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1andrew1 22-10-2017 02:04
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35920712)
The Tories have been ordered to abstain on the vote about Universal Credit (it's non-brinding) so Labour have ensured the vote goes ahead rather than being noded though by putting forward two of their own MPs as No: https://twitter.com/elashton/status/920711929274011652
Looks like the Conservatives have appreciated that there is an issue with Universal Credit and plan to do something about it.
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In a significant shift in tone, ministers are understood to have signalled that they are looking at ways to reduce the waiting time for the Government’s new benefits scheme from six weeks, with backbenchers pushing for a reduction to one month.
It follows interventions by Sir John Major, the former prime minister, as well as some of Mrs May’s own MPs, who warn that the system is undermining her pledge to champion “ordinary working-class” families.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d-fears-could/

Osem 22-10-2017 11:27
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921046)
But that’s the point isn’t it? He was talking to a guy he knows and the others knew. He wasn’t saying it to a random woman.



Well it would depend on the context. If he said it to a friend in jest it’s very different to a stranger with malice.
Really, so it couldn't possibly betray the possibility that this guy is just a nasty piece of work who doesn't at all mind abusively stereotyping other people who dare to disagree with his views on migration and couldn't care less about using foul insults as he did when he called Wes Streeting a 'jumped up little turd'.

Damien 22-10-2017 12:36
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35921323)
Really, so it couldn't possibly betray the possibility that this guy is just a nasty piece of work who doesn't at all mind abusively stereotyping other people who dare to disagree with his views on migration and couldn't care less about using foul insults as he did when he called Wes Streeting a 'jumped up little turd'.
I just think it's an unwise thing he said but not especially bad in the context since he said it to a friend and a man. I don't really have much more to say on it because I don't care. If calling someone that irrespective on the context is damning then that's going to be a tough standard to enforce.

1andrew1 22-10-2017 12:48
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921349)
I just think it's an unwise thing he said but not especially bad in the context since he said it to a friend and a man. I don't really have much more to say on it because I don't care. If calling someone that irrespective on the context is damning then that's going to be a tough standard to enforce.
It would be authoritarian if you can't have some banter with your mates, but if you're in a public area and a politician it's obviously a bit unwise.

Osem 22-10-2017 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921349)
I just think it's an unwise thing he said but not especially bad in the context since he said it to a friend and a man. I don't really have much more to say on it because I don't care. If calling someone that irrespective on the context is damning then that's going to be a tough standard to enforce.
There are all sorts of things you can't go around calling people regardless of the context - the N word would be one. For a guy in this position it's appalling but not at all surprising that he used this language because this sort of underlying nastiness and hypocrisy runs through sections of his party.

Those of his colleagues who've condemned him have either done so sincerely or they're just going through the motions because it suits their purpose for one reason or another.

Had it been a Tory who behaved in this manner people like Lewis would have been the first to be jumping up and down with indignant rage demanding resignation and whining on about Tory nastiness.

GrimUpNorth 22-10-2017 23:59
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35921375)
There are all sorts of things you can't go around calling people regardless of the context - the N word would be one. For a guy in this position it's appalling but not at all surprising that he used this language because this sort of underlying nastiness and hypocrisy runs through sections of his party.

Those of his colleagues who've condemned him have either done so sincerely or they're just going through the motions because it suits their purpose for one reason or another.

Had it been a Tory who behaved in this manner people like Lewis would have been the first to be jumping up and down with indignant rage demanding resignation and whining on about Tory nastiness.
I know what you mean ;)

Cheers

Dave

1andrew1 04-11-2017 09:32
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Despite the chaos the Government's in, the opposition continues to put its foot in it regularly. This time Harriet Harman. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8035766.html

denphone 04-11-2017 09:40
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35923188)
Despite the chaos the Government's in, the opposition continues to put its foot in it regularly. This time Harriet Harman. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8035766.html
As l say its pretty endemic across most of the political parties sadly.

Damien 07-11-2017 20:10
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This is pretty extraordinary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...i-army-secret/
  • She met the Israeli PM on holiday.
  • Didn't tell the Foreign Office or the Cabinet Office despite telling The Guardian she had.
  • Then came back to the Cabinet and suggest policy based on these meetings without telling anyone she had them.
  • Didn't tell May ahead of her own visit with Netanyahu that she had already met him.
  • Is not fired.

denphone 07-11-2017 20:19
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Theresa May is not strong enough anymore to fire her and Boris IMO as the election and subsequent events since then have weakened her hand considerably.

papa smurf 07-11-2017 20:37
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35923696)
This is pretty extraordinary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...i-army-secret/
  • She met the Israeli PM on holiday.
  • Didn't tell the Foreign Office or the Cabinet Office despite telling The Guardian she had.
  • Then came back to the Cabinet and suggest policy based on these meetings without telling anyone she had them.
  • Didn't tell May ahead of her own visit with Netanyahu that she had already met him.
  • Is not fired.
maybe she was working on behalf of her constituents

Mr K 07-11-2017 20:46
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35923702)
maybe she was working on behalf of her constituents
Do the constituents of Witham in Essex, have a special interest in Israeli affairs ?. I would have though they are more concerned about pot holes ( rightly so !)

papa smurf 07-11-2017 22:18
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35923705)
Do the constituents of Witham in Essex, have a special interest in Israeli affairs ?. I would have though they are more concerned about pot holes ( rightly so !)
they might be Jewish ;)

Mick 08-11-2017 01:39
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Not seeing the issue.

All these pathetic media witch hunts need to end. Boris is Boris and I prefer to have a gaffe prone MP running the foreign office than that ghastly rude vile creature, called Emily Thornberry, who attacked a white van man on Twitter, a few years back, his crime: for being patriotic, in his own country during an international football tournament and putting up an English flag.

Damien 08-11-2017 07:13
Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35923755)
Not seeing the issue.
The issue is a cabinet minister is going off seemingly going freelance with foreign policy without informing the PM, cabinet office, foreign office or the foreign secretary.

Quote:
All these pathetic media witch hunts need to end. Boris is Boris and I prefer to have a gaffe prone MP running the foreign office than that ghastly rude vile creature, called Emily Thornberry, who attacked a white van man on Twitter, a few years back, his crime: for being patriotic, in his own country during an international football tournament and putting up an English flag.
'Boris is Boris' is not sufficient excuse for his 'gaff' either. Words matter and he can't keep claiming exemption because of his personality. If Iran do use his words to extend a British citizens detention then that is far worse than making a comment about a flag.


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