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Official data proves Boris was wrong about £350m a week to Brussels.

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Well, whaddya know! Still stands though, name me a year when we sent either figure to Brussels and I will pay everyone here a tenner*

*example not commitment

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No, you are wrong, as Ramrod demonstrates.

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Apologies, I was quoting what told by the Vote Leave campaign. Was vote leave lying or wrong? Of course we don’t give the EU £363m either...

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It's only recently the ONS released the £363 figure.

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Where's the link to the quote you posted? It doesn't make for a good debate if you continue to post unsourced quotes which turn out to be from the quill of Brextremist Daniel Hannan and not a genuine remainer. I'm sure Mr K is flattered you took time out to locate his wise words from 2016 but he's not the source of your quote.
Why not post something positive like this i if you want to argue for Brexit rather than unsourced fakery?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-brexit-vote/

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How are they wise words when they were totally inaccurate ? :dozey:

There was not a recession in 2017 as he said was predicted.

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I have already said that the sums were misleading but the premise of the suggestion, was not a total lie, we do pay a hefty fee and it is that hefty fee we can spend on the NHS, not will spend, but can spend once we leave.

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Correct. You know it, I know it and they know it but they still persist in misrepesenting the facts because it suits their anti-Brexit agenda. That's all we need to know.

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I get what you're doing - trying to move the debate on from a fake quote to a debate about Mr K's actual post back in 2016. Not sure why you think this is necessary, we all post in haste from time to time.

I never thought I'd say this. But with yet another scandalised leaver leaving by example, I can see Brexit not happening as the Government falls apart. :D

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You’re pissing in the wind with that ridiculous assertion.

As I said in another thread, democracy ran it’s course, the result of it has to be respected and I’m sorry (well actually, I’m not) to burst your remoaner bubble, but heaven forbid we get a Labour government, they are still for brexit.

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George osborne and the treasury both said that a vote to leave would plunge the UK into a two year recession not hard to find out and verify took me about two minutes also for the first time i looked at this bus slogan so many remain supporters get in a tizzy about it doesn't state spend all the money on the NHS it states "we send the eu 350 million per week, lets fund the NHS instead" no commitment for the whole misrepresented amount at all. Also on Mr K and his laughable "the EU is doing well" only if you ignore Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal and also ignoring the massive ticking bomb that is Deutsche bank that thanks to it's business model could not just collapse but take down the Euro and start another banking domino collapse yes they are doing fantastic. Also keep ignoring the ECB cutting its bonds from €60 billion Euros to €40 billion that will increase pressure on Italy that currently has a debt to GDP of 133%.

As for the UK bungling the brexit negotiations not exactly accurate either the UK has asked the EU for a specific figure on the so called divorce bill and the EU will not give one it is asking the UK for a blind assurance that it will pay the sum the EU eventually decide on. For all you little EU fans tell me would you sign a legal agreement to give me money without knowing a specific amount before signing we all know the answer to that one so stop expecting us to do nationally what none of you would do individually and instead of directing all your vitriol at the UK try directing it at the EU to act in a sensible manner I won't hold my breath.

It was depressing to come back here and see this forum still stuck in the same childish rut with the usual members trying to be superior when they are anything but and i had hoped there would be an actual debate stupid me i will leave again so you can continue in what is normal for this forum.

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Good post. :tu:

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The Eurozone is recovering and they're starting to see healthy economic growth too. It's premature to say all is well of course but it is recovering. Just the other week there GDP growth continued: https://www.theguardian.com/business...ment-inflation. The Deutsche bank crisis has largely passed and been isolated off, they didn't need a bailout in the end, so any risk will probably only be to the bank itself.

Again it's still not great, neither are we, but anyone hoping for a collapse will be disappointed unless a new crisis comes in from somewhere.

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The EU's underlying problems (banking, Greek debt, right wing extremism, migration etc etc.) haven't been fixed and until they have another crisis could very easily happen there just as it could here.

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I think every member State if acted independently, would thrive better than being in a EU bloc, there is only about 10ish net contributors, we are one of them.

Some of the 28 are having their life choked out if them, just look at how many deals we could have, but oh no, we have to conform to EU rules and cannot set our own trade deals.

I don’t think anybody wants Europe as a continent to fail, but I care very little on the corrupt EU.