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serial 14-05-2008 23:59
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg..........
This topic fired up on the web, blogs etc, then calmed but never subsided. We now have questions asked in parliament and at the european commission. This initial web based fight has been brought forward into real political/legal discussion. We have already changed the launch of the "legal" BT trials, we have already changed CPW to go opt-in and we have possibly changed Virgin to drop Phorm.

warescouse 15-05-2008 00:02
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by serial (Post 34552358)
This topic fired up on the web, blogs etc, then calmed but never subsided. We now have questions asked in parliament and at the european commission. This initial web based fight has been brought forward into real political/legal discussion. We have already changed the launch of the "legal" BT trials, we have already changed CPW to go opt-in and we have possibly changed Virgin to drop Phorm.
Well said ..... :clap:

Paul Delaney 15-05-2008 00:03
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg.
It's their move

We've got nothing to do but wait so why not chew the fat?

Don't forget that nothing, yet, has been implemented, even the ICO cannot, as they've already stated, make any further judgements until they can assess the product whilst it's being trialled...

Until something happens, there is no Webwise / Phorm, it's all just words and Kent's propaganda isn't it?

It's their turn to throw the stone and get the pool to ripple

Only then will they give us more ammunition –

I just think that right now the ISP's are wondering how they're going to pull this off without breaking a whole load of laws, knowing that they can no longer depend on nobody noticing, which, from what has transpired, they were kind of relying on when they were first approached by Phorm.


Bring it on...

warescouse 15-05-2008 00:06
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
And while I am clapping, two for Alexander Hanff as well for his tireless efforts on this forum.:clap::clap:

roadrunner69 15-05-2008 00:17
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phormic Acid (Post 34552357)
The joys of keyword matching. On the BadPhorm forum, serial has already suggested a most-inappropriately-placed-ad competition, to provide light relief for anyone who gets caught up in a Phorm trial.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200804240018

Bloody priceless :)
Its gonna have to be good to beat that.

Dephormation 15-05-2008 00:17
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg.
Stop being so spineless :)

Get a grip.

There is nothing to fight yet. So you build defences. Gather intelligence. Prepare your countermeasures. Rehearse and test your offensive/defensive strategy. Ignore the enemy bait and misdirection. And strike hard when the anticipated opportunities are presented.

Currently BT have been unable to make a single effective move, so powerful has the campaign against them been.

So let me ask you this question instead; where's the heat gone out of BT and Virgin's fight?

Sucks to be you BT and Virgin :)

Pete

Florence 15-05-2008 00:18
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34552368)
And while I am clapping, two for Alexander Hanff as well for his tireless efforts on this forum.:clap::clap:
No one can argue with that one Alexander has been relentless in the battle to protect individuals from being phormed,classified and edited.


:clap::clap:

Phormic Acid 15-05-2008 00:27
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Delaney (Post 34552364)
It's their move

We've got nothing to do but wait so why not chew the fat?
Unfortunately, the Internet abhors a vacuum and is starting to fill that vacuum with guff. For example, look at the article Your Privacy for Sale: Internet Providers Cash In.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/23.png In fact it is already being used by three of the biggest Internet Service Providers in the UK … BT, Talk Talk and Virgin Media are currently using this software… https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/24.png
:rolleyes:

warescouse 15-05-2008 00:29
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roadrunner69 (Post 34552372)
http://www.newstatesman.com/200804240018

Bloody priceless :)
Its gonna have to be good to beat that.
That is the big problem with adverts decided by parsing text.

Anti gun web pages vs pro gun web pages in America. They will both get the pro gun adverts! (you don't make money with anti gun adverts)

roadrunner69 15-05-2008 00:34
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if the Government would support such deployment as it would tie in nicely with their anti-terrorist paranoia
If the phorm/webwise system goes ahead I suspect it will only hurry the deployment of a secure https web...something this (or any other) government would probably rather not have.

Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg.
Having read the replies to your post do your still feel as though the heart has gone out of the fight?

Paul Delaney 15-05-2008 00:42
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by roadrunner69 (Post 34552372)
http://www.newstatesman.com/200804240018

Bloody priceless :)
Its gonna have to be good to beat that.
How's this for Horrific (men you have been warned)

http://feministing.com/archives/003498.html

:shocked:


(I thought of this place immediately ads from there I would not want to see but if it's OTT I'll edit!)

warescouse 15-05-2008 00:53
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Delaney (Post 34552387)
How's this for Horrific (men you have been warned)

http://feministing.com/archives/003498.html

:shocked:


(I thought of this place immediately ads from there I would not want to see but if it's OTT I'll edit!)
I think its a little OTT but if we could devise a lie detector test with this placed in a certain persons renal area with the device designed to trigger when economic truths or outright lies were spoken verbally or in electronic 'form' I would turn a blind eye.

roadrunner69 15-05-2008 00:58
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34552394)
I think its a little OTT but if we could devise a lie detector test with this placed in a certain persons renal area with the device designed to trigger when economic truths or outright lies were spoken verbally or in electronic 'form' I would turn a blind eye.
That'd make Kents eyes water :D
Live webcast?

mark777 15-05-2008 02:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by warescouse (Post 34552394)
I think its a little OTT but if we could devise a lie detector test with this placed in a certain persons renal area with the device designed to trigger when economic truths or outright lies were spoken verbally or in electronic 'form' I would turn a blind eye.
Required lie-detector could be a simple motion sensor attached to his lips.;)

Rchivist 15-05-2008 07:17
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by basa (Post 34552309)
Let’s face it, you can chew the fat forever and a day about the deployment of the Phorm/Webwise software, but I feel it will change nothing. The heat has gone out of the fight both here and at El Reg.

It's the quiet times that are the most interesting. It's when the answers to the emails DON'T come back quickly that you know things are happening. It's when the trials get delayed, that you know there is a LOT going on.

Never misread the silence - it might be nine months pregnant.


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