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Ideally yes, but not always possible as people have other things to do and there are clashes particularly on a weekend

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On top of normal tv/phone/broadband bundles, I'd agree. But when/if the traditional pay tv bundle collapses, then it may get cheaper or not, if streaming prices keep rising.

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I think you're still right. Linear will largely die off.

In effect, my viewing has been almost all on-demand since 2004 when ntl upped their broadband speeds.;):)

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That's the thing. When only the on demand/streaming services are left (or everything you can get on the pay tv channels is replicated there), paying only for the streaming/on demand services will make perfect sense and this would be cheaper than the existing satellite and cable tv bundles.

Sky have already embraced this with the changes they are bringing in soon and I am sure that VM have advanced plans, since they've been promoting on demand for years. They need to get many more VM Exclusives and plenty more besides in HBO-type deals to make it worthwhile to continue to subscribe to cable services. This, and ensuring that the STBs become known as good value streamers, is the key to ensuring the survival of cable tv.

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Streaming will only be cheaper than linear if there are only A small number of streamers.

If the rights to different sports are spread over a larger number of streamers all wanting there £15-25 pm it is going to be more expensive for me

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Sport is rather a different proposition, I'll grant you that. However, it is likely that you will be able to pick and choose which sports you want to watch, rather than paying for a lot of sport that doesn't interest you.

I think maybe there will be a lot more choice of sports events televised than as at present, which could give the impression that you are getting less value for money whereas you may be making choices that lead you to watch more of your preferred sports than you are able to do now.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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Sport is the only thing I am interested in.

I'd rather be able to watch the same variety of sport that I do know thanks, I am afraid it will be reality not an impression that I will get less for money.

Not sure I have time to watch more of my preferred sports.

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Except that it wasn’t:

Post 63 in this thread: https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33699901

Happy to be of service.

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You have misinterpreted me, although, sorry, I could have been clearer. I was referring to broadband speed here, not the demise of the broadcast linear channels, which I have consistently said may be 20 years away. Probably 18 now!

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No, you weren’t, you were talking about a wholesale switch to streaming TV and the end of linear broadcast, as per this post from the same thread, quoted in full so we can all see that you’re not discussing broadband capacity:

To be fair, though, you did begin to see your error quite quickly. Maybe that’s why you’ve now completely forgotten your original prediction.

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As I said, Chris, that last paragraph was about the broadband rollout, which is the reference to 10 years. My other posts make this clear.

This is from a 2017 post on the Coming Soon thread, and there are plenty of other examples. You and others are constantly trying to corrupt what I have said, and time and again I've had to put you right. This is an example of such a corfection and there are many others.

Linear broadcasting might well be impacted in about 10 years, but I did not say they would be gone in 10 years. I stand by my original prediction of 20 years (now 18, I guess) which appears to be aligned with the BBC's thinking as communicated recently.


Re: Coming Soon to Virgin Media TV (2017)

Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone

Is that in the future of 2098 or perhaps in the year 2156

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I think your maths is a bit off there, old chap! We were talking about 20 years..

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If you say so.

Anyone who’s interested - and why wouldn’t they be, you’ve been banging on about this for 3 years now - can click the blue arrow link in your quoted post and see the context for themselves. I read it while sitting in a long and boring barbershop queue this morning.

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It was #498 on 16 February 2017 on that Coming Soon (2017) post. I think that was clear enough.

Earlier posts all refer to 20 years.

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You started all this off three years ago (i.e. in 2015) in a thread called “the future of linear TV channels’. The thread is still viewable and I have provided links to it so that everyone can see how, in the first 100 or so posts, you argued that linear broadcast TV would be supplanted by streaming services in around 10 years.

There’s really no point arguing any more ... you may say what you like but the posts are there for all to see (if they’re bored enough) ... the only thing that renders this mildly amusing is you continuing to claim you said something very different in the face of your own published comments.

I shall leave it there, as I’m boring myself to sleep now and have work to do anyway. Last word is yours if you want it.

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2015, huh? Well, on 26 January 2015 #63, the following post appears:

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_m

It's not about being stuck in my ways, I can't see how the scenario you're outlining is better. I, and everybody, would need a stable unlimited broadband connection, to know that there weren't capacity issues in my area and that we'd always have speeds capable of delivering hd telly. We would have no choice to access tv but to pay the licence fee AND a broadband subscription, and that's before you take into account that literally everybody else in the country would be doing the same. You think evening is peak time for broadband now?

Not only is it a long long way off, we already have a system that works, backed up well by internet based solutions. Wanting to keep it isn't a case of being stuck in our ways! It's an acknowledgement that things are already pretty good.

If your question is what's wrong with moving to the system you've outlined then I think your question is wrong. It should be what's right with it? And I think part of the answer is that we are simply nowhere near the infrastructure, or the desire, or even the necessity, required.

OLD BOY replied:

Well, I would say that the situation I have described is better because you don't have to be a slave to the decisions of the programme schedulers - you can see the programme whenever you want to - and you don't have to put up with all those advertisements.

I appreciate that there are things that need to be sorted out first, such as giving everyone access to broadband at an appropriate speed, but I do think that this is about 10 years + away. I'm sure it will come, though.

Incidentally, don't most people pay a broadband subscription already? And if there has to be a TV licence, it is only fair that anyone with access to BBC programmes should pay it.

That's not to say that I necessarily agree with the TV licence, by the way!


You can keep spinning your line about 10 years if you want to, Chris, but even back in 2015 I was saying that linear TV channels (in the traditional sense) would disappear by 2035.

My references to 10 years have been referring to other things. For example, whether broadband will be robust enough, and the fact that things will look very different in 10 years. I stand by that, but as far as linear channels (except streaming channels) being abolished I have always said that I thought this would happen by 2035.

Anyhow, I don't see why you are making such a big thing out of what I think will happen. The fact that the BBC now say they are also planning to ditch conventional transmitter broadcasting after the next licence fee review surely shows I was thinking along the right lines. Those who have challenged me by saying it will never happen are way off beam.

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Chris is certainly not spinning any line OB but you know that anyway as you know what you said at that said time but basically since then you have backtracked 180 degrees just like some of our skilled modern politicians do nowadays.

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Amazon Prime Video will go live on BT TV 'later this month'

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/b...now-tv-3474632

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I have discovered where this confusion has come from.

On 15 February 2015, in post #128 passingbat asked me why I had referred to the 20 year period when in a previous post I made reference to 10 years. I responded that this was my reference to things 'looking very different by 2025'. I pointed out in post #129 that the process of linear brodcast channels closing down would not be complete by then and that I thought that would not happen for about 20 years.

I have not changed my view on this at all, and I think it is up to you and others who are disputing this to prove it. The posts are there for all to see. Exactly what about my prediction that linear channels will all but disappear by 2035 do you think has changed? Proof that I was talking about 20 years in 2015 is in that very post #129 that I have quoted to you above.

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Without wishing to be pedantic, if he's "backtracked 360 degrees", then he is in fact still going in the same direction he was to start with! ;)

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Thanks for the update, Gavin. VM falling behind again, it seems!

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That's reassuring, Topgun, so he was agreeing with me all along, the cunning devil!:erm:

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Sorry my mistake as l meant 180 degrees.:)

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No so reassuring after all OB if one goes further on.;)

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Brilliant, :D

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Well let's get the record straight. Linear broadcast channels I believe will all but have disappeared by 2035.

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About as likely as aliens arriving on this earth in the next 10,000 years..

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Tell that to the Beeb, Den. I'm sure they will value your input and change their plans accordingly.

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It would appear Mr Murdoch has also started or is looking to add the streaming services on his other services around the world.

Tata Sky (India) are adding Netflix , Amazon and Hotstar

FOXTEL (Australia) are looking to bundle Netflix and Stan

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No point having Amazon on the V6 if it's going to cost more.

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It won't cost more to existing Amazon subscribers and those who don't want it don't have to have it.

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But does it not cost more even when BT have it soon on their platform?.

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Not that I'm aware of, Den. That would mean that BT viewers would be paying twice over.

VM doesn't charge for Netflix - we pay our subscriptions directly to Netflix, not VM. So it would not make sense for BT to charge viewers separately for the 'privilege' of accessing it on their STB.

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Nick Play launching as a new video app on Virgin Media. It's not actually appeared on my system yet, though.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...-virgin-media/

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Nor on mine either..

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You can download the app here https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...kelodeon&hl=en or here https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/nick...977678950?mt=8

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Every episode of Doctor Who since 2005 hits the BBC iPlayer.

https://inews.co.uk/culture/televisi...sode-i-player/

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Can't wait

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Good move, BBC.

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That sounds like a no then.;)

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Thirteen year old material that you've already paid for!

All BBC programs from the past should be available on iPlayer as a right not a 'wow look how lucky you are'

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BBC programming has never been available on that basis. Actors who appear in their in-house productions are entitled to repeat fees if the material is shown again. Renegotiating this to allow for iPlayer repeats was the reason not all programming was available on the iPlayer when it first launched, and why initially the catch up period for content they did manage to negotiate was only 7 days.

On top of that, at least half of their non-factual content is pitched to them by an outside production company (Endemol or one of its subsidiaries being probably the biggest contributor in this field). If the BBC picks up the rights to one of these productions they get some creative input, then exclusive rights to the first screening followed by 30-day iPlayer catch up, and that’s it. They don’t own it and can’t provide it as a box set afterwards unless they have negotiated that with the copyright holder.

Obvs it’s easier for them to negotiate and pay for box set streaming rights for material they own the copyright to, but just because it’s their copyright still doesn’t mean they can do it at zero cost to themselves.

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... agree.

All very well the BBC making plans with ITV or whoever to take on Netflix, but it would help if they actually made their own programmes.

Endemol is controlled by Murdoch and the other large "independent" production companies being owned by John Malone and Sony. Between them they control more current and recent-past British TV, than the Beeb, ITV and Ch4 put together.

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The BBC is forbidden by its own charter from making everything in-house. I suspect there may be similar PSB licence conditions imposed on ITV. This was a decision initially taken in the 1980s as a means of privatising TV production without directly breaking up the BBC. It isn’t a situation that’s ever going to change. Even if it was thought desirable to do it, the BBC doesn’t have the capacity to produce everything in house any more. Last time they did so, they had only 2 TV channels and they both closed down overnight. :D

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...just coming back on your comments about actors and their repeat fees which is why a lot of the old BBC stuff isn't on iplayer, did you see the story about Lionsgate buying a talent agency:

I find that interesting because if other media companies do the same thing, it will ultimately solve the problems you highlighted in your earlier post as the media companies will be on both sides of any deal involving actors, producers etc

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Shame it doesn't include the classic Who episodes.

Most of the post 2005 has been on Netflix for a while anyway.

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Yes l loved the older episodes as it brings me back to my youth.:)

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It may have a further effect on future productions, but I think the practice of 30-day catch-up and occasional free box set releases is an established standard now. What it won’t have any affect on is the contracts that prevailed during the classic Who era, which were negotiated at a time when Equity, the actors union, was an immensely powerful closed shop. It costs real money to repeat any classic BBC TV show, which is why they generally only get repeated on commercial stations such as those in the UKTV network, and are very unlikely ever to appear as a free box set on the iPlayer.

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Leaving aside old episodes of Dr Who which probably does still get quite a few viewers, who here watches old shows anyway?

The future of streaming is on what's to come. Once the shows get beyond ten years old, most people don't bother with them.

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A little bit of good news for Game of Thrones fans, series 1-7 has returned to Now TV.

Den will be pleased!

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Not being grumpy as that is not me but it took long enough to come back on there OB.:)

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Vodafone UK has teamed up with Amazon to become the first UK mobile company to offer Amazon Prime Video as part of its mobile plans.

The agreement means that Vodafone UK customers will be able to enjoy Amazon prime Video series such as The Marvelous Mrs Maisel and The Grand Tour, and forthcoming series Cloak and Dagger and Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan as part of a Vodafone Red Entertainment plan.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...-mobile-plans/

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I know. Sky decided to repeat all 7 series twice over on Sky Atlantic since it was last on Now TV, and I suppose they wanted to get as much advertising revenue from it as possible during that time.

Bear in mind you need to finish watching the end of series 6 by 31 August, as they will take it off again then. No end date has appeared for series 7 so far.

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Judging by this and the BT deal, it shouldn't be long now before Amazon Prime comes to our screens.

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A new SVOD service that contains content entirely devoted to royalty launches in the UK.

One to avoid in this house, I think!

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...y-tv-launches/

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Can't wait for that !!!!!

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What MM as l thought that was right up your street being of regal blood.:D

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If they can keep all the carp in one place that we can avoid. Gets our vote. :D

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According to posters over on DS forum there's quite a few not happy with Amazon's live tennis particularly the picture.

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Virgin Media strengthens Netflix alliance with integrated billing

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2018...rated-billing/

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I thought the V6 box was able to show HDR quality.

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Just a heads up for anyone who subscribes to Google Play music or is interested in YouTube Premium the service is now live in the UK with the new YouTube Music app now available.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44522200

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4K has been available since day 1, but HDR has only just been enabled in the latest software update.

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Sounds pricey to me for what you get. I won't be paying that!

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I guess it depends if you already sub to Google for music , if not then I agree.

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The music bit is fine, but a very high charge for the remaining content. I can't see how this would be worth so much more than Netflix - in fact, I don't think any of this original content is particularly attractive to an adult audience.

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Music Unlimited services are generally £9.99 so at £11.99 you are paying £2 for Ad free YouTube , downloads and YouTube Originals.

Like I say if you have no interest in music it's defo pricey.

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I must have read the article incorrectly, then. I thought the £11.99 was just for the additional YouTube Originals.

Not so bad, then! I have Amazon Music at the moment, so maybe time to re-consider.

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You also get a 3 month free trial.

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We watch YouTube music via their app on our TV, we can access anything we want, no need for a subscription.

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Way too pricey as you say..

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There is a 3-month free trial.

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Normal practise to lure potential customers in..

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I upgraded my Google sub for the extra £2, I really enjoyed Cobra Kai and a couple of the other things on Premium look interesting. Although it is one very confusing mess, if you are a Google Play Music subscriber after you upgrade you are expected to cancel your Music sub otherwise you get charged twice. WTF! This is Google who manage to run you life from their phone OS but can't manage a subscription upgrade?

It is very nice being able to download Youtube content for the tube ride home, no adds (I watch a lot of youtube on my TV so this is a nice bonus) and all their originals are in 4K. Although a bit disappointed that even though PIP is a Android 8 feature Youtube puts this behind a paywall and the option doesn't exist on their TV OS at all.

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Very good to see this.

If they could just secure Amazon Prime Video, as BT have done, Virgin Media would be in a really strong position.

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Did you get any sort of free trial ? Or was it a case of you couldn't have one because you already had Google Play music.

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Yes, that's exactly my thinking. I hope VM don't take another decade thinking about it. I was hopeful that Amazon would come to Virgin this year, but we've heard nothing further about this and we are already half way through the year.

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Dream on, in my reasonably short time with Virgin I have realised that nothing happens quickly.

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Well, talks with Amazon started years ago! They might now be getting somewhere, but I am still waiting for news to crawl out of the woodwork. We may, however, have very little notice, because until the deal is done, confidentiality will be maintained.

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Still hoping and praying l see OB..

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Amazon Prime was rolled out to BT boxes today - but is NOT available to those with BT 4K boxes at this time.

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Well, that's strange...:confused:

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Amazon Prime Video has started to roll out to selected BT Youview boxes today it will be rolled out to customers throughout the summer including YouView+ Ultra HD boxes

https://www.a516digital.com/2018/06/...-roll-out.html

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If you are thinking of watching the Amazon Prime football content on a Roku box, you may need to think again. You can't get the current Queens Club tennis on the Prime Video Roku app and it is highly unlikely you'd get the football either.
Assuming that Virgin don't get their finger out and do a deal in the next couple of months, looks like a Fire TV stick plus a cheap Now TV box is on the shopping list before the US Open in August which is now an Amazon 'exclusive'. Pity because Roku had potential as a 'one stop' shop (or plug) for OTT content which Virgin can't or won't get.

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Oh dear looks like Netflix are looking at ways to further ramp up prices in my opinion.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/03/...x-ultra-price/

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Seems an odd thing to do to split UHD and UHD HDR into different options.

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And a certain someone said cutting the cord was going to be far cheaper which of course is utter hogwash..

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I don't know how you make that out, Den. How much are you currently spending on your non- sports channels? How could you possibly argue that you are not getting value for money by ditching them and instead subscribing to Now TV, Netflix and Prime?

Unless my acabus has developed a fault...:)

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Many subscribe now owing to it's low entry cost as an add on to their pay TV subscription , if Netflix get silly with prices people will cancel.

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We have a good deal through what one would call polite bartering.

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Unless you have been on some desert island OB their package prices seem to keep rising and rising.

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Agreed although nothing set in stone yet , certainly looks like price increases though.


https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...-hdr-tv-owners

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Good for you if you have a good cable deal, Den. However, although you may be paying under the going rate for your pay-tv channels and potentially a bit more for Netflix, your cable channels still cost more. The price of your streaming services would have to increase very substantially indeed before even becoming aligned with your cable subscription.

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Not before time, the content on My5 is being bolstered. It is a good move to include PBS material, IMO.

Of course, we won't be getting this material in Virgin's 'catch-up' section, so all the more reason why the full versions of ITV Hub, All 4 and My5 should appear in the apps section of the V6 menu. I cannot think why Virgin hasn't done this already.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...reaming-deals/

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Cost l suspect OB.

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With the debt Netflix has it was always going to look at increasing prices , looking around on the web and social media there seems quite a lot saying they won't pay higher prices and will cancel.

Netflix need to get it right and not anger loyal existing customers.

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But they are only setting that higher price for an additional feature. Hardly worth cancelling on that basis.

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No - they currently provide HDR in the UltraHD subscription - they are moving that feature to a higher tear.

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Customers will only be loyal to a certain point and hence once that point is reached any loyalty goes out of the window..

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That is true, Den. But people aren't going to quit because there's a new service they haven't got that is more expensive. If you are continuing to pay the same for the service you have been receiving and the added charge only applies to you if you sign up for that extra service, how is that grounds for leaving?

If you had been happily eating Joe's cornet vanilla ice creams from the ice cream man over many years, and then he started advertising another kind of cornet ice cream in addition, with a chocolate sprinklings on top for an extra 10p, you might think 'No, I'll stick to my favourite vanilla with no sprinklings', but you wouldn't stop buying the ice cream you love, which was still available at the same price, would you? That just defies logic!

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Have you read Ozsats post OB ?

I currently pay £9.99 and get 4 concurrent streams , part of one of the options was the 4 streams only being available in the top package hence a significant price increase.

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I did miss that post, sorry! I was unaware the Netfix currently offered HDR with its UHD option.

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This is a serious threat to Sky, Virgin, BT and Talk Talk, Amazon adding more channels to their site. But should the telcos embrace them or reject them?

I think they reject them at their peril. One way or the other, they will have to find an accommodation with them.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...dia-be-worried

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Some Amazon Prime customers are being offered 90 days free access to: Shudder, BFI, Discovery and MGM. Good for film fans.

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Do you know how people are notified?

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Email in our case.