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Flyboy 02-01-2011 13:10
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146260)
I have given my reasons many, many times in this thread.

The ban on hunting with dogs was not equitable as other forms of hunting with animals is is still alllowed.

The ban was not brought in for the welfare of the fox but instead to put an end to a countryside pursuit enjoyed by, in the opinion of the government of the time, wealthy upper class countryside toffs (most likely to be tory voters).

Thers's no point going round in circles.

My opinion is that the ban should be overturned, I doubt it will be.
And this is the reason for supporting the return of fox hunting???????

The logic is astounding.

Pierre 02-01-2011 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35146275)
And this is the reason for supporting the return of fox hunting???????

The logic is astounding.
No, this is the reason.

Quote:
The ban was not brought in for the welfare of the fox but instead to put an end to a countryside pursuit enjoyed by, in the opinion of the government of the time, wealthy upper class countryside toffs (most likely to be tory voters).
The logic is sound.

A vindictive law, resticting the liberty to follow a countryside pursuit, and purely for that reason, as I said the welfare of the fox was the not the motive behind the law so why introduce the law? if not just to be punitive against a certain demographic

Flyboy 02-01-2011 14:36
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146292)
No, this is the reason.



The logic is sound.

A vindictive law, resticting the liberty to follow a countryside pursuit, and purely for that reason, as I said the welfare of the fox was the not the motive behind the law so why introduce the law? if not just to be punitive against a certain demographic
Isn't it odd that vast majority of those who are citing class and partisanship are the pro-hunting lobbyists.

dazzer89 02-01-2011 14:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146260)
I have given my reasons many, many times in this thread.

The ban on hunting with dogs was not equitable as other forms of hunting with animals is is still alllowed.

The ban was not brought in for the welfare of the fox but instead to put an end to a countryside pursuit enjoyed by, in the opinion of the government of the time, wealthy upper class countryside toffs (most likely to be tory voters).

Thers's no point going round in circles.

My opinion is that the ban should be overturned, I doubt it will be.
Lets bring backh Dog fighting shall we? Infact we might as well bring bear bateing back while we are at it.

Maggy 02-01-2011 15:01
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35146305)
Isn't it odd that vast majority of those who are citing class and partisanship are the pro-hunting lobbyists.
I also think the same as Pierre on this issue BUT I don't condone cruelty to animals neither do I personally support fox hunting.It was purely a socialists against the toffs issue for many that voted for the bill IMHO.

I note that the next hunting/cruelty issue that was on the anti-sports agenda has never materialised as a bill mainly because angling is an egalitarian sport, supported and followed by many from all strata and levels and occupations in society.Getting support for a ban on angling would be next to impossible.;)

Flyboy 02-01-2011 15:23
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Indeed it would be, which would be a crying shame, in my opinion.

Peter_ 02-01-2011 16:01
Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146260)
I have given my reasons many, many times in this thread.

The ban on hunting with dogs was not equitable as other forms of hunting with animals is is still alllowed.

The ban was not brought in for the welfare of the fox but instead to put an end to a countryside pursuit enjoyed by, in the opinion of the government of the time, wealthy upper class countryside toffs (most likely to be tory voters).

Thers's no point going round in circles.

My opinion is that the ban should be overturned, I doubt it will be.
The ban should never be overturned as hunting of animals for sport in this way has no place in a modern society, would you like bear baiting to be brought back as well.

Hugh 02-01-2011 16:13
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Only if we could bring back kids under 10 working in the mines, as they were both banned in the early 1800's....

Peter_ 02-01-2011 16:15
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35146338)
Only if we could bring back kids under 10 working in the mines, as they were both banned in the early 1800's....
As we have no mines that is rather unlikely.;)

Maggy 02-01-2011 16:52
Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35146322)
Indeed it would be, which would be a crying shame, in my opinion.
And I assume from that any form of fishing is abhorrent to you..even that which does not involve hooks?

Flyboy 02-01-2011 16:54
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35146347)
And I assume from that any form of fishing is abhorrent to you..even that which does not involve hooks?
Yes..

papa smurf 02-01-2011 16:55
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35146349)
Yes..
are you a veggie ?

Maggy 02-01-2011 17:00
Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35146349)
Yes..
Well tough luck.You are never going to win that war...Fish don't look cute enough.

Mind if you went with the endangered species you might get my vote.The way we have over fished stocks is disgraceful.

I will however defend anglers who eat their catch OR return their catch back into their environment.

martyh 02-01-2011 17:13
Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35146260)
I have given my reasons many, many times in this thread.

The ban on hunting with dogs was not equitable as other forms of hunting with animals is is still alllowed.

The ban was not brought in for the welfare of the fox but instead to put an end to a countryside pursuit enjoyed by, in the opinion of the government of the time, wealthy upper class countryside toffs (most likely to be tory voters).

Thers's no point going round in circles.

My opinion is that the ban should be overturned, I doubt it will be.
So i was correct ,a random remark with no basis in fact

All the facts prove that hunting is enjoyed by people from all walks of life more so since the ban ,so it is no longer a sport solely for the upper classes ,if it was before
more foxes are being killed ,so the pest control aspect is being satisfied better than before the ban
employement in the hunting industry has remained at the same level or in some cases a slight up turn

In short the hunting industry is doing better now than before the ban

dazzer89 02-01-2011 18:51
Re: Bring Back Fox Hunting
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35146339)
As we have no mines that is rather unlikely.;)
Thatcher closed them all.


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