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RichardCoulter 21-01-2019 18:37

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35980256)
Ah back to the old xenophobia.

And back to the old well worn cliches. IMO most people in the UK (of all types of races) are, to various extents, unhappy with the quality and quantity of immigrants for various reasons.

Thankfully, we've moved on since concerns about this were able to be silenced by accusations of racism, xenophobia et al.

jfman 21-01-2019 18:40

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I actually quite like the xenophobic arguments for Brexit. At least they’re honest about not liking foreigners, despite the economic fact that EU migrants are net contributors to society. Indeed, if any party wanted to they could have operated greater controls on both EU and non-EU migration but didn’t.

The “great trade deals” arguments are generally dishonest, but at least the xenophobes generally front up about their ignorance. It’s quite refreshing in a way.

denphone 21-01-2019 19:13

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35980216)

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

That is usually the thinking by those who can't see further then their nose.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35980216)
Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

Most of them are younger and fitter and as such don't really use the NHS as they are in good health

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35980216)

Have they? I thought they just came over here took our jobs, caused increasing pressures onto the NHS. and were otherwise just generally up too nefarious activities.

Nothing like blaming good old Johnny Foreigner for all our country's great ills.

papa smurf 21-01-2019 19:17

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35980256)
Ah back to the old xenophobia.

Sounds like a foreign word;)

Hugh 21-01-2019 20:29

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35980266)
Sounds like a foreign word;)

Well, considering that English has it’s roots in ancient German, with later additions from Norman (a variant of French), Latin, Greek, that’s not really surprising... ;)

nomadking 21-01-2019 20:32

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35980266)
Sounds like a foreign word;)

The fact that we readily include foreign words and phrases into our culture is yet another example of the fact we are anything but xenophobic.

Pierre 21-01-2019 20:56

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35980210)
She has said nothing new that's of significant importance whatsoever.

Well she’s ruled out a 2nd referendum!

Damien 21-01-2019 20:58

Re: Brexit
 
A whole bunch of amendments have been put today for next week's vote. I can't be bothered to post them other than to say it's gonna be a long afternoon next week. It seems the Remainers are basically pushing each option to see which stands the most chance of success before falling in behind it assuming May's own deal fails again.

RichardCoulter 21-01-2019 20:59

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35980258)
I actually quite like the xenophobic arguments for Brexit. At least they’re honest about not liking foreigners, despite the economic fact that EU migrants are net contributors to society. Indeed, if any party wanted to they could have operated greater controls on both EU and non-EU migration but didn’t.

The “great trade deals” arguments are generally dishonest, but at least the xenophobes generally front up about their ignorance. It’s quite refreshing in a way.

Money isn't the only thing that people consider when forming their views on immigration. Not all are net contributors to the coffers anyway and, as I said before, the data on this doesn't paint the full picture.

I don't recall anybody saying that they "didn't like foreigners", that would be a very juvenile way of looking at it. I've employed one or two myself.

jfman 21-01-2019 21:04

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It’s not about money for some, you’re right.

It’s essentially racism. The “full picture” as you put it simply the fact they are foreign.

Not everyone born in this country is a net contributor, so that’s a red herring. Impacts on poverty, housing or the NHS are sideshows to the reality that austerity is cutting public services as that’s Conservative ideology.

mrmistoffelees 21-01-2019 21:15

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35980255)
You clearly aren't interested in having a serious adult debate about the subject as I initially believed, so let's leave it there as this is a non productive use of our time.


Agreed, let me know when you’re prepared to accept the facts as preeented to you

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35980281)
Well she’s ruled out a 2nd referendum!

Did she ? Explicitly ? I thought the words used were ‘I believe’ ?

Hugh 21-01-2019 21:21

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35980283)
Money isn't the only thing that people consider when forming their views on immigration. Not all are net contributors to the coffers anyway and, as I said before, the data on this doesn't paint the full picture.

I don't recall anybody saying that they "didn't like foreigners", that would be a very juvenile way of looking at it. I've employed one or two myself.

Well done, Richard.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35980278)
The fact that we readily include foreign words and phrases into our culture is yet another example of the fact we are anything but xenophobic.

The fact that we readily used the words ‘Blitz’ and ‘Gestapo’ during WW2 is yet another example of the fact we were anything but enemies to the Nazis...

Chris 21-01-2019 21:31

Re: Brexit
 
The IMF thinks the U.K’s economy will grow faster than Germany and Italy over the next two years (and be on a par with France). Joint 3rd in the G7 after the USA and Canada. #despitebrexit. ;)

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/...com-TW-WEO0119

1andrew1 21-01-2019 21:40

Re: Brexit
 
Two reasons why I doubt a no-deal:
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BREXIT LIVE: May hit by TRADE DISASTER - shock Border Force warning sparks freight concern
A NO-DEAL Brexit will plunge cross-Channel freight trade into a deep crisis, according to a Border Force document omitted from public no-deal documentation.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...irish-backstop
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IMF reluctant to make UK economic forecasts amid Brexit uncertainty
The IMF said that a no-deal Brexit was a “potential trigger” for a global economic slowdown, adding that it was reluctant to make any economic forecasts for the UK.
In the latest update to its World Economic Outlook, the IMF left its UK economic growth forecast for 2019 unchanged at 1.5 per cent, but said there was “substantial uncertainty” around this prediction.
https://www.ft.com/content/f3f00f8e-...7-97e4dbd3580d

Mr K 21-01-2019 21:43

Re: Brexit
 
So Plan B is Plan A again ! :D.

Must be a policy of ' it'll sort itself out somehow.... '.


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