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qasdfdsaq 10-01-2014 13:09

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
ICMP flood doesn't require a good firewall at all to prevent at all.

All it needs is a non-stupid ICMP responder.

Kushan 10-01-2014 13:23

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Well yeah, the point is that there's any number of ways to mitigate it without disabling the feature entirely.

qasdfdsaq 10-01-2014 14:22

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
No, point is you shouldn't have to mitigate anything.

Kushan 10-01-2014 14:32

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35661741)
No, point is you shouldn't have to mitigate anything.

Is that the point? The only reason you wouldn't have to mitigate an attack is if people didn't try to attack you. If someone does an ICMP flood, something has to mitigate it - even if it's the ICMP responder itself. It doesn't matter if it's the responder, the firewall or something else, there's multiple layers of security for a reason.

The real point is that disabling ICMP isn't a solution by any means. I think that much we can agree with.

qasdfdsaq 11-01-2014 00:39

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
No.

Nobody "does" an ICMP flood to you.

For an ICMP flood to occur, your own router has to actively generate it itself.

Kushan 11-01-2014 13:58

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35661873)
No.

Nobody "does" an ICMP flood to you.

For an ICMP flood to occur, your own router has to actively generate it itself.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_flood

qasdfdsaq 11-01-2014 16:58

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Have you even read that or understand what ICMP means?

Quote:

The attacker hopes that the victim will respond with ICMP Echo Reply packets
Hopes the victimwill respond, exactly as I said.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interne...ssage_Protocol

Kushan 11-01-2014 17:03

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Quote:

A ping flood is a simple denial-of-service attack where the attacker overwhelms the victim with ICMP Echo Request (ping) packets.
I really don't know why you're trying to make this distinction between pings and pongs.

qasdfdsaq 11-01-2014 17:43

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Because the ping is generated by an attacker and the pong is generated by your own router. For an attack to be effective you have to decide to actively generate those pongs. They are not created by the attacker and they don't come out of nowhere. You have complete control over how many pongs you choose to generate and if you choose to disable your own connection by ponging too much that's your own stupidity. An attacker has zero control over this.

Imagine you're shouting at someone until you lose your voice. They may be provoking you but you're the one doing the actual damage to yourself, and nobody is forcing you to do it. You choose to of your own accord. There would be no damage and no attack if you did not choose to shout back yourself.

All a firewall is going to do is cover your mouth when you're shouting. Which is obviously an inferior method of damage prevention than just not shouting as much in the first place.

Kushan 11-01-2014 17:58

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662012)
Because the ping is generated by an attacker and the pong is generated by your own router. For an attack to be effective you have to decide to actively generate those pongs. They are not created by the attacker and they don't come out of nowhere. You have complete control over how many pongs you choose to generate and if you choose to disable your own connection by ponging too much that's your own stupidity. An attacker has zero control over this.

Imagine you're shouting at someone until you lose your voice. They may be provoking you but you're the one doing the actual damage to yourself, and nobody is forcing you to do it. You choose to of your own accord. There would be no damage and no attack if you did not choose to shout back yourself.

All a firewall is going to do is cover your mouth when you're shouting. Which is obviously an inferior method of damage prevention than just not shouting as much in the first place.

Is this what it boils down to, because you don't think that some firewalls have flood protection? For a bunch of requests, not just ICMP?

I'm not disagreeing on how an attack is done via ICMP, all we seem to disagree with is what can be used to prevent it. You seem obsessed that only one thing should stop it, when all I'm saying is that there are a number of ways to prevent the Denial of Service, so disabling the feature entirely is really not necessary.

I don't understand why you can't just agree that there's such a thing as having multiple layers of security.

qasdfdsaq 11-01-2014 20:20

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I've said this multiple times, there is nothing to prevent. You are attacking yourself. There is nothing to stop.

You seem to be unable to grasp the difference between starting something that is stopped and stopping something that is started.

You want a room to be dark? You don't need a cover to block out the light. Don't turn on the light to begin with. The light doesn't come on automatically by itself.

Kushan 11-01-2014 23:21

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662043)
I've said this multiple times, there is nothing to prevent. You are attacking yourself. There is nothing to stop.

You seem to be unable to grasp the difference between starting something that is stopped and stopping something that is started.

You want a room to be dark? You don't need a cover to block out the light. Don't turn on the light to begin with. The light doesn't come on automatically by itself.

I give up with you. I don't know if you're deliberately being obtuse or if you really have missed the point that I was making - that those attacks are a thing, that they exist. There's wiki entries and everything. You're just not willing to listen.

qasdfdsaq 12-01-2014 01:52

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
You seem to have missed the point. I've explained multiple times yet you refuse to listen yourself.

Once again. You seem to be unable to grasp the difference between starting something that is stopped and stopping something that is started.

It relies on a specific program on your own router deliberately generating enough outbound traffic to cause itself a problem. Nobody is forcing it to do this and a firewall is the wrong place to mitigate this. It relies solely on the router being too stupid to realise it's overloading itself, and any decently programmed router will not be flawed in this way.

As you clearly don't understand the fundamental basis of how a "ping flood" works, I suggest you stop digging yourself into a deeper hole. Maybe go read up on how firewalls and ICMP actually works, and how any well-programmed router incorporates an ICMP responder with a built-in rate limiter by default

Kushan 12-01-2014 14:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662071)
You seem to have missed the point. I've explained multiple times yet you refuse to listen yourself.

Once again. You seem to be unable to grasp the difference between starting something that is stopped and stopping something that is started.

It relies on a specific program on your own router deliberately generating enough outbound traffic to cause itself a problem. Nobody is forcing it to do this and a firewall is the wrong place to mitigate this. It relies solely on the router being too stupid to realise it's overloading itself, and any decently programmed router will not be flawed in this way.

As you clearly don't understand the fundamental basis of how a "ping flood" works, I suggest you stop digging yourself into a deeper hole. Maybe go read up on how firewalls and ICMP actually works, and how any well-programmed router incorporates an ICMP responder with a built-in rate limiter by default

Yes, therein lies the problem.

qasdfdsaq 12-01-2014 17:08

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Just because the Superhub is stupid like this doesn't mean every other router is, or even the majority are... Anything that runs Linux by default has a built-in ICMP rate limit. Most ISP supplied routers in foreign countries are not susceptible to ICMP flood attacks.

A firewall is still the wrong way to deal with the problem.

Kushan 12-01-2014 18:17

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I never said it was the right way. I said it was one of many ways.

kwikbreaks 13-01-2014 15:05

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Surely if enough bandwidth was used sending requests to your IP the downstream could become overloaded even if you didn't respond at all and there is diddly squat your router could do to stop that happening - it would need blocking somewhere upstream of you.

Anyway just what chance is there that a home IP is going to be the target of any form of DoS? Despite seeing the option to defend against DoS attacks in home router settings I fail to see what they could do other than turn themselves off.

qasdfdsaq 13-01-2014 15:37

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662436)
Surely if enough bandwidth was used sending requests to your IP the downstream could become overloaded even if you didn't respond at all and there is diddly squat your router could do to stop that happening - it would need blocking somewhere upstream of you.

Yes, but that's not really an ICMP flood, that's a generic traffic-volume Denial of Service attack. Any type of traffic can achieve that (I prefer using UDP) and as you say, there's diddly squat your firewall or router can do about it.

Quote:

Anyway just what chance is there that a home IP is going to be the target of any form of DoS? Despite seeing the option to defend against DoS attacks in home router settings I fail to see what they could do other than turn themselves off.
Well I've attacked a few hundred home IPs myself. Small fry in the ocean of home IPs but there have been legitimate reasons.

kwikbreaks 13-01-2014 22:15

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Jolly good job our government aren't in the business of monitoring UK subjects web activities then :)

qasdfdsaq 13-01-2014 22:56

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Why would the government care, pinging someone isn't illegal :p

kwikbreaks 14-01-2014 10:11

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
You said (DoS) attack. The odd ping isn't an issue but ports scans and Dos attacks I think you'll find are criminal offences. Certainly they will be against ISP T&C.

qasdfdsaq 14-01-2014 14:16

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Nah, there's a difference between a civil offense and a criminal offense.

As for ISP T&C's when you're not a subscriber to said ISP it hardly matters.

kwikbreaks 14-01-2014 15:53

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http://www.out-law.com/page-9592

qasdfdsaq 14-01-2014 16:26

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Who said the attack occurred in England or Wales?

Kushan 14-01-2014 16:36

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
kwikbreaks: Do yourself a favour and stop now, qasdfdsaq will argue semantics until you're blue in the face (See previous page).

kwikbreaks 14-01-2014 19:12

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Oh I'm well aware of that. Like others I've had him on and off ignore numerous times but right now I'm just letting it run without getting annoyed.

He is clearly losing this time around having admitted on a public bulletin board to making DoS attacks. Now clearly this couldn't have been done from a home internet connection as they simply don't have the available bandwidth so that leave him either running a botnet or far more likely using an employers kit for illicit purposes. If it's the former he may even have attracted the attention of the NSA who maybe even now have a black helicopter hovering over his bedsit and an orange jumpsuit and latex gloves ready and waiting...

OK very unlikely but we can all live in hope.


Inidentally had he read past the first sentence in the article proving him wrong he would have seen.... "The law was already in force in Scotland."

qasdfdsaq 14-01-2014 23:25

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662769)

Inidentally had he read past the first sentence in the article proving him wrong he would have seen.... "The law was already in force in Scotland."

Who said anything about the attack occurring in Scotland?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662769)
Now clearly this couldn't have been done from a home internet connection as they simply don't have the available bandwidth so that leave him either running a botnet or far more likely using an employers kit for illicit purposes.

A 20Mbps upload on BT Infinity is plenty to ping flood any Virgin Media line, and, before the double-speed upgrades was enough to simply flood flood the downstream on most connections too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662769)
If it's the former he may even have attracted the attention of the NSA who maybe even now have a black helicopter hovering over his bedsit and an orange jumpsuit and latex gloves ready and waiting...

As if the NSA would have any jurisdiction here.

More importantly, as if the NSA would take anything I said on an internet forum seriously.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35662715)
kwikbreaks: Do yourself a favour and stop now, qasdfdsaq will argue semantics until you're blue in the face (See previous page).

Why do you care if I'm right, wrong, or just arguing semantics? I'm just any old random idiot on the internet, nobody's forcing you to care about my opinion.

Kushan 15-01-2014 08:09

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662834)
Why do you care if I'm right, wrong, or just arguing semantics? I'm just any old random idiot on the internet, nobody's forcing you to care about my opinion.

What do you care about who and what advice I give to any other random idiot on the internet? :P

ANYWAY, here's something we haven't done in a while - Ping Graphs!

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Mine is still looking generally pretty decent, a couple of spikes but those were during some fairly hefty downloading (You can tell when the humble bundle got updated with extra games :P).

Still, nothing compared to a "real" fibre connection:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-01-2014.png

qasdfdsaq 15-01-2014 09:08

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Lies.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/01/20.png

Kushan 15-01-2014 09:11

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Sheesh, look at that minimum latency!

kwikbreaks 15-01-2014 09:34

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662834)
A 20Mbps upload on BT Infinity is plenty to ping flood any Virgin Media line

Only if the default Superhub setting of not responding to pings from the WAN has been changed. BTW I'm pretty sure the law applies in NI too so all territories where Infinity is available.
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35662834)
As if the NSA would have any jurisdiction here.

I don't think our American cousins worry too much about jurisdiction. If they did a certain bearded Arab would still be in Pakistan and not feeding the fishes.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35662876)
Sheesh, look at that minimum latency!

The random idiot is resident in Scotland.
I'm not so my base latency is better. I can also show a current chart as I am still on it.
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-01-2014.png

qasdfdsaq 15-01-2014 18:07

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662880)
Only if the default Superhub setting of not responding to pings from the WAN has been changed. BTW I'm pretty sure the law applies in NI too so all territories where Infinity is available.

The default Superhub setting *is* to respond to pings from WAN and to do so without any rate limit. At least it used to be. I haven't tried for a while.

Nor was I admitting using a BT Infinity connection, simply saying it was possible, contrary to your assertion that it wasn't.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35662876)
Sheesh, look at that minimum latency!

FINE.

You want to make it about minimum latency?
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/01/19.png

kwikbreaks 15-01-2014 18:11

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Well it's usually mine's bigger than yours but if you want mine's smaller than yours...

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...15-01-2014.png

qasdfdsaq 15-01-2014 18:16

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35662880)
I can also show a current chart

Current chart you say...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/10/8.png

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kwikbreaks (Post 35663021)
Well it's usually mine's bigger than yours but if you want mine's smaller than yours...

My minimum was smaller :)

[/wonders what kind of DDoS would make Kwikbreaks.co.uk's chart go all funky]

kwikbreaks 15-01-2014 18:19

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
As you said a while back you no longer have it I'm guessing that isn't your chart.

As my server is in the same data centre as the TBB one I can only assume yours must be on a closer rack....

qasdfdsaq 15-01-2014 18:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Mine was actually in a different datacentre. Very well peered though. 0.5ms latency across London is achievable on the faster providers.

Though I did once set up a ping monitor to ping the pingbox itself. Sadly I can't create any new monitors anymore :(

craigj2k12 16-01-2014 02:53

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Okay, I win....

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2015/02/14.png

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 09:09

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I can still see green on your chart!

Kushan 16-01-2014 12:15

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
This is one of the weirdest ****ing matches I've seen on the internet in some weeks.

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 13:33

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
You've clearly not been hanging out in the interesting parts of the internet.

kwikbreaks 16-01-2014 14:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
More likely he has been instead of places where this geeky rubbish gets posted :)

qasdfdsaq 16-01-2014 14:31

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/01/17.png

LOOK, NO GREEN, YELLOW OR BLUE AT ALL! I WINS!

Mick Fisher 16-01-2014 18:11

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:D

jarrodstrachan 22-01-2014 14:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Post resegmentation

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/01/8.png

Kushan 22-01-2014 15:27

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Is that a reboot at about 0930?

jarrodstrachan 22-01-2014 18:27

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Yea, leccy ran out :p

jarrodstrachan 23-01-2014 03:54

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
US-1 US-2 US-3 US-4
Channel Type 2.0 2.0 N/A N/A
Channel ID 5 7 N/A N/A
Frequency (Hz) 45800000 Hz 60300000 Hz N/A N/A
Ranging Status Success Success N/A N/A
Modulation QAM16 QAM16 N/A N/A
Symbol Rate (Sym/sec) 5120000 5120000 N/A N/A
Mini-Slot Size 128 128 N/A N/A
Power Level (dBmV) 33.3 dBmV 34.3 dBmV N/A N/A
T1 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T2 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T3 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T4 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A

Is the 603khz a new us frequency? I've not seen it before

Kushan 23-01-2014 08:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Yup, definitely seems much better now.

The Installer 23-01-2014 18:34

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jarrodstrachan (Post 35665230)
US-1 US-2 US-3 US-4
Channel Type 2.0 2.0 N/A N/A
Channel ID 5 7 N/A N/A
Frequency (Hz) 45800000 Hz 60300000 Hz N/A N/A
Ranging Status Success Success N/A N/A
Modulation QAM16 QAM16 N/A N/A
Symbol Rate (Sym/sec) 5120000 5120000 N/A N/A
Mini-Slot Size 128 128 N/A N/A
Power Level (dBmV) 33.3 dBmV 34.3 dBmV N/A N/A
T1 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T2 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T3 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A
T4 Timeouts 0 0 N/A N/A

Is the 603khz a new us frequency? I've not seen it before

Its 60.3 MHz not 603 kHz ;)

New one on me, not seen that before, but if they are going to use more spectrum for upstream, that can only be a good thing.

qasdfdsaq 24-01-2014 00:02

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
60.3Mhz is nice and high. Extended EuroDOCSIS 3 frequencies finally getting use.

jarrodstrachan 24-01-2014 16:23

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Just installed the superhub 2 (in modem mode), also noticed the upstream frequency 53700000.

Also base latency seems to have increased :S

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

horseman 25-01-2014 08:26

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35665491)
60.3Mhz is nice and high. Extended EuroDOCSIS 3 frequencies finally getting use.

Some what a misnomer but in context Cable Labs DOCSIS specs normally refers to 5-85MHz as DOCSIS3 "extended" as opposed to Annex B (euro)DOCSIS which is 5 - 65MHz.

Nit picking possibly.... ;)

Must admit I haven't seen that 60.3MHz frequency only 57.4MHz on Lancing node and I would have thought the former was getting rather close to the diplex filter roll-off?

qasdfdsaq 25-01-2014 13:10

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Ah but Cisco refers to 5-55Mhz as the "Japanese extended upstream frequency range" ;) Nah you're right, I was using "extended" in reference to EuroDOCSIS being higher than standard NA DOCSIS rather than DOCSIS 3 vs. EuroDOCSIS.

Guess they must be using shiny new diplex filters. In this case the US power on 60.3Mhz is only 1dB more than 45.8.

jarrodstrachan 26-01-2014 18:51

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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/m...3899593dc5.png

Already ping is fluctuating a tad only 5 days after a Cat C

Jon22 26-01-2014 19:07

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Anyone else getting some packet loss? Can't say I've noticed it affecting anything.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/05/2.png

roughbeast 12-03-2014 06:15

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I'm not sure what this indicates. Do I see a reboot at 12 noon yesterday? I have detected no changes in config.

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

roughbeast 13-03-2014 06:54

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Why do TBB 'Snapshot Graphs' still change with the passing of time when you post them? It all seems so easy. I click on 'share snapshot graph', click on Generate and then select a small graph to copy and paste. Invariable the resulting graph changes with the passage of time when posted here.

The graph I posted yesterday featured a red blip in an otherwise normal chart. I was wondering if this was some kind of firmware update. Here it is again as a 'previous days' chart.

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Ignitionnet 13-03-2014 08:33

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I saw the same blip at the same time on another VM chart. Probably a routing blip. Firmware is updated upon reboot and would be beta tested before wider release.

Aser 13-03-2014 09:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon22 (Post 35666216)
Anyone else getting some packet loss? Can't say I've noticed it affecting anything.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/05/2.png

I'm getting similar packet loss:
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...13-03-2014.png

That's on a 100mb connection with an SH1 in modem mode. I also haven't noticed any issues with my connection, but packet loss can't be good, so if anyone knows how to fix it, that would be great.

data0002 13-03-2014 12:14

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Well here is mine it's been like this scince they droped the traffic management

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...13-03-2014.png

qasdfdsaq 13-03-2014 13:04

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35680085)
I saw the same blip at the same time on another VM chart. Probably a routing blip. Firmware is updated upon reboot and would be beta tested before wider release.

This.

A reboot/firmware update blip would normally be a lot bigger, 1-2 minutes typically.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35680073)
Why do TBB 'Snapshot Graphs' still change with the passing of time when you post them? It all seems so easy. I click on 'share snapshot graph', click on Generate and then select a small graph to copy and paste. Invariable the resulting graph changes with the passage of time when posted here.

Snapshot graphs snapshot a day, not an exact point in time IIRC.

That means if you generate it before the day is complete it will continue to fill until the end of that day.

Jon22 13-03-2014 13:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35680085)
I saw the same blip at the same time on another VM chart. Probably a routing blip. Firmware is updated upon reboot and would be beta tested before wider release.

Had that blip on my TBB on Tuesday. Although I did have another blip about 1pm ish and then had slightly lower latency afterwards.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...11-03-2014.png

Meekel 16-03-2014 22:18

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My connection has gone to s**t again..

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...16-03-2014.png

alanbjames 16-03-2014 22:37

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...16-03-2014.png


This is my 152mb graph.

philce 17-03-2014 14:02

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
My 100mb in normal mode.

Its a bit of a mess!

Dont know what was going on overnight though, nothing here was on!

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...16-03-2014.png

Sephiroth 17-03-2014 14:25

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
That's not a current snapshot, Phil. Was last night the same?

philce 17-03-2014 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35680986)
That's not a current snapshot, Phil. Was last night the same?

The one I posted earlier was from Sat/Sun overnight.

Something definitely going on 2am-4am

Live graph below.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/23.png

Modem mode from last week.
Drop off at the end was when the SH was replaced for Wi-Fi issues.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...10-03-2014.png

ileikcaek 17-03-2014 15:05

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
^^ I wish my graph was that good, it used to be but since around Christmas it has looked trashy. Could be just since the relaxation and then removal of DS traffic management leading to congestion as speeds have taken a hit on some evenings, once it went as low as 55Mb.

Late last year:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/25.png

A few selected graphs since late December/New year:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/26.png
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/27.png
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/28.png

Sephiroth 17-03-2014 16:06

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Phil, You got anything on your LAN that does stuff every half hour? Like a NAS?

philce 17-03-2014 18:39

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35681032)
Phil, You got anything on your LAN that does stuff every half hour? Like a NAS?

Yes, but I disconnected everything last night.

Im also not aware the NAS does anything to be fair.

I also have major issues with iPlayer on Tivo stuttering all the time too.

Sephiroth 17-03-2014 22:29

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
The NAS question was a start of probing whether you had a PC application running in the background kicking in according to parameter setting. That would then occupy the LAN which would be handled by the router, interrupting TBB just like speed tests do.

The stuttering - is that when viewing via a wired device on your LAN or is it to the TV?

ianch99 18-03-2014 08:34

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Anyone else see a lift in latency at around 10:30pm last night?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-03-2014.png

Sephiroth 18-03-2014 09:06

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Your lift was my fall!


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philce 18-03-2014 09:34

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35681165)
Anyone else see a lift in latency at around 10:30pm last night?

Yep!
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-03-2014.png

---------- Post added at 09:34 ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35681129)
The NAS question was a start of probing whether you had a PC application running in the background kicking in according to parameter setting. That would then occupy the LAN which would be handled by the router, interrupting TBB just like speed tests do.

The stuttering - is that when viewing via a wired device on your LAN or is it to the TV?

Nothing is on on the LAN during the night, except the NAS that "shouldnt" be doing anything!

TV stuttering is on the Tivo iPlayer app, connected via the internal modem or connected to my LAN makes no difference. Lots of chatter about this issue on here and on the VM forums about it.

Sephiroth 18-03-2014 10:21

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Phil

My Tivo iPlayer on Full HD doesn't stutter. So that's likely to be down to local conditions. Would you agree?

As for the NAS, from my distant perspective, it seems you have told me that the NAS is isolated on the LAN at night. I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but I recall that about a year ago there was a similar phenomenon reported and it was diagnosed the NAS was polling out. So perhaps switching it off for a night might reveal something useful.

philce 18-03-2014 11:28

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35681208)
Phil

My Tivo iPlayer on Full HD doesn't stutter. So that's likely to be down to local conditions. Would you agree?

As for the NAS, from my distant perspective, it seems you have told me that the NAS is isolated on the LAN at night. I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase, but I recall that about a year ago there was a similar phenomenon reported and it was diagnosed the NAS was polling out. So perhaps switching it off for a night might reveal something useful.

OK maybe, but the graph on modem mode is much cleaner. (and thats with a cheapo TP link router).

Tivo issues are escalated within VM now and I will be leaving if they are not sorted this week (still in 28 day period).

Sephiroth 18-03-2014 11:54

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Modem mode is good and if you can stay on that I recommend you do.

philce 18-03-2014 12:51

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35681241)
Modem mode is good and if you can stay on that I recommend you do.

Yes I know I was like that a few years ago when with Virgin before.

I have been hammering the Wi-Fi by copying a huge (50Gb+) folder from my laptop to the NAS for the last couple of hours, I see no effect on the ping graph.

I see the latency from last night had fixed itself too, must have been some routing issues in the network?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/23.png

Sephiroth 18-03-2014 13:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
... and your fall was my increase !

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...18-03-2014.png

Kushan 18-03-2014 21:30

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
No change on my graph. Must be a routing thing?

Kushan 19-03-2014 12:36

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Did anyone else get a blip about 02:20 this morning?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...19-03-2014.png

qasdfdsaq 19-03-2014 22:50

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
What ever happened to craigy's ping monitor aggregator site?

roughbeast 20-03-2014 05:59

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35681704)
What ever happened to craigy's ping monitor aggregator site?

http://craigswebsites.co.uk/ping/

Looking as if it hasn't been updated recently, i.e. no Up to 152Mb slot.

Taf 20-03-2014 15:46

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I thought my connection was a bit odd on Monday......


http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...17-03-2014.png

craigj2k12 21-03-2014 12:28

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq (Post 35681704)
What ever happened to craigy's ping monitor aggregator site?

Was becoming a full time job! Havent had much time for anything recently but that another thing on my to-do list

Kushan 21-03-2014 13:41

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
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Anyone else getting little blue bumps in the graph this morning? Nobody's at home and my server isn't doing anything. Not a massive deal, just looks almost regular.

Martin_D 21-03-2014 14:11

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
No, Just High utilisation for me :(

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/17.png

philce 21-03-2014 16:36

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11 (Post 35682211)
No, Just High utilisation for me :(

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/17.png

Looks like youve had the mower on that graph!

Sirius 22-03-2014 10:30

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35682204)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...21-03-2014.png

Anyone else getting little blue bumps in the graph this morning? Nobody's at home and my server isn't doing anything. Not a massive deal, just looks almost regular.

Looks like i did the night before

[IMG]http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...22-03-2014.png[/IMG]

Kushan 25-03-2014 09:18

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...25-03-2014.png

Bit of a bump last night but it seems to have sorted itself.

GefGz 26-03-2014 13:24

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/03/11.png

Joined VM over the weekend due to moving into new flat, there doesn't seem to be much consistency.. This is SH2 not in modem mode, would I benefit from grabbing a N66U and using that?

Sephiroth 26-03-2014 13:54

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Yes - the N66U is widely recognised as a top class router. Also modem mode save you all sorts of hassle when you're not sure that the SH/routing is playing up (albeit the SH2 is a credible device). But the router functions of the SH range are stunted and you'll benefit greatly from the N66U.

roughbeast 29-03-2014 00:42

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Not sure what this double red blip was all about. Ignore the stuff around it. That was P2P in overdrive.

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

craigj2k12 01-04-2014 04:48

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roughbeast (Post 35681738)
http://craigswebsites.co.uk/ping/

Looking as if it hasn't been updated recently, i.e. no Up to 152Mb slot.

Just removed all the dead graphs and simplified the VM graphs into Docsis 1 and 3 groups - save me having to change the title every time VM give you another 4Kb/s... will add some new graphs soon

qasdfdsaq 01-04-2014 12:33

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
D3.1!!111

ileikcaek 03-04-2014 14:50

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
I put my new Asus RT-AC56U into place yesterday, love it, especially with Merlin's firmware.

It has resulted in slightly lower pings on the graph which I expected but of course my graph is still pretty sloppy and has been this way since December. excuse the red however, it was me changing settings/updating firmware etc.

New Live Graph:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2014/04/35.png
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...a49ccc26d5.png

Just as I post this it looks like the tbb monitor service has gone down, all graphs showing red! :LOL:

Synthetic 03-04-2014 15:07

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Same on mine

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-04-2014.png

Dash: CF noob 03-04-2014 15:17

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
DITTO

Kushan 03-04-2014 21:31

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Did anyone else get an issue at about 14:45 today?

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-04-2014.png

The reason I ask is because my office's leased line had a similar issue at the exact same time. Too much of a coincidence (There is a Virgin circuit on that line as well).

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/s...03-04-2014.png

Synthetic 03-04-2014 21:45

Re: Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 35685922)
Did anyone else get an issue at about 14:45 today?

See a couple posts above yours Kush ;) Wasn't at home to notice so not sure if it was a VM network thing or a TBB thing


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