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SimonHickling 15-05-2008 22:48

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I'll admit, I've had a beer or two, but I'm sure I saw a mention of Phorm on the big screen at the Carlisle - Leeds match on Sky tonight.

Anyone with less blurry eyes able to conphirm?

Kursk 15-05-2008 22:58

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Delaney (Post 34553234)
Check out this site - I wonder if OIX serve any of these ads:
http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/advertising_future/page1
:D
EDIT: There's a Phorm ad half way down this page - http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/advertising_future/page3

Lol cool :) Uuum..that Wipe-O-matic, can you get one yet? Not for me honest, for a friend.... :erm:

vicz 15-05-2008 23:28

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
At last! Well we've being trying to get various phorm stories onto digg but none have managed to get more than a few diggs. However, now the NebuAd / Charter story has made it into the digg top 10 http://digg.com/tech_news/Watch_Out_..._Do_On_The_Web

warescouse 16-05-2008 00:33

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 34553251)
Lol cool :) Uuum..that Wipe-O-matic, can you get one yet? Not for me honest, for a friend.... :erm:

There may well be a few BT executives involved in the illegal Phorm trials that may be interested as well.

Tharrick 16-05-2008 00:39

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 34553229)
Zero Wing is an all time classic...I'm glad you mentioned it!! :hyper:

Anyone here actually played the game? It's a bit naff :P

Paul Delaney 16-05-2008 01:17

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...er_and_nebuad/

Quote:

opt-out has become the norm for all targeting on the Internet.
Arrogant Get!




Had to comment on that...

;)

mark777 16-05-2008 01:30

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Interesting to compare this from Simon D, 80/20

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post5603.html

with this from BT forum. Peter N, 4.40pm, May 15

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=21653#21653

"I said it previously...

Rather than have an opt-in/opt-out process, Bt should offer Webwise as a browser add-on - maybe a nice little toolbar - and people who want it can download it and agree to a EULA. All of the monitoring and data analysis could be done on the user's own PC. The application could then request adverts accordingly when webpages are accessed from Phorm's customers.
...."

I wonder if 80/20 have drawn some conclusions that Kent does not like?

Paul Delaney 16-05-2008 01:49

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34553301)
Interesting to compare this from Simon D, 80/20

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post5603.html

with this from BT forum. Peter N, 4.40pm, May 15

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=21653#21653

"I said it previously...

Rather than have an opt-in/opt-out process, Bt should offer Webwise as a browser add-on - maybe a nice little toolbar - and people who want it can download it and agree to a EULA. All of the monitoring and data analysis could be done on the user's own PC. The application could then request adverts accordingly when webpages are accessed from Phorm's customers.
...."

I wonder if 80/20 have drawn some conclusions that Kent does not like?

Yeah I read that and immediately thought MyWay.MyWebSearch, CoolWebSearch, FunWebProducts (all toolbar based spyware/adware) :shocked:

Who in their right mind would install a parasite like that? Normally this stuff ends up on a machine because it's silently installed running from malicious javascript on an "injected" web page!

You don't think Simon offered that to Phorm as a legal alternative do you?

Wow...

mark777 16-05-2008 02:06

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Delaney (Post 34553303)
Yeah I read that and immediately thought MyWay.MyWebSearch, CoolWebSearch, FunWebProducts (all toolbar based spyware/adware) :shocked:

Who in their right mind would install a parasite like that? Normally this stuff ends up on a machine because it's silently installed running from malicious javascript on an "injected" web page!

You don't think Simon offered that to Phorm as a legal alternative do you?

Wow...

It's an option for people who genuinely want a more targetted advertising experience. :angel:

It does hit the nail on the head though. If people wanted this, they would opt-in and download. Why do it any other way, unless of course, they don't want it.

Paul Delaney 16-05-2008 02:19

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mark777 (Post 34553306)
It's an option for people who genuinely want a more targetted advertising experience. :angel:

God - that could've come straight from K*nts "My Little Book of Spin"

:D

popper 16-05-2008 02:24

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
just one step away from the (phorm/NebuAd)DPI kit perhaps...

OC it's unlikely anyone would be advertising any of those DPI 0day POC.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/15/router_rootkit/
Rootkits on routers threat to be demoed

Networks own3d

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Published Thursday 15th May 2008 22:42 GMT

Security researchers have devised a rootkit capable of covertly monitoring and controlling Cisco routers.

Sebastian Muniz, of Core Security, plans to demo Cisco IOS rootkit software he developed during a presentation at the EuSecWest conference in London on 22 May.
...
"

Anonymouse 16-05-2008 06:41

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Oh, Jesus wept! Even routers aren't safe now? What the hell?

And how will they know that there are no malware writers attending the demo? This would be a dream come true for them - how the hell would you detect a router rootkit?

Reading that article makes me glad my router's made by US Robotics, not Cisco. :shocked:

Dephormation 16-05-2008 07:03

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Fun for Friday...

A team of UK Technologists have solved the ISP spyware problem for content owners with a new 'opt in' standard...

www.parasitestxt.org


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3x2 16-05-2008 07:29

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:

Simplistic behavioural targetting systems might even conclude, via keyword analysis, that end-users have an obsessive interest in viewing advertisements.
:)

Rchivist 16-05-2008 07:57

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Life is warming up on BT forums.

My emails to BT are dying in the spam filtering system but not if I change the From address - so I've got about 10 more opportunities to email them then I run out!

The direction over on BT Beta is now to target the legal department of BT as it seems they may have been left out of the loop till recently.

I've posted a list of things to write to them about over on Beta Forums and there is a post there with further details.

Chief Counsel Commercial Law (Consumer), BT Retail, BT Centre, pp B8D, 81 Newgate Street, London, EC1A 7AJ

Non BT customers who have an interest as website owners can also write in.

Remember that the latest "best before" BT trial date is 26th May with 24 hours notice so write in asap - I think we can delay it again.


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