, eating European food or so on.

The differences people usually cite are small and involve stereotypes. I.E Germans are more logical or Southern Europeans more laid back.

If you're somebody coming from Asia the difference between Asian culture and European culture would be more pronounced than the different between British and European culture. They would lump us in with the continent quite easily.

Pierre

22-01-2019 08:37

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35980300)

So Plan B is Plan A again ! :D.

Must be a policy of ' it'll sort itself out somehow.... '.

She playing a page out of the EU’s playbook.

1andrew1

22-01-2019 09:05

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35980319)

She playing a page out of the EU’s playbook.

How so? Looks to me like Groundhog May, as some of the papers are terming it.

djfunkdup

22-01-2019 09:34

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35980321)

How so? Looks to me like Groundhog May, as some of the papers are terming it.

If you were half decent at Chess it would be apparent what she was doing ;)

ianch99

22-01-2019 10:53

Re: Brexit

JC takes another step, reluctantly kicking and screaming, towards a second referendum:

Labour calls for vote in Commons on holding second referendum

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Labour has said the Commons should be able to vote on whether to hold a second referendum in an amendment the party submitted on Monday night to Theresa May’s Brexit update.

He still has wiggle room but he is being slowly and grudgingly pushed toward this position.

heero_yuy

22-01-2019 11:00

Re: Brexit

1 Attachment(s)

Latest ICM opinion poll:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1548154688

Attachment 27708

nomadking

22-01-2019 11:20

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35980311)

Are you saying that foreign words and phrase haven't been incorporated into British culture. As they are foreign, it can hardly be classed as included in the English language. The French constantly complain about English words being included in their culture/language.

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As the French language police crackdown on more
Anglicizations - this time it's 'fake news', here's a look at
20 of the most annoying English words that should be kicked out
of the French language according to a Gallic author.",

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The Académie, a council of 40 writers and artists, is entrusted with protecting French from “Anglo-Saxon” attacks and writing an official dictionary, of which the latest unfinished version began in 1992.

One of its tasks is to come up with French equivalents to unwanted English words that slip into French – for example turning “email” into “courriel”.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35980325)

JC takes another step, reluctantly kicking and screaming, towards a second referendum:

Labour calls for vote in Commons on holding second referendum

He still has wiggle room but he is being slowly and grudgingly pushed toward this position.

So would this 2nd vote be a "meaningful" one, or would that depend on the outcome?:mad:

As the recent Commons vote demonstrated, it's easy to have a nonsense question that both sides disagree with, thereby distorting the outcome of the vote. There were those on the remain side and those on the leave side that voted against the proposals.

Hugh	22-01-2019 11:29

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35980327)

Latest ICM opinion poll:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1548154688

Attachment 27708

Would that be the same poll where 26% thought that ‘no deal’ meant staying in the EU?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35980300)

So Plan B is Plan A again ! :D.

Must be a policy of ' it'll sort itself out somehow.... '.

Plan B is TM’s version of the British abroad - say Plan A again but slower and louder, with lots of hand gestures...

papa smurf

22-01-2019 11:30

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35980333)

Would that be the same poll where 26% thought that ‘no deal’ meant staying in the EU?

Sounds like 26% are a bit thick.

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