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Mr K 21-05-2023 09:50
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.

She asked rhe questlon, 'can I have special treatment as I'm not one of the riff raff?'

1andrew1 21-05-2023 10:16
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.
I'm afraid you can't pin Braverman's potential Ministerial Code-breaking on the Opposition, Seph. It's not one rule for Ministers whose policies you like and another one for other Ministers that you don't. The Code is there for a good reason.

From the report in The Sunday Times, it appears she may have broken the Ministerial Code. Therefore, the matter should be properly investigated. If it's found that she broke the Code, then she should pay the appropriate penalty. The longer she tries to bury it without an enquiry, the longer it will drag on.

denphone 21-05-2023 10:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152291)

We are looking at pure vulture journalism here and I’m surprised that you’ve taken this up. She understandably didn’t want the points, didn’t understandably want to sit on the public course and validly asked the questions. Labour are being disgusting here.

l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..

OLD BOY 21-05-2023 10:43
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Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.

Mr K 21-05-2023 10:47
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
Perhaps the ministerial code should just say 'dont be a d*ck?' Covers most things, stil be tricky for them to understand though.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 10:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
I don't think it's the code that's at fault, Old Boy. ;)

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152297)
l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..
Exactly.

At the end of the day, it's a role of the media and Opposition to hold the Government and its Ministers to account. They are some of the tools of an open and democratic society.

Having MPs interview fellow MPs as we've seen on GB News is not the right direction to go.

Hugh 21-05-2023 12:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36152299)
Perhaps the Ministerial Code needs reviewing. It is bogging us all down with trivia.
Perhaps it’s the Ministers that need reviewing. They keep bogging us all down with trivia.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 13:28
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36152297)
l wonder how you would feel if it was a politician from any of the other political parties.

Would you still have the same sentiments then..

Of course I would. A speeding fine and seeking to avoid as HS sitting in a public setting for 3 hours is trivia. The opposition put on such a serious face when complaining but this is pure trivia, as OB says.

Paul 21-05-2023 16:26
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Yes, I mean wow, such a big deal over nothing really.
I'm surprised they didnt just attack her for speeding in the first place.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 20:26
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152327)
Yes, I mean wow, such a big deal over nothing really.
I'm surprised they didnt just attack her for speeding in the first place.
We're not a fledgling democracy where these things get swept under the carpet. We have a proud democratic tradition that requires our elected politicians to follow the Ministerial Code. We have the right to investigate if it appears that they have broken it.

Democracy gets damaged if the electorate becomes cynical and believes there's one rule for politicians and another for the general public. That's why upholding the Ministerial Code is important.

Paul 21-05-2023 20:32
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What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 20:47
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152349)
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.
Not only that, the Sunday Times wrongly accused her of trying to avoid a speeding fine. Not at all true - the fine is transferred to paying £100 for the course.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 21:34
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36152349)
What rule says the general public cant ask for a private awareness course ?

They can, and will likely get the same answer - No.
An important difference is that Suella is the boss of the civil servants she asked the request of, thus placing them in a difficult situation. That's one of the reasons why the Ministerial Code exists.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152350)
Not only that, the Sunday Times wrongly accused her of trying to avoid a speeding fine. Not at all true - the fine is transferred to paying £100 for the course.
The Sunday Times is not accusing her of trying to avoid a speeding fine in itself as they add the phrase "by arranging a private..."
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Suella Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoid a speeding fine and points on her licence by arranging a private one-to-one driving awareness course.
I think a better wording would be "Suella Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoid her speeding offence becoming public knowledge by asking civil servants to arrange her driving awareness course in private with no members of the public in attendance.

Sephiroth 21-05-2023 21:48
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The Sunday Times paper headline said:

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Braverman asked civil servants to help her avoiding a speeding fine

She wanted a private speed awareness course
This is mischievous reporting because it's the headline.

1andrew1 21-05-2023 22:06
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36152355)
The Sunday Times paper headline said:

This is mischievous reporting because it's the headline.
Probably there just to sell newspapers knowing Braverman wouldn't challenge it.

She's been far from honest with the press. Her representatives denied she had ever received a speeding ticket!

As Sky News says, it's pop corn week on Monday with questions to the Home Secretary on Monday and immigration data on Thursday which are expected to show net legal migration at a record 800,000.

And before that, more suggestions being reported that Braverman - like BoJo - feels rules are for the little people.
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Suella Braverman tried to get out of the final Commons vote on the government’s small boats bill despite Conservative MPs being instructed to attend, the Guardian has learned.

The home secretary’s aides sent multiple emails over the course of several days to the Tory whips’ office requesting that she be “slipped”, or permitted to miss, the third reading of her department’s flagship legislation.

Sources said the chief whip, Simon Hart, eventually had to call Braverman directly to instruct her to attend the vote on the illegal migration bill, which had a three-line whip. They claimed that Braverman had wanted to visit a police station instead.

One Tory insider said: “The chief is at his wit’s end with Suella. She just thinks she can do what she wants. Her office was really hassling the whips’ admin team to allow her to miss the third reading vote for what appeared to be a picture opportunity.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...62b6760a&ei=30

Sunak needs to get a grip. Where is the promised “integrity, professionalism and accountability” he promised?


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