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OLD BOY 01-04-2014 19:31
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35685306)
BT executive: 'count us out' of Channel 5 bid.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-channel-5-bid
Of course, it may be a bluff to try to keep the bids low, but I think it is disappointing that BT don't appear to be up for Channel 5. If they are serious about being a channel provider, this would have been a good opportunity. I am now resigned to Channel 5 continuing to be an 'also ran' in the terrestrial line up. Not much for me on there.

MaverickJesus 02-04-2014 21:43
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I don't see why BT would have any interest at all in a free to air terrestrial TV channel. Doesn't fit with their business objectives at all.

1andrew1 02-04-2014 22:18
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Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35685617)
I don't see why BT would have any interest at all in a free to air terrestrial TV channel. Doesn't fit with their business objectives at all.
Spot on!

Meanwhile, it looks like BT Sport will be available via Google Chromecast, but only for BT broadband subscribers.

OLD BOY 03-04-2014 14:01
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Originally Posted by MaverickJesus (Post 35685617)
I don't see why BT would have any interest at all in a free to air terrestrial TV channel. Doesn't fit with their business objectives at all.
How so?

I believe that owning Channel 5 could establish their credibility as a broadcaster with the general public and encourage potential customers over to BT Vision, where there could be an enhanced line-up of BT channels to increase interest in their TV service.

Sky has had a presence on Freeview with Pick TV (previously Sky 3) for a number of years, and they use this not only to bring in additional advertising revenue, but also to showcase their pay channels. BT taking over Channel 5 would be much more prominent and it would be a good lead-in to a later campaign to attract viewers over to them instead of Sky.

This does assume, of course, that BT intends to extend the range of its linear channels, which could include a bouquet of channels with BT Sport as part of that package. This in turn would increase interest in the overall BT offer of a competitive package including TV, broadband, mobile phones and landlines.

And that is where it is relevant. BT currently offers all four, but the TV side of it is weak compared with Sky and Virgin. Increasing the number of linear channels, with some in BT's own name, is bound to attract more people over to the service. Don't you think? And attracting customers to broadband is what their business objectives are all about.

muppetman11 03-04-2014 14:08
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685749)
How so?

I believe that owning Channel 5 could establish their credibility as a broadcaster with the general public and encourage potential customers over to BT Vision, where there could be an enhanced line-up of BT channels to increase interest in their TV service.

Sky has had a presence on Freeview with Pick TV (previously Sky 3) for a number of years, and they use this not only to bring in additional advertising revenue, but also to showcase their pay channels. BT taking over Channel 5 would be much more prominent and it would be a good lead-in to a later campaign to attract viewers over to them instead of Sky.

This does assume, of course, that BT intends to extend the range of its linear channels, which could include a bouquet of channels with BT Sport as part of that package. This in turn would increase interest in the overall BT offer of a competitive package including TV, broadband, mobile phones and landlines.

And that is where it is relevant. BT currently offers all four, but the TV side of it is weak compared with Sky and Virgin. Increasing the number of linear channels, with some in BT's own name, is bound to attract more people over to the service. Don't you think? And attracting customers to broadband is what their business objectives are all about.
Pick TV showcases Sky's entertainment channels what do you expect BT to showcase on Channel 5 ? Considering they currently only own Sports channels.

OLD BOY 03-04-2014 14:11
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35685751)
Pick TV showcases Sky's entertainment channels what do you expect BT to showcase on Channel 5 ? Considering they currently only own Sports channels.
Read my next paragraph, muppetman. I said that this assumes that BT will develop additional channels, some in BT's own name.

About a year ago, BT indicated that it would be extending the range of linear channels on its platform, but I don't know if they have had a change of heart since then. But I do think that this is what they should do, because only then can they compete on a more level playing field with their main competitors.

1andrew1 03-04-2014 14:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685749)
How so?
I believe that owning Channel 5 could establish their credibility as a broadcaster with the general public and encourage potential customers over to BT Vision, where there could be an enhanced line-up of BT channels to increase interest in their TV service.
BT has established its credentials for sports broadcasting, why does it need to invest in other general channels? At this stage it's trying to sell broadband, TV is secondary.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685749)
Sky has had a presence on Freeview with Pick TV (previously Sky 3) for a number of years, and they use this not only to bring in additional advertising revenue, but also to showcase their pay channels. BT taking over Channel 5 would be much more prominent and it would be a good lead-in to a later campaign to attract viewers over to them instead of Sky.
Channel 5 is a highly-regulated PSB service. Even if BT had the content, which it doesn't, it couldn't just use Channel 5 as a Pick TV type service. And buying Channel 5 doesn't bring with it much content. BT's John Petter stated "The lack of attractive programming formats does not just count us out as a suitor in the short term, it counts us out for any term".

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685749)
This does assume, of course, that BT intends to extend the range of its linear channels, which could include a bouquet of channels with BT Sport as part of that package. This in turn would increase interest in the overall BT offer of a competitive package including TV, broadband, mobile phones and landlines.
OK, but I can't see any evidence that BT wants to go down this route for the time being.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685749)
And that is where it is relevant. BT currently offers all four, but the TV side of it is weak compared with Sky and Virgin. Increasing the number of linear channels, with some in BT's own name, is bound to attract more people over to the service. Don't you think? And attracting customers to broadband is what their business objectives are all about.
If BT gave everyone a gold bar with BT TV then they would attract more people to the service. I don't think that's financially sensible nor is acquiring a content-light PSB. However, it may be sensible for BT to develop its own channels in the future but I can't see the numbers stacking up at the moment. Far better for it to continue adding third party channels which don't require heavy investment.

muppetman11 03-04-2014 15:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685753)
Read my next paragraph, muppetman. I said that this assumes that BT will develop additional channels, some in BT's own name.

About a year ago, BT indicated that it would be extending the range of linear channels on its platform, but I don't know if they have had a change of heart since then. But I do think that this is what they should do, because only then can they compete on a more level playing field with their main competitors.
Why do they need to start their own channels to compete ? VM don't own their own channels nor do Talk Talk who I believe are the fastest growing TV service in the UK at the moment.

BT TV doesn't require you to have a satellite dish and its fibre coverage a prerequisite for the internet channels on BT TV now covers a greater footprint than that of VM with government funding its hoped this coverage could reach 90% of UK homes.

At the moment I agree their TV service is lacking quite a few key channels however I'm sure BT will add these going forward making a decent triple play offering.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 09:15
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I agree that BT does not necessarily have to invest in its own channels, but I would be surprised if they did not do this with time. However, they do need to improve their channel/on demand offering to be in the same league as their main rivals.

Regarding the point that TV is secondary, I think you have to bear in mind that all the major players have three or four packages on offer, and it's cheaper for consumers to buy into services this way. Why transfer from Sky or Virgin to get BT's broadband if they have an inferior TV offering?

For this reason, I think that BT's TV service is in need of some attention if they want to increase the number of broadband customers.

muppetman11 04-04-2014 10:10
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685983)
I agree that BT does not necessarily have to invest in its own channels, but I would be surprised if they did not do this with time. However, they do need to improve their channel/on demand offering to be in the same league as their main rivals.

Regarding the point that TV is secondary, I think you have to bear in mind that all the major players have three or four packages on offer, and it's cheaper for consumers to buy into services this way. Why transfer from Sky or Virgin to get BT's broadband if they have an inferior TV offering?

For this reason, I think that BT's TV service is in need of some attention if they want to increase the number of broadband customers.
BT YouView offers more than you think

http://decipherconsultancy.wordpress...sets-than-sky/

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 10:21
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35685994)
BT YouView offers more than you think

http://decipherconsultancy.wordpress...sets-than-sky/
I agree that BT are quite good on their on demand service (level pegging with VM) but BT's linear channel offering is well short of their main rivals. If this was compensated for by a much better on demand offering, this would make up for it, but they have much to do to rectify this.

muppetman11 04-04-2014 10:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685999)
I agree that BT are quite good on their on demand service (level pegging with VM) but BT's linear channel offering is well short of their main rivals. If this was compensated for by a much better on demand offering, this would make up for it, but they have much to do to rectify this.
Did you read the report ? How have you come to the conclusion of level pegging ?

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 10:50
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35686007)
Did you read the report ? How have you come to the conclusion of level pegging ?
Sorry, I misread that. Nevertheless, the report does say that the BT offering is 'followed closely' by VM. Therefore, this doesn't take away my point that the on demand offering by BT is insufficient to make up for its poor linear channel line-up.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 11:05
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35685983)
I agree that BT does not necessarily have to invest in its own channels, but I would be surprised if they did not do this with time. However, they do need to improve their channel/on demand offering to be in the same league as their main rivals.

Regarding the point that TV is secondary, I think you have to bear in mind that all the major players have three or four packages on offer, and it's cheaper for consumers to buy into services this way. Why transfer from Sky or Virgin to get BT's broadband if they have an inferior TV offering?

For this reason, I think that BT's TV service is in need of some attention if they want to increase the number of broadband customers.
I agree with your first paragraph, indeed this is the point that others and I have all been making. Regarding why would anyone move from Sky broadband to BT broadband, simples: BT Sport.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 11:08
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Interesting article here from the Telegraph. Looks like the Sky Sports/BT battle is going to get interesting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/m...spotlight.html

Both the biggest riser and the heaviest faller in London’s benchmark index were driven by analysts, who spurred notable moves by advising that investors steer clear of British Sky Broadcasting, and snap up shares in Tullow Oil.


On BSkyB, the message from the experts at HSBC was decidedly negative: There is pain in store for shareholders when the company goes head to head with rival BT Group, 1.7 cheaper at 381.6p, in the next auction for Premier League football rights.


Bidding for the three seasons, beginning with the 2016-17 campaign, is expected to start within the next 12 months and the rivalry between the two companies is likely to be ferocious.


But despite the threat, BSkyB shares have risen briskly since the start of the year, suggesting “that the company’s efforts to move investor’s focus on from concerns surrounding the competition for Premier League football rights has been successful,” the HSBC analysts said.

Nevertheless, that is likely to change as attention will soon “return to the risks of a further step-up in competitive intensity”.

The analysts expect one of two damaging outcomes from the forthcoming bidding. The first is that, while the status quo is unchanged and the “split of games is broadly similar”, there is “significant cost inflation” of about 35pc.

“This would become problematic for BSkyB if the inflation in the rights cost is high such that it is difficult to pass on to its sports subscribers.”

The second possibility is that BT succeeds in securing more rights, which would hit BSkyB’s football coverage and in turn the size of its subscriber base.

Worries about both possible outcomes are likely to return and weigh on BSkyB’s shares, the analysts warned clients, sending the broadcaster down 26½ to 892½p, a 2.9pc fall.

A similarly downbeat note from Oriel Securities didn’t help the broadcaster either, with analyst John Karidis arguing that, despite recent speculation, Vodafone is unlikely to buy BSkyB.

denphone 04-04-2014 11:16
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The great Behemoth finally meets his match and the end result will inevitably be higher prices for consumers methinks.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 11:30
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686028)
The great Behemoth finally meets his match and the end result will inevitably be higher prices for consumers methinks.
The article makes an interesting point on price rises "“This would become problematic for BSkyB if the inflation in the rights cost is high such that it is difficult to pass on to its sports subscribers.”

denphone 04-04-2014 11:46
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Yes l saw that Andrew and l personally think whether the rights costs are high or not that customers will be faced with price rises if they want to subscribe to premium channels and then there is the added problem possibly when Virgins deal with BT Sports runs out is what will happen then.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 11:49
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35686020)
I agree with your first paragraph, indeed this is the point that others and I have all been making. Regarding why would anyone move from Sky broadband to BT broadband, simples: BT Sport.
Not everyone is interested in sport and so adding additional general entertainment to the line up will help BT considerably in my opinion.

However, if BT succeed in getting more football rights with the next bidding process, this will surely be a major boost for them.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 12:01
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686038)
Yes l saw that Andrew and l personally think whether the rights costs are high or not that customers will be faced with price rises if they want to subscribe to premium channels and then there is the added problem possibly when Virgins deal with BT Sports runs out is what will happen then.
If Sky Sports thought it could charge more for its channels then it would do so now and not wait another year. I think Sky Sports has maximised its revenue here and is now trying to sell them to other people via Vodafone and Now TV.
I think it's too early to worry about the VM deal with BT Sport, I think we first need to know who wins what in the next Premiership rights auction to see how the various sports channels stack up. I doubt BeIn or EuroSport will be in the running but stranger things have been known to happen!

denphone 04-04-2014 12:07
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Personally l think unless a big outsider comes in l think the Premiership rights will be split right down the middle with regards to the next auction.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 12:19
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686044)
Personally l think unless a big outsider comes in l think the Premiership rights will be split right down the middle with regards to the next auction.
Very, very few people have time to watch every match that BT and Sky show so there is an argument that there would be no need to get both and BT Sport-Sky Sports rivalry would hold prices down. But until we know what packages are up for grabs and the bidders it's very early days!

denphone 04-04-2014 12:32
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l cannot see the prices staying even at he same level as they are now because if you look at any other market the general view is prices keep on going up and l see that as a trend which is highly likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

As for need not to subscribe to both channels the problem there is many of the most supported sides feature on both channels and thus many will subscribe to both.

greeninferno 04-04-2014 12:47
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686044)
Personally l think unless a big outsider comes in l think the Premiership rights will be split right down the middle with regards to the next auction.
Surely Sky can't let that happen?

BT already has the Champions League and Europa League matches after this current contract runs out , add in the FC cup and a 50/50 split -assuming the quality of the matches on each broadcaster was the same - leaves Sky looking like dreadful value for the money they charge.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 13:11
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Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35686054)
Surely Sky can't let that happen?

BT already has the Champions League and Europa League matches after this current contract runs out , add in the FC cup and a 50/50 split -assuming the quality of the matches on each broadcaster was the same - leaves Sky looking like dreadful value for the money they charge.
Sky are responsible for pushing up the cost of obtaining football rights in the first place, so I have no sympathy with Sky on that matter. They have overplayed their hand and very soon, they will have nowhere to go. What goes around comes around.

I really think that they will be thinking about collaboration with other companies now. It's the only thing that stacks up and this is what will lead to lower prices in the future.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 13:26
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686053)
l cannot see the prices staying even at he same level as they are now because if you look at any other market the general view is prices keep on going up and l see that as a trend which is highly likely to continue for the foreseeable future.
In some markets things go up all the time. But in others they don't - petrol and PVRs fell last year. I think looking at other markets outside pay-TV sports does not always work.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686053)
As for need not to subscribe to both channels the problem there is many of the most supported sides feature on both channels and thus many will subscribe to both.
Agreed, some will as they do at the moment but by having two equal packages there is more competition as they become closer substitutes. At the moment for the Premier League fan BT Sport is not a strong substitute for Sky Sports, it's merely an add-on.

denphone 04-04-2014 13:28
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Originally Posted by greeninferno (Post 35686054)
Surely Sky can't let that happen?

BT already has the Champions League and Europa League matches after this current contract runs out , add in the FC cup and a 50/50 split -assuming the quality of the matches on each broadcaster was the same - leaves Sky looking like dreadful value for the money they charge.
BT have deep pockets and those deep pockets are in it for the long run and if that means parking their tanks on Sky's lawns again then they will do that.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 14:59
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35686066)
In some markets things go up all the time. But in others they don't - petrol and PVRs fell last year. I think looking at other markets outside pay-TV sports does not always work.

Agreed, some will as they do at the moment but by having two equal packages there is more competition as they become closer substitutes. At the moment for the Premier League fan BT Sport is not a strong substitute for Sky Sports, it's merely an add-on.
Or as I mentioned previously, Sky and BT could join together to make the next bid to keep the price down. They could also make the content available on all platforms, on both a subscription and PPV basis. Otherwise, the cost will soon be unaffordable.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 15:35
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35686089)
Or as I mentioned previously, Sky and BT could join together to make the next bid to keep the price down. They could also make the content available on all platforms, on both a subscription and PPV basis. Otherwise, the cost will soon be unaffordable.
BT and Sky won't bid for sports rights which they feel are unaffordable to them. Premier League costs rose 50% in the last bidding but the cost of Sky Sports has not risen by anything like this amount.
The Premier League a) sells rights on an exclusive basis so a joint bid would count as one bidder b) won't sell all packages to one bidder. If BT and Sky did jointly bid then there are plenty of other companies willing to step into their shoes to compete against them - BeIn Sport, EuroSport etc. Maybe even Virgin Media. So, it would not be in their interests to collaborate.

denphone 04-04-2014 15:36
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There is more chance of aliens arriving on earth then of Sky and BT making a joint bid OB.

muppetman11 04-04-2014 16:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35686094)
BT and Sky won't bid for sports rights which they feel are unaffordable to them. Premier League costs rose 50% in the last bidding but the cost of Sky Sports has not risen by anything like this amount.
The Premier League a) sells rights on an exclusive basis so a joint bid would count as one bidder b) won't sell all packages to one bidder. If BT and Sky did jointly bid then there are plenty of other companies willing to step into their shoes to compete against them - BeIn Sport, EuroSport etc. Maybe even Virgin Media. So, it would not be in their interests to collaborate.
People are assuming BT want the majority of the football packages when in reality none of us know what BT's plans are going forward. BT may want to capture the lions share then again they may be happy with just one additional pack we really don't know.

Haven't BT already speculated that they could introduce a charge for BT Sport once the champions league contract kicks in ? People are very happy with BT Sport at the moment but then who wouldn't be when it's included if you take there BB products , once the champions league kicks in it will be interesting to see what changes as they have many options available for instance include free but only with top tier Infinity packages with the introduction of a small charge for those on cheaper BB packages. If BT's strategy is indeed to go for the lions share they are going to have to expect to pay a considerable amount in which case the free BT Sport will end all together in my opinion.

1andrew1 04-04-2014 16:29
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35686110)
People are assuming BT want the majority of the football packages when in reality none of us know what BT's plans are going forward. BT may want to capture the lions share then again they may be happy with just one additional pack we really don't know.

Haven't BT already speculated that they could introduce a charge for BT Sport once the champions league contract kicks in ? People are very happy with BT Sport at the moment but then who wouldn't be when it's included if you take there BB products , once the champions league kicks in it will be interesting to see what changes as they have many options available for instance include free but only with top tier Infinity packages with the introduction of a small charge for those on cheaper BB packages. If BT's strategy is indeed to go for the lions share they are going to have to expect to pay a considerable amount in which case the free BT Sport will end all together in my opinion.
Agree with a lot of what you say. BT's aim is to grow broadband subscriptions via inclusive BT Sport. If it wins too many Premiership rights then BT Sport becomes something else and they will have to find another way of recouping their costs. As you suggest, there's a whole host of charging possibilities.

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 19:17
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35686095)
There is more chance of aliens arriving on earth then of Sky and BT making a joint bid OB.
I know they don't want to, Den, but in the end it's the money that talks. Sharing the cost with another company would halve the cost of bidding in one go.

denphone 04-04-2014 19:26
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35686141)
I know they don't want to, Den, but in the end it's the money that talks. Sharing the cost with another company would halve the cost of bidding in one go.
l don't think some people realise the bitter enmity between these two heavyweights.

telegramsam 04-04-2014 19:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35686141)
I know they don't want to, Den, but in the end it's the money that talks. Sharing the cost with another company would halve the cost of bidding in one go.
Hell will freeze over before these 2 companies will work together. Only Virgin are more hated than BT,

OLD BOY 04-04-2014 20:15
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35686149)
Hell will freeze over before these 2 companies will work together. Only Virgin are more hated than BT,
Strewth!

muppetman11 07-04-2014 20:58
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BT poaches top BSkyB executive as football rights battle rages

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-tv-rights-war

Arthurgray50@blu 08-04-2014 15:22
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When does the football rights come up again. ? I have a very funny feeling that BT will try and outgun Sky.

I just wish they will get rid of that stupid logo on the bottom of the screen a,d that idiot Owen.

InformationMedia 08-04-2014 16:37
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I have heard a strong rumour that beIN Sport will be making a huge bid come the end of the year when the rights become available. i would not be to surprised to see Sky and beIN Sport outbid BT.

denphone 08-04-2014 16:47
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If that's the case then l expect the auction to bring in up to 40% to 50% extra in rights fees for the Premier League and that in turn means monthly sports subscription fees will rise and keep on rising.

1andrew1 08-04-2014 17:05
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35687033)
If that's the case then l expect the auction to bring in up to 40% to 50% extra in rights fees for the Premier League and that in turn means monthly sports subscription fees will rise and keep on rising.
I can't see the business case for beIN Sports entering the UK market as they will be squeezed between two large players who have the benefits of pay-TV/broadband to subsidise them. I appreciate beIN is backed by the Qatar government and it has a presence in France but it does own PSG there. If they do, I suspect it will be in co-operation with BT. There have been forum rumours that beIN would buy Setanta or Premier Sports but I'm sure everyone talks to everyone else and not necessarily about merging.
Prices for Sky Sports traditionally go up yearly by a small amount unrelated to Sky's sporting rights costs so I expect this to continue unless it loses significant rights. The last auction saw Sky's Premier League bill go up by 71%. It was unable to pass the costs of this rise onto its subscribers and if rights went up again by this amount I would only expect the small regular rise again.

denphone 08-04-2014 17:34
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35687040)
I can't see the business case for beIN Sports entering the UK market as they will be squeezed between two large players who have the benefits of pay-TV/broadband to subsidise them. I appreciate beIN is backed by the Qatar government and it has a presence in France but it does own PSG there. If they do, I suspect it will be in co-operation with BT. There have been forum rumours that beIN would buy Setanta or Premier Sports but I'm sure everyone talks to everyone else and not necessarily about merging.
Prices for Sky Sports traditionally go up yearly by a small amount unrelated to Sky's sporting rights costs so I expect this to continue unless it loses significant rights. The last auction saw Sky's Premier League bill go up by 71%. It was unable to pass the costs of this rise onto its subscribers and if rights went up again by this amount I would only expect the small regular rise again.
It might not have passed it on that much on its own platform but that certainly won't be the case when it comes to Virgins platform and its sports subscribers.

1andrew1 08-04-2014 18:24
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35687048)
It might not have passed it on that much on its own platform but that certainly won't be the case when it comes to Virgins platform and its sports subscribers.
It's not gone up by 71% on Virgin Media, I think it tends to go up by about 5%-10% a year. There's a few reasons why it can't pass the costs onto Virgin Media customers as you suggest it does:
1. Regulatory - the prices for the main channels are regulated by an Ofcom formula.
2. Sky's revenue from VM = number of subscribers x price. If it pushes up the price too much then the number of subscribers drops reducing its revenue.
3. If Sky was able to charge considerably more for Sky Sports whilst keeping the same number of subscribers, it would have done so already. Its owners, mainly pension funds (and Fox) would want it to maximise its profits so they can maximise theirs.
4. Pricing. Sky's pricing is pretty sophisticated, it undertakes extensive research so that it knows the most it can charge without losing significant numbers of subscribers. It's not, for example, a decorating business that looks at its costs then adds on 10%. Sky Sports' costs are pretty much fixed whether it broadcasts to one million or ten million people. It therefore needs to find the right point that gets the most revenue from a combination of price and subscriber numbers.

denphone 08-04-2014 18:48
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
l did not say it had gone up by 71% on Virgin Media Andrew as l think you misunderstood me but if it goes up by 10% each year you are still talking about a near on £4 rise a month for sports and movies and when you add the regular broadband and phone rental yearly rises into it as well then that's a considerable rise in people monthly bills.

muppetman11 08-04-2014 18:57
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35687072)
It's not gone up by 71% on Virgin Media, I think it tends to go up by about 5%-10% a year. There's a few reasons why it can't pass the costs onto Virgin Media customers as you suggest it does:
1. Regulatory - the prices for the main channels are regulated by an Ofcom formula.
2. Sky's revenue from VM = number of subscribers x price. If it pushes up the price too much then the number of subscribers drops reducing its revenue.
3. If Sky was able to charge considerably more for Sky Sports whilst keeping the same number of subscribers, it would have done so already. Its owners, mainly pension funds (and Fox) would want it to maximise its profits so they can maximise theirs.
4. Pricing. Sky's pricing is pretty sophisticated, it undertakes extensive research so that it knows the most it can charge without losing significant numbers of subscribers. It's not, for example, a decorating business that looks at its costs then adds on 10%. Sky Sports' costs are pretty much fixed whether it broadcasts to one million or ten million people. It therefore needs to find the right point that gets the most revenue from a combination of price and subscriber numbers.
It certainly does , blame me for the charges :D

1andrew1 08-04-2014 19:44
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35687089)
l did not say it had gone up by 71% on Virgin Media Andrew as l think you misunderstood me but if it goes up by 10% each year you are still talking about a near on £4 rise a month for sports and movies and when you add the regular broadband and phone rental yearly rises into it as well then that's a considerable rise in people monthly bills.
Totally agree they all add up.
What I want to pedantically highlight is that Sky is very sophisticated in its subscription pricing. Its subscription pricing for Sky Sports is not related to the costs of its sports rights as these costs don't vary per subscriber, they're fixed costs. It charges to get the most revenue it can which is a combination of price per subscriber x number of subscribers.
If its costs rose by 100% next year it would still charge the same amount, because if it increased the price per subscriber by 100% it would get far fewer subscribers so its revenue would be a lot less.
However, it is able to sneak in small price rises each year as it knows people accept a small annual rise, as their research shows this.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35687099)
It certainly does , blame me for the charges :D
;)

andy_m 09-04-2014 07:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35687040)
I can't see the business case for beIN Sports entering the UK market as they will be squeezed between two large players who have the benefits of pay-TV/broadband to subsidise them. I appreciate beIN is backed by the Qatar government and it has a presence in France but it does own PSG there. If they do, I suspect it will be in co-operation with BT. There have been forum rumours that beIN would buy Setanta or Premier Sports but I'm sure everyone talks to everyone else and not necessarily about merging.
Prices for Sky Sports traditionally go up yearly by a small amount unrelated to Sky's sporting rights costs so I expect this to continue unless it loses significant rights. The last auction saw Sky's Premier League bill go up by 71%. It was unable to pass the costs of this rise onto its subscribers and if rights went up again by this amount I would only expect the small regular rise again.
I would suggest that the business case is less about short term profit over the course of one rights cycle and more about gaining influence over the Premier League. The most significant opposition to a winter World Cup is from the Premier League (Qatar don't want one either but it might be the only way they keep hold of it), Qatar also want to stage an off season tournament consisting of Premier League teams and there has been talk about the possibility of a regular season match being played abroad, the so called "game39", which refuses to go away despite mass opposition.

On top of that, of course, is the fact that bein is a global network of channels, so might stand to gain from efficiencies by expanding. It's very possible that they are already in a position to produce Premier League matches for less than either Sky or BT.

1andrew1 09-04-2014 12:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35687245)
I would suggest that the business case is less about short term profit over the course of one rights cycle and more about gaining influence over the Premier League. The most significant opposition to a winter World Cup is from the Premier League (Qatar don't want one either but it might be the only way they keep hold of it), Qatar also want to stage an off season tournament consisting of Premier League teams and there has been talk about the possibility of a regular season match being played abroad, the so called "game39", which refuses to go away despite mass opposition.

On top of that, of course, is the fact that bein is a global network of channels, so might stand to gain from efficiencies by expanding. It's very possible that they are already in a position to produce Premier League matches for less than either Sky or BT.
Interesting points, thanks for posting.

muppetman11 10-04-2014 17:35
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http://www1.skysports.com/golf/news/...xtend-coverage

Quote:
Sky Sports will continue to show live coverage of the Masters from Augusta National thanks to a new multi-year agreement announced today.

The deal means that from 2015, Sky Sports will continue to be the only place in the UK to watch all four days of golf's first Major of the year.

denphone 10-04-2014 17:39
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Lets hope that it went out to a transparent tendering process.

Media Boy UK 10-04-2014 19:01
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
BBC: European Rugby Cup: Heineken Cup replacement gets go-ahead.

The new European Rugby Champions Cup to replace the Heineken Cup has been given the go-ahead to start next season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/26981154

Who got what?

Full information at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rug...xt-season.html

denphone 10-04-2014 19:11
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Good news but don't expect the two bitter rivals to be holding hands as one suspects there will be no ceasefire when it comes to other sports rights which will be coming up soon.

denphone 17-04-2014 09:47
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Rupert Murdoch believed to be involved in leading bid for Channel 5.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...-bid-channel-5

Chad 23-04-2014 12:36
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Some boxing added to the Premier Sports line-up. Tonight at 9pm, live from South Africa, they are showing Manchesters Martin Murray taking on Ishmael Tetteh.

denphone 25-04-2014 12:52
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35691699)
Some boxing added to the Premier Sports line-up. Tonight at 9pm, live from South Africa, they are showing Manchesters Martin Murray taking on Ishmael Tetteh.
Not for us l am afraid.:td:

OLD BOY 25-04-2014 12:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35692342)
Not for us l am afraid.:td:
Just as well, Den, you've missed it. ;)

denphone 25-04-2014 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35692343)
Just as well, Den, you've missed it. ;)
Sadly the days of boxing being FTA have long gone.

Chad 25-04-2014 14:09
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35692345)
Sadly the days of boxing being FTA have long gone.
Whilst not free to air, Wladimir Klitschko Vs. Alex Leapai is live on Eurosport tomorrow night. Tyson Fury is in the studio for the broadcast. It seems to be a Klitschko love in as ITV4 are showing the Klitschko movie this Sunday night too.

thenry 30-04-2014 18:00
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Quote:
Sky Sports has set new records for live Premier League football this season, with more fans enjoying its unrivalled coverage than ever before.

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/news...-league-season

Media Boy UK 30-04-2014 18:14
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BT extends Premier League offer for second season.

BT to keeps up pressure on Sky by offering BT Sport channels for free to its broadband customers in 2014/15.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...and-sky-sports

denphone 30-04-2014 18:19
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And this.

Quote:
It is expected to charge for access to Champions League soccer to help recoup that investment although details have not been disclosed.

Media Boy UK 30-04-2014 18:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35693975)
And this.
Maybe BT will buy Bid and Price Drop old channels numbers so that BT Sport UEFA 1 and BT Sport UEFA 2 can launch?

http://canismedia.co.uk/canis-media-...tv-channels-2/

spankysmagicpian 30-04-2014 19:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
thenry

Press release hyperbole before the results are released.

thenry 30-04-2014 19:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
When are the results released?

denphone 30-04-2014 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35694000)
When are the results released?
Tomorrow Sir.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35693999)
thenry

Press release hyperbole before the results are released.
And Sky are experts at hyperbole.

colin25 30-04-2014 19:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694005)
Tomorrow Sir.

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And Sky are experts at hyperbole.
As are Virgin...balance is needed Den :)

denphone 30-04-2014 19:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35694008)
As are Virgin...balance is needed Den :)
Indeed but we are talking about Sky in this conversation dear chap.:D

Risco 30-04-2014 22:26
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So any news on F1HD or Sky Sports News HD? :erm:

Media Boy UK 30-04-2014 22:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Risco (Post 35694098)
So any news on F1HD or Sky Sports News HD? :erm:
All I will say is - Sky Sports F1 HD may launch by June. Sky Sports News HD may also launch on the same day.

For the latest keep an eye on any 'Coming Soon to Virgin Media (2014)' thread.

Risco 30-04-2014 23:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35694099)
All I will say is - Sky Sports F1 HD may launch by June. Sky Sports News HD may also launch on the same day.

For the latest keep an eye on any 'Coming Soon to Virgin Media (2014)' thread.
That is good enough for me! Cheers.

colin25 01-05-2014 05:28
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694009)
Indeed but we are talking about Sky in this conversation dear chap.:D
No, we are talking about ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news (see thread title). Hence I am not wrong to bring virgin into the "conversation" as you have with sky.

denphone 01-05-2014 07:54
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Growth in cost base pulls profits down at BSkyB.

http://www.stockmarketwire.com/artic...-at-BSkyB.html

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...oadband-now-tv

Quote:
BSkyB also announced a renewal of its deal with Paramount, giving the company exclusive UK pay-TV rights to films such as Anchorman 2 and Noah.
Quote:
BSkyB said it has renewed deals with five out of the six major Hollywood studios, leaving just 20th Century Fox which has a number of years left to run on its existing deal.

muppetman11 01-05-2014 11:04
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694151)
This is interesting as well

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post2504.html

denphone 01-05-2014 11:41
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35694198)
Indeed it is MM but at time of posting l did not have that information.

Its a pity that Now TV is not on the PS3 as well.

muppetman11 01-05-2014 12:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694216)
Indeed it is MM but at time of posting l did not have that information.

Its a pity that Now TV is not on the PS3 as well.
Its been on PS3 for ages Den.

denphone 01-05-2014 12:33
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35694225)
Its been on PS3 for ages Den.
Then l must be blind as well as thick dear chap.:D

nstokes 01-05-2014 13:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35694099)
All I will say is - Sky Sports F1 HD may launch by June. Sky Sports News HD may also launch on the same day.
Personally cant see it happning

denphone 01-05-2014 13:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35694246)
Personally cant see it happning
Has the legendary Dave been giving you pessimism tips dear chap.;):D

Dave42 01-05-2014 14:09
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694251)
Has the legendary Dave been giving you pessimism tips dear chap.;):D
oi realist Den realist

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35694246)
Personally cant see it happning
me either still say we not get any more sky channels

nstokes 01-05-2014 14:21
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35694251)
Has the legendary Dave been giving you pessimism tips dear chap.;):D
Nope just my wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35694288)
oi realist Den realist
agreed

1andrew1 02-05-2014 01:16
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35694225)
Its been on PS3 for ages Den.
Indeed. Give your feedback on the PS3 app here.

---------- Post added at 01:16 ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35694246)
Personally cant see it happning
Next week could be interesting.

nstokes 03-05-2014 11:58
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35694479)
Next week could be interesting.
I agree. I was even thinking about going back to Virgin Media when my current Sky contract runs out so I checked to see if I can get Virgin but Virgin doesn't cover my postcode

1andrew1 03-05-2014 12:02
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35694749)
I agree. I was even thinking about going back to Virgin Media when my current Sky contract runs out so I checked to see if I can get Virgin but Virgin doesn't cover my postcode
Forget Sky Atlantic or the remaining sports channels in HD; that's Virgin's major weakness. 50% of the UK are ruled out as VM customers.

denphone 03-05-2014 12:07
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35694479)
Indeed. Give your feedback on the PS3 app here.

---------- Post added at 01:16 ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 ----------

Next week could be interesting.
Lets hope that is the case Andrew as thus so far this year we have had hefty price rises with nowt delivered.

telegramsam 03-05-2014 14:28
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I wonder how this will work out on virgin for us that currently get BT Sport and ESPN included in your package? I love champions league football but wouldn`t pay extra for it:mad:

denphone 03-05-2014 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35694790)
I wonder how this will work out on virgin for us that currently get BT Sport and ESPN included in your package? I love champions league football but wouldn`t pay extra for it:mad:
Yes it will be interesting how this plays out as Virgin will be in a bit of a quandary of what to do once CL football arrives on BT Sport as there is no doubt that BT will want more money for their content.

solitaire 04-05-2014 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35694790)
I wonder how this will work out on virgin for us that currently get BT Sport and ESPN included in your package? I love champions league football but wouldn`t pay extra for it:mad:
Same here, I have an inbuilt aversion to paying extra for content as well as a subscription. The companies get enough money out of subscribers already.

Chad 05-05-2014 14:01
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
This is a decent new collection from Virgin Media:

http://store.virginmedia.com/bundles...ly-sports.html

Also includes Netflix free for 6 months. Reasonable price all round.

denphone 05-05-2014 14:10
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
A good offer but it is a pity they don't have offers for their most loyal customers though.

Dash: CF noob 05-05-2014 14:29
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Think i may be being robbed!

Mad Max 05-05-2014 15:32
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35695324)
A good offer but it is a pity they don't have offers for their most loyal customers though.
I was on to them last week Den, got movies and sports reduced by 50% for the next three months, paid my telephone line rental for the full year saving approx £65, and got a £10 per month loyalty discount for 12 months also. All in all saving me approx £18 per month.

Chad 10-05-2014 12:56
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BT Sports have a broadcast deal with the SPFL to televise 30 SPL games per year up until 2017. As it stands today it looks like the SPFL will not be able to meet that commitment. Hibernian refused to allow BT Sports to televise their final game of the season with Kilmarnock today meaning BT Sports will finish the season with only 29 games televised under their 30 game agreement.

Full story:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/h...marnock-match/

It is suspected SPFL will offer BT Sports one of the Premiership play off games to compensate however this will no doubt infuriate SKY who have already used their allocation of 30 games under their own contract with the SPFL. It's understood that the newly created play off fixtures do not feature in either broadcasters current broadcast deals, which are for league fixtures only.

Yet another farce surrounding Scottish football. It's easy to see why they've been unable to attract a league sponsor all season.

telegramsam 10-05-2014 13:16
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35696872)
BT Sports have a broadcast deal with the SPFL to televise 30 SPL games per year up until 2017. As it stands today it looks like the SPFL will not be able to meet that commitment. Hibernian refused to allow BT Sports to televise their final game of the season with Kilmarnock today meaning BT Sports will finish the season with only 29 games televised under their 30 game agreement.

Full story:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/h...marnock-match/

It is suspected SPFL will offer BT Sports one of the Premiership play off games to compensate however this will no doubt infuriate SKY who have already used their allocation of 30 games under their own contract with the SPFL. It's understood that the newly created play off fixtures do not feature in either broadcasters current broadcast deals, which are for league fixtures only.

Yet another farce surrounding Scottish football. It's easy to see why they've been unable to attract a league sponsor all season.
Unbelieveable that Hibs have denied BT sport the right to show their match today. No doubt they will be more than happy to take the tv money next season though `eh

Chad 10-05-2014 13:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35696879)
Unbelieveable that Hibs have denied BT sport the right to show their match today. No doubt they will be more than happy to take the tv money next season though `eh
As per the article on the STV website Hibernian have fulfilled their contract obligations in terms of the number of fixtures televised from Easter Road. Apparently Hibernian where open to the game being broadcast, but wanted a one off payment for doing so. BT Sports refused to pay. It's crazy as the Hibernian Vs. Kilmarnock game is the season finale showcase game as it decides who will finish in the relegation play-off position. All the other fixtures over the weekend pretty much mean diddly squat.

colin25 10-05-2014 14:01
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35696887)
As per the article on the STV website Hibernian have fulfilled their contract obligations in terms of the number of fixtures televised from Easter Road. Apparently Hibernian where open to the game being broadcast, but wanted a one off payment for doing so. BT Sports refused to pay. It's crazy as the Hibernian Vs. Kilmarnock game is the season finale showcase game as it decides who will finish in the relegation play-off position. All the other fixtures over the weekend pretty much mean diddly squat.
Strictly speaking the Hibs vs kilmarnock means diddly squat, except to the fans of those teams, and me, who is cheering kilmarnock :)

Chad 10-05-2014 14:25
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35696889)
Strictly speaking the Hibs vs kilmarnock means diddly squat, except to the fans of those teams, and me, who is cheering kilmarnock :)
As a Rangers fan I'm really looking forward to next season. Will be great to go up against Hearts again and would love for Hibs to come down also.

I wonder if BT or SKY will negotiate a deal to pick up some Scottish Championship games next year? Between them they have the rights to pick up 15 Rangers games however there is no way the Edinburgh derby, if Hibs get relegated, should face a TV blackout. The end of season play-offs from the Championship next season could be tasty too. There surely would be a demand for the likes of Hearts Vs. Falkirk to be televised also. The Bairns Vs. The Jambos has always been a fun fixture.

The Championship in Scotland will be the league to watch. We all know Celtic have won the season next year before this season has ever ended! I can't wait..... as long as my team don't go bust again :D

Arthurgray50@blu 10-05-2014 22:31
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Does this mean that Rangers are just one season away from SPL again - as long as the SPL find another way of blocking them from playing Celtic again.

Chad 11-05-2014 00:45
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35696963)
Does this mean that Rangers are just one season away from SPL again - as long as the SPL find another way of blocking them from playing Celtic again.
Potentially yes however if the league has both Hearts and Hibernian in there next year, along with either Falkirk or Hamilton, I think Rangers might struggle.

colin25 11-05-2014 07:29
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35696963)
Does this mean that Rangers are just one season away from SPL again - as long as the SPL find another way of blocking them from playing Celtic again.
Arthur, the only one that blocked rangers from playing in scottish premiership, was rangers. Spending money you don't have tends to do that.

DaMac 11-05-2014 11:32
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Good on Hibs, after reading that they where totally within their rights to demand an extra payment.


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