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SnoopZ 04-11-2024 17:50

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Tracker and Agile not looking good tomorrow.

Sirius 04-11-2024 18:36

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36185376)
Tracker and Agile not looking good tomorrow.

It's the first time i have seen it that high. When you look at the NESO app you can see why.

https://www.neso.energy/energy-101/g...y-energy-stats

I had my new meters installed on Saturday and they were all up and running by this morning.

My Mini is not connecting but i will call them tomorrow. It might need resetting to the new Mpan number

Paul 05-11-2024 02:40

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Renewables have been poor this week, especially yesterday ;

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...chmentid=31202

Wind power etc is all very well when its available, but its also highly unstable/unreliable.

Without our gas power generation (and 0.9 GW of imports) we would have been in the shite yesterday (and many other days).

We are a long way from being able to get rid of it.

Chris 05-11-2024 07:32

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Nuclear power is the only long-term viable solution. In the next 10 years we should see small scale reactors built by Rolls Royce starting to pop up. You need 7 of them to produce as much electricity as the new one at Hinckley Point will, but they are much cheaper and faster to build because they smaller and modular in design.

downquark1 05-11-2024 08:54

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How bad does it have to get before they declare a saving session?

Taf 05-11-2024 13:00

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There's been a bit of chat all around about us being asked not to use so much power during "peak periods". Up to now, the carrot has been used to reward us for moving our usage to other times, but the menace of a large stick is looming with higher charges (if you are on a smart meter) during peak periods.

Mr K 05-11-2024 14:35

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36185405)
There's been a bit of chat all around about us being asked not to use so much power during "peak periods". Up to now, the carrot has been used to reward us for moving our usage to other times, but the menace of a large stick is looming with higher charges (if you are on a smart meter) during peak periods.

Smart meters never been for the customer's benefit. A bit like VM's 360 box in that respect.

Call it an 'upgrade', call it progress, give away flashy smart meter displays, and the punters will suck it up and profits increase.

Any 'upgrade' that seemingly costs nothing, beware.

Paul 05-11-2024 15:56

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36185402)
How bad does it have to get before they declare a saving session?

Never.

Saving sessions are when they have too much renewable and need you to use it up, often around 1pm in the afternoon.

Hugh 05-11-2024 16:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36185406)
Smart meters never been for the customer's benefit. A bit like VM's 360 box in that respect.

Call it an 'upgrade', call it progress, give away flashy smart meter displays, and the punters will suck it up and profits increase.

Any 'upgrade' that seemingly costs nothing, beware.

That statement has no basis in fact - the Utility companies were forced, by Government, to roll out Smart Meters and were fined if they didn’t meet the Government targets.

Sirius 05-11-2024 16:20

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That statement has no basis in fact - the Utility companies were forced, by Government, to roll out Smart Meters and were fined if they didn’t meet the Government targets.

Hugh don't go destroying a good old rant with facts. :)

SnoopZ 05-11-2024 16:51

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On Tracker and it'll be 27.4 tomorrow when the SVP is 25.21, it's never been this high.

downquark1 05-11-2024 17:04

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36185409)
Never.

Saving sessions are when they have too much renewable and need you to use it up, often around 1pm in the afternoon.

No, they also have an inverse thing to the spending session where you are paid to use LESS electricity than normal.

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36185416)
On Tracker and it'll be 27.4 tomorrow when the SVP is 25.21, it's never been this high.

Remember the SVP is based on attempting to average the year using predictions, so there will be days where the tracker is worse (just hopefully not many of them).

SnoopZ 05-11-2024 17:24

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36185417)
No, they also have an inverse thing to the spending session where you are paid to use LESS electricity than normal.

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Remember the SVP is based on attempting to average the year using predictions, so there will be days where the tracker is worse (just hopefully not many of them).

It's never been 26 let alone 27.4, like you say hopefully not many of them.

Paul 06-11-2024 02:59

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Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36185417)
No, they also have an inverse thing to the spending session where you are paid to use LESS electricity than normal.

I've not come across those in my time at Octopus, but I looked it up and they do indeed seem to happen (or at least they did). :)

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36185416)
On Tracker and it'll be 27.4 tomorrow when the SVP is 25.21, it's never been this high.

SVP ? Do you mean SVT ? :angel:

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These are a bad few days, but I looked up the historic rates and the same hapened in November & December last year (and a few in October, which didnt really happen this year). Overall, the few pence more I'm paying on these days is more than offset by my savings on the other days, so while its always irritating to be paying more for a few days, I'm not concerned atm. In the last week, I have paid 73p more across 3 days, and £1.39 less over the other 4 days, so still 56p better off overall.

Taf 06-11-2024 12:24

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Yet another email from Scottish Power trying to get me to accept a smart meter.


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