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Yup...we need video...and the power to dish out punishment after the fact,..whether it is balotelli bad tackle..or young's dive.

And make the judges ex-professionals

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Or, castrate them all...that will teach them quickly :D

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He got caught...twice. Definite pen

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He threw his leg at the defender...then swan dived...not a penalty

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Thats got to be the biggest load of ******** l have ever heard.:td::(

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Welbeck's goal has made this moot but I want United to take the title because of our performances, not because our player takes a dive.

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I know that it is popular to say...well, we got another goal..so first one doesn't count

But how often has first goal made a difference..look at Wigan game...if Man Utd had scored first...would it have been a different game?..Yes

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No it hasn't, no one knows what would've happened if he hadn't dived and what if the match finishes 2-1, still moot...

Lennon looks like the orc imo :D

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:rolleyes:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/04/13.gif

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lol :D

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At least this time the player wasn't sent off!

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Are you watching the game?? With this sort of poor performance from Villa I'd have been extremely surprised if United didn't win this. The penalty did not change the dynamic of the match.

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The penalty came too early for us to judge the dynamic of the match but when a team came to play defensively then going a goal down so early will change the dynamic of the match. The moment the penalty was scored it meant Villa had to come and try and score....

Of course it's likely United were going to win the game. Same with QPR, same with Fulham. However it's even more likely when they get decisions like this. Why bother playing the games otherwise.

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Easy to say...after the decision.

How many times have I watched a game, when we knew the first goal would change the dynamics...where an inferior team defends what it has.

If you have never seen that type of game..the rose coloured glasses are working well..or at least the red ones :D

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I know, but to suggest it's a case of "who knows what would have happened" is a stretch too far of the imagination.

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I don't know.

I had Man Utd to win game 2-0 in my predictor.

But..i equally had Man Utd to beat Wigan. If you gave Man Utd a free goal against Wigan...would it have been 1-1 at end?..Don't know, but doubt it

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And you can count a few Man City games the same way.

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You can't see it from that angle but the villa players left foot caught youngs right foot...the way he fell was theatrical but he was caught. He put his left leg out looking for contact but the contact had already been made. Stonewall penalty

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Some supporters should be ashamed of themselves as a minority booed during a minutes silence for the victims of the Hillsborough disaster and the italian footballer who sadly died yesterday.:(:td:

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I hadn't noticed that until you mentioned it. Yes Young did a Drogba but it certainly does look like legit contact.

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It was a dive! He put his leg to get the penalty. LOL.

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I think they were booing those who wouldn't shut up.

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Surprised to see all those empty seats on the far side at Wembley, you would have thought two London clubs could have filled the ground.:confused:

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PS. Dwight Yorke said it was a pen, that's good enough for me. :)

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They were, but that was because another group of them were chanting/making noise during the silence.

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Mmmmmm Dwight Yorke not exactly unbiased when he is appearing on TV.:rolleyes:

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Once more the ref cocks it up, how could the ref give that from his position. ?

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How the hell could he have seen that cross the line :shocked:

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Yet another decision goes Chelsea's way. The two 'goals' against Wigan. It's pathetic. How much more luck can they get....

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cant believe he said that was a penalty yet more proof how refs play for top teams

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it wasnt even on line let alone over it refs got million times worse since they gone professional

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very very luck Cech that spurs scored that or he been sent off

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well i may be wrong. Eriksen may well join in a double deal. Apperently Ajax have offered him as part of a deal to take Vertonghen. Probably to get the fee up may be? Eriksens current contract ends in 2 years.

what position does he play? and if theres any truth in the above.. Eriksen being offered to Arsenal. who have Ajax got upcoming to warrant the sale?

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the refs taking it easy on them. they have Barca to play in 2days then Arsenal plus then rest..

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nope. hes lucky fullstop. he should have got a red.

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He can't get a red. Can't have stopped a goal scoring opportunity if the goal is scored. Should have gotten a yellow.

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Exactly but the decisions just seem to get worse and worse.:td::(

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yeah fair enough. i was thinking of the upcoming weekend :o:

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Yeah me too, stupid Bale.

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Now that was a wonderful goal by Lampard.:clap:

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was there a deflection on that? looked like it brushed off Parkers back?

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Again, you have to ask if the second goal had been disallowed & Spurs had levelled at 1 - 1 what effect would that have had on the outcome?

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Yes its that old chestnut of ifs, buts and maybes.

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Well, I was just going to say: you can argue about the goal, but not the result.

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as a true neutral today ;) im happy one of the sides got destroyed :p:

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The officials were terrible, they need to be relegated to the lower leagues, that 'goal' was the turning point of the game.

I don't mind losing games - to anyone- but no way was that a goal- remember the whole ball has to be over the line, how the ref saw that with a lot of players there beats me - disgraceful.

And the incident with Parker, the Chelsea player should have had a red card for violent conduct - but there again the offials were on Chelsea's side, as usual.:mad:

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You can I think. We obviously don't know what would have happened but the third Chelsea goal came as a result of Spurs trying to score with 10 minutes left.

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Something has to be done, it is spoiling the game. Young won the penalty rather than it being awarded for foul play, there was contact, but not enough for him to go down so theatrically.

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I suppose you can, but on balance the better team won imo. That still doesn't change the fact that the ref. simply can't give the goal as he can't have seen it cross the line. If he claims he saw it cross the line he's lying.

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Something else the refs need to take into mind as well. At no point at all was the Villa playing trying to commit a foul and bring down Young or stop him playing. yes there was contact but contact alone shouldn't be enough to be awarded a penalty. Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't think the ref even booked the villa player. If that's true how on earth can the ref then give a penalty :erm:

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Quite !

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Why would he have to book him?

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that's the point I was making. There was contact but there wasn't a foul. How can you give a pen if there hasn't even been a foul. If it is just contact then play on and get on with the game. It's only recently that even the smallest bit of contact leads to all these ex players saying this is a stonewall pen

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Still fail to see your point. Bookings have nothing to do with it. You can commit a foul and not be booked.

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Interesting...
https://p.twimg.com/AqjDlIJCAAA8UI8.jpg

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well done ref

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Have to say I feel a little bit silly now...unless the image has been changed or there is a lens trick in effect...

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Where did you find that image Damien?

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Twitter. https://twitter.com/#!/wfootballdail...23342543998978

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I'm still not sure. If that pic was genuine, we would have seen clearer footage that at least suggested it may have been over. I'm not discounting a photoshop jobbie yet.

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If you imagine seeing that image directly in line with the goal line then the whole of the ball has not crossed the line.

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I'm sure it's Photoshopped, that's Garth Crooks in the centre of the goal... :erm:

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no its King taking one from the team.

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lol :D

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http://p.twimg.com/AqjI3x5CQAAjCxi.jpg[COLOR="Silver"]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17723688

the pics on the net say otherwise. no sure why the ref has gone back on his decision. it was a goal end of.

tbh it happened so quick everyone thought it wasnt a goal expect the ref and rightly so looking at the pics.

agreed!

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Actually, we can keep having decisions like this.

This is from the same lot who think that Chelsea playing on a Sunday night bgefore a Champions League game is best.

The people who rule the game are bonkers...so expect stupid decisions..you won't be disappointed

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not really. the ref made a call on the spot, he leaned down to look if you watch the video replay. if you draw a few lines over the marked lines you'll see its a goal.

I really don't understand why the refs been sucked into it.. if in doubt they dont normally give it but now hes saying to Harry it wasnt a goal, strange to say the least.

The CL fixture has been switched by UEFA for Wednesday instead of the scheduled Tuesday.

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Well Damien you are not the only one feeling a bit silly now.

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i didnt see this... ?

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http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/footbal...isabled-sister

Pure class.

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Thats a wonderful gesture and just goes to show that there are many fine people in this world who are caring and thoughtful and who have great humidity.

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But the ref did and booked Scholes, and if you had seen the passage of play you would have seen that it was a genuine attempt to get the ball which had been flicked up, the Villa player quickly accepted the instant apology from Scholes as well.

PS, the angle of the phantom goal makes it look almost over the line but if it was possible to move the camera in line with the goal line then the whole of the ball did not cross the line.

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That image of the ball crossing the line might be the result of a Parallax error.

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IF, people watch the TV replay, IT clearly shows the ball did NOT cross the line, therefore NO GOAL.

The officials are pathetic and a disgrace to the national game, what are the FA doing absolutely nothing, we need technology NOW, not next year of 2014.

We have diving, serious fouls and goals that are not given, this argument has been going on since the game with Man Utd v Spurs, does everyone remember the 'goal' where the ball was TWO FEET over the line, and Clattenberg or his lino did not see it when the United keeper threw the ball out of the goal.

Officials are run by a company and they are supplied to the FA and PL, and don't give a damn, Scholes should have been given a red card for his foul in that game, Cech should have received a red card for bringing down Abebayor, whether or not the ball went into the net.

I was a referee and would have shown it, Cech was not even booked for bringing him down, and for people who say he shouldn't have done, then they are wrong, l have seen many keepers sent off for offences like that.

Rules of the game state that the opposite player is the LAST man, who is brought down on route to goal and is brought down, then this is a RED CARD under Association rules.

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Quotes from todays Telegraph.

"I though it hit me and stayed out" John Terry.

"It wasn't a goal-its as simple as that" Frank Lampard.

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On the TV there is a point where the ball is out of sight and it seems to rebound off a player on the line but it's possible it crossed the line in that brief moment.

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Good article here on Ashley Young's diving: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...ley-young-dive

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yes, it was a good article.

But i disagree with one point. It is not only up to the player to stop..managers have got to be honest. That was a blatant dive, Sir Alex has got to occasionally stop defending the indefensible. All that does is make the player think the manager wants him to keep doing that...which may well be what his manager wants

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Piermario Morosini's club Udinese to care for his siste

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17727031

That is really good. Makes me remember there are good people in this world

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I could start a new thread on this subject, BUT, the main problem today is that officials have left it far too late to change what players habits are.

We have divers in the box, we have foul tackles that can break players careers, and we have goal line clearances, this is part of football.

But many years ago we had tough officials, who would not mess about with players, no matter who they were, if they deserved to be sent off they would go.

At the weekend l have seen diving, serious fouls and balls that have supposed to have crossed the line, what is needed is we have to have another referee sitting in the ground in front of a Tv screen, who can tell the referee in seconds what is happening, Its like the disgraceful behaviour of Niel Lennon of Celtic having a go at the referee, after walking on the pitch.

The FA and SFA have got to get tough with players and clubs before, players will think that they are god and can get away with it. At the moment it is farcical, l gave up being a ref, due to the fact that players and clubs think they can get away with it.

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Just how many years ago are you talking about Arthur.

I can remember when Man City last had a decent side, it was a common headline at the time, 'Lee Won Pen' referring to Franny Lees penchant for diving.
And anyone who saw Norman Hunter at Leeds ( and most of the Leeds side at the time TBH ), 'Chopper Harris at Chelski and many others, the tackling 'many years ago' was far worse overall than it is today. The speed of the modern game often makes tackles and alleged 'dives' seem far worse than they actually are a lot of the time.

Downright dirty, dangerous tackling was far worse 'many years ago'.

Jim.

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Some good news.

Fabrice Muamba: Bolton midfielder discharged from hospital

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17733022

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Thats very heartwarming news.

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Regarding the diving, as I recall, in the 70s it was customary for tackled players to roll over about 5 times after going to ground, in a bid to make the tackle look worse. The theatrics are of all times, it's just the form they take that changes.

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I packed up being a ref three years ago, l was fed up to the teeth with players over reacting and the County FA and FA would not clamp down on players, although some refs are tough, they have to be tougher and, supported by the FA.

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It could learn from Rugby Union - only have the captain allowed to talk to the referee & ref having the power to move free kicks 10 feet onwards if there is dissent. How about a 10 minute sin-bin for abusive language followed by red card if repeated?

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Pog thats a excellent idea.:tu:

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Ditto

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Or even Rugby League.;)

I may be mistaken but was the 'move the free kick forward' not done as an experiment in football (Association) a while back somewhere?

Jim.

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Problem is in football moving a kick 10 yard forward in the majority of instances doesn't really give an advantage. Also in some instances moving the kick could actually disadvantage the attacking team.
With rugby being more of a territory game this is more of a penalty.

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The simple fact is there is no need for rule changes. Law 12 states..... Why this isn't enforced I don't know.

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Robin van Persie heads PFA Player of the Year nominations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-7648099.html

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yeah hands down player of the year Van Persie. id go Aguero for young player

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Player of the year RVP and young player of the year has to be Gareth Bale.

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Well not the start Arsenal wanted with 8 minutes gone.:D:D

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You can forgive 1st goal..it was almost a perfect breakaway goal

2nd was sloppy defending

But good for neutral...this will make the game more interesting :D

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l suspect the CF Arsenal supporters are having kittens at the moment.:D

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lol..where is Thenry :D

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Well hope springs eternal.:D

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right here. we were down 2 nil against Tottenham remember

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Thats it great man keep your chin up.:)

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Beware awakening sleeping dog..it might bite you :D

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Rosicky is frustrating player...at times he looks world class...but only at times

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he's trying Colin. Theo needs to up a gear.

Ramseys done for the season but putting him on was required with Arteta going off injuried. Ox on for Ramsey early second half is needed.

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I can see Arsenal scoring more goals...but equally I can see Wigan hitting the net. So think Arsenal need at least another 3 goals

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Told you top 4 isnt done yet :(

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They might need five the way they have been defending.

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5 minutes Wenger time :rolleyes:



;)

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Wenger time already :D

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Well this result is a devastating blow to Arsenal's Champions league hopes.

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poor poor poor decisions by Wenger. might go into detail later.