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Osem 13-07-2010 20:39
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35055629)
quite a bit of money i should think ;)
Yes I don't think that's in much doubt... :D

papa smurf 13-07-2010 20:52
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35055626)
Wonder what the human rights lawyers will make of this.
a mans right to decorate his property as he deems fit -is that a human right ?;)

Arthurgray50@blu 13-07-2010 21:29
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I have said before, this country is so soft, its like butter, the UK won't enforce this ban, as it doesn't want to offend the females that wears these garments.

BUT what we have to realise is that, this country has been hit badly by terrosism attacks and therefore out safety is paramount, and therefore l believe that Burkas should be banned in this country.

When the female has her photo taken for a passport, she has to have the burka taken off, so why can't she do it in the full view of the public, or does she have a photo taken with the burka on.

gazfan 13-07-2010 21:56
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35055680)
I have said before, this country is so soft, its like butter, the UK won't enforce this ban, as it doesn't want to offend the females that wears these garments.

BUT what we have to realise is that, this country has been hit badly by terrosism attacks and therefore out safety is paramount, and therefore l believe that Burkas should be banned in this country.

When the female has her photo taken for a passport, she has to have the burka taken off, so why can't she do it in the full view of the public, or does she have a photo taken with the burka on.
There isn't a ban, there has been a French vote in the lower house in favour of a ban, but it won't become law unless ratified by the Senate.

Even if a law is passed it will be applicable only in France.

In respect of 'offending the females' the putative legislation proposes that the veil is a violation of their rights & seeks to free them from male influence on when it is worn.

Regarding the last paragraph quoted above, perhaps you can enlighten us as to the facts, rather than a mix of conjecture & questions?

I'm all in favour of freeing these women from the obligation to wear a veil if they don't want to, in practice if a law is passed in France it may simply result in them not being allowed out in public?

Xaccers 13-07-2010 21:57
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35055680)
I have said before, this country is so soft, its like butter, the UK won't enforce this ban, as it doesn't want to offend the females that wears these garments.

BUT what we have to realise is that, this country has been hit badly by terrosism attacks and therefore out safety is paramount, and therefore l believe that Burkas should be banned in this country.

When the female has her photo taken for a passport, she has to have the burka taken off, so why can't she do it in the full view of the public, or does she have a photo taken with the burka on.
Arthur, I think you'll find the reason why the UK won't enforce this ban is because it's French. I would have thought that was obvious?

How many UK terrorists were wearing burkhas Arthur?

Honestly Arthur, were you born with any common sense or has it leaked away over the years? :)
Passport photos require the face to be visible to be accepted by the passport office, when using said passport, the owner is required to show their face. If they require this to be done in private with a female security officer. As to why they can't do it in public, I would have thought that by reading the numerous threads on muslims you'd have learnt that by now.

Mr Angry 13-07-2010 21:59
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35055680)
I have said before, this country is so soft, its like butter, the UK won't enforce this ban, as it doesn't want to offend the females that wears these garments.

BUT what we have to realise is that, this country has been hit badly by terrosism attacks and therefore out safety is paramount, and therefore l believe that Burkas should be banned in this country.

When the female has her photo taken for a passport, she has to have the burka taken off, so why can't she do it in the full view of the public, or does she have a photo taken with the burka on.
I believe they can have their photos taken with the burqha on, it's the niqab which must be removed.

Either way, this proposed legislation is no longer specific to the burqha only but has now been extended to include "any garment" which covers the face.

Xaccers 13-07-2010 22:02
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 35055718)
I believe they can have their photos taken with the burqha on, it's the niqab which must be removed.
Hijab is head scarf, and allowed in passport photos as long as it doesn't distort/obscure the face.

frogstamper 13-07-2010 23:47
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Good for the French nation I say, even the French equivalent of the MCB have come out saying that they do not like the full faced burhka, I hasten to add though that they are not in favour of the ban.
One section of our society has been shamefully silent on this oppressive sack, feminists, I cannot understand why we have heard literally nothing from them on this subject, are they frightened they'll be accused of islamaphobia by the usual subjects?
This garment has nothing to do with faith and/or Islam, it originates in a part of the world where certain men tend to view their wives as chattel and don't want other men looking at their property...in my opinion the French have gone down the correct route, this divisive, demeaning sack should have no place in a society where men and women are equal.
I know full well the next point to be raised will be, "what about the women who choose to wear it", if they honestly choose themselves to separate themselves from society and there is no man behind her pulling her strings, she should think about the position she is inflicting on her Muslim sisters who have no choice at all but to wear this monstrosity, by choosing to wear this, and in my opinion make a political statement she gives tacit approval to the weak men who enforce this sack on "their" wives.
The real irony is that there are thousands and thousands of women living in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi who would love to be shot of a full face burhka, in fact in many parts of the middle east about twenty to thirty years ago many did.
It seems to me that fairly recently that many Islamic countries have turned towards a far more conservative interpretation of Islam, and the women who do wear this awful garment by choice wear it to make a political statement.

papa smurf 14-07-2010 06:27
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35055859)
Good for the French nation I say, even the French equivalent of the MCB have come out saying that they do not like the full faced burhka, I hasten to add though that they are not in favour of the ban.
One section of our society has been shamefully silent on this oppressive sack, feminists, I cannot understand why we have heard literally nothing from them on this subject, are they frightened they'll be accused of islamaphobia by the usual subjects?
This garment has nothing to do with faith and/or Islam, it originates in a part of the world where certain men tend to view their wives as chattel and don't want other men looking at their property...in my opinion the French have gone down the correct route, this divisive, demeaning sack should have no place in a society where men and women are equal.
I know full well the next point to be raised will be, "what about the women who choose to wear it", if they honestly choose themselves to separate themselves from society and there is no man behind her pulling her strings, she should think about the position she is inflicting on her Muslim sisters who have no choice at all but to wear this monstrosity, by choosing to wear this, and in my opinion make a political statement she gives tacit approval to the weak men who enforce this sack on "their" wives.
The real irony is that there are thousands and thousands of women living in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi who would love to be shot of a full face burhka, in fact in many parts of the middle east about twenty to thirty years ago many did.
It seems to me that fairly recently that many Islamic countries have turned towards a far more conservative interpretation of Islam, and the women who do wear this awful garment by choice wear it to make a political statement.
:clap::clap::clap: well said

Xaccers 14-07-2010 06:40
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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35055859)
Good for the French nation I say, even the French equivalent of the MCB have come out saying that they do not like the full faced burhka, I hasten to add though that they are not in favour of the ban.
One section of our society has been shamefully silent on this oppressive sack, feminists, I cannot understand why we have heard literally nothing from them on this subject, are they frightened they'll be accused of islamaphobia by the usual subjects?
This garment has nothing to do with faith and/or Islam, it originates in a part of the world where certain men tend to view their wives as chattel and don't want other men looking at their property...in my opinion the French have gone down the correct route, this divisive, demeaning sack should have no place in a society where men and women are equal.
I know full well the next point to be raised will be, "what about the women who choose to wear it", if they honestly choose themselves to separate themselves from society and there is no man behind her pulling her strings, she should think about the position she is inflicting on her Muslim sisters who have no choice at all but to wear this monstrosity, by choosing to wear this, and in my opinion make a political statement she gives tacit approval to the weak men who enforce this sack on "their" wives.
The real irony is that there are thousands and thousands of women living in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi who would love to be shot of a full face burhka, in fact in many parts of the middle east about twenty to thirty years ago many did.
It seems to me that fairly recently that many Islamic countries have turned towards a far more conservative interpretation of Islam, and the women who do wear this awful garment by choice wear it to make a political statement.
In Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Lebenon, Syria, Jordan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran the full face covering is not forced upon women by the government.
The bill deals with those who force it upon women, this is good, but by forcing women not to wear it, who truly believe that they should and feel no degradation from it, that is just as bad.
Are you saying that because some women like their partners to take nude photos of them they are giving tacit approval to those men who force their partners to have nude photos taken of them? No of course you aren't because it would be a ridiculous notion, just as your notion that muslim women who chose to cover their faces in public are giving tacit approval to men who force their partners to do likewise.

punky 14-07-2010 11:33
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Possible loop hole:

http://newsarse.com/2010/07/14/frenc...ewsarse.com%29

papa smurf 14-07-2010 19:01
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Calls grow for burka ban in Britain as French outlaw Islamic 'walking coffins'
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Support for a ban in Britain has come from Tory backbencher Philip Hollobone and the UK Independence Party.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0tgWTqwwy

martyh 14-07-2010 20:11
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35056324)
Calls grow for burka ban in Britain as French outlaw Islamic 'walking coffins'
By

Support for a ban in Britain has come from Tory backbencher Philip Hollobone and the UK Independence Party.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...#ixzz0tgWTqwwy
i don't think we will ever see a ban in this country ,i do however think we could maybe explore the option making it illegal to force a woman to wear one ,that way those who want to wear it can and those who don't won't have to ..could that work ?

Gary L 14-07-2010 20:27
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35056380)
i don't think we will ever see a ban in this country ,i do however think we could maybe explore the option making it illegal to force a woman to wear one ,that way those who want to wear it can and those who don't won't have to ..could that work ?
If somebody is forcing her to wear it then is there a chance that he might beat her if she refuses by stating the law that she can disobey her husband?

punky 14-07-2010 20:31
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Isn't the EU going to strike this law down if it ever becomes ratified? Or is it only us that complies with them?


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