Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040606)

There was a University that in the name of equality:rolleyes:, paid men a LOWER hourly rate than the women. The men were expected to work for more hours and more days for the same annual salary as the women. The jobs the men were doing were ones that the women couldn't and wouldn't do.


How many women are clearing out fat bergs in the sewer system? How many women on the refuse collection rounds? The list goes on and on.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040603)

I call "shenanigans"...

The Universities that have outsourced cleaning also usually outsource the maintenance, porters, and security work (all low paid, but most maintenance, porters, and security staff are mostly male, so balances out the cleaning staff) - also, most Universities' Gender Pay Gap & Equal Pay Report is also by pay grade and staff category, not just the overall gap; for instance, see Strathclyde's report

btw, I worked at 3 different Universities over a 10 year period (at a senior level) and never saw, or attended, a cocktail party - bit of inverse grading snobbery occurring in that jibe, methinks... ;)

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly demonstrating how ill-judged our current equality laws are.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36040608)

Head porter? or security guard.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040606)

There was a University that in the name of equality:rolleyes:, paid men a LOWER hourly rate than the women. The men were expected to work for more hours and more days for the same annual salary as the women. The jobs the men were doing were ones that the women couldn't and wouldn't do.


How many women are clearing out fat bergs in the sewer system? How many women on the refuse collection rounds? The list goes on and on.

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36040596)

OK so this is a true story. A few years ago Theresa May ordered companies to publish their wages gaps. So the HR departments in universities went to work to calculate their wage gaps. To their horror they found a large wage gap.
So it seems that the highest paid positions (Professors) skew male and the lowest paid positions (cleaners) skew female. How could this be? Could they be relentless bigots? Could the labour markets be skewed, it matters not, the wage gap does not care when the results are published. How to fix this? You can't sack the professors, that would be illegal and leave you with no university. You can't pull a load of female professors from no where. So what to do?

Well what some Universities did was remove the cleaners from the payroll and hire an external company to do the cleaning.

So by one form of analysis they shrank the wage gap which they can now brag about at cocktail parties and feminist award ceremonies.

By another form of analysis all they did was sack some working class women and call it a victory for equality.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36040645)

When I worked in the benefits department, the top bods decided that all telephone calls should be answered within rings to "improve the service". Management then routed all calls to one telephone in our office. Each call answered was indeed answered within 5 rings and the new policy was achieved (despite the fact that most people got the engaged tone and less people than ever before actually got through).

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040606)

There was a University that in the name of equality:rolleyes:, paid men a LOWER hourly rate than the women. The men were expected to work for more hours and more days for the same annual salary as the women. The jobs the men were doing were ones that the women couldn't and wouldn't do.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36040649)

Which university was this? I'm guessing not the UK which has salary bands at universities.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36040608)

Head porter? or security guard.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040609)

That's about senior as White men are going to be allowed to get.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040653)

Aberystwyth is the UK, isn't it? It was salary bands that caused the issue. The men were paid the same annual salary as the women, but were expected to work more hours, on more days. As a consequence their hourly rate was less.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040624)

I wonder what the figures are for Newnham College, Cambridge? It's Women only.

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36040661)

Strange how a BLM thread has become a thread about equality between men and women. Now is that going off topic or not?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040662)

Again, shenanigans.

Under the HERA pay scales (brought in 2005-06), Grades 1-5 all have overtime (after 37 hours) at x1.5 (Mon-Sat) and x2 (Sundays & Bank Holidays) - Grade 6s and above is ‘hours required to fulfil duties’.

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That’ll be a shock for Ian Wilson, John Fawcett, Matthew Ireland, Nigel Knight, Rupert Brown, and the other men who teach there... ;)