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Arthurgray50@blu 07-08-2007 23:30
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
I stand corrected, forum members, on this matter, l was looking at the fact of how the press has ' stretched ' the matter of what they believe is happening, and what they think, l buy in the region of SIX PAPERS per day on this matter and try and read between the lines, and then watch Sky News, to try and get a picture of what is happening, we have heard so much about this case, you can visualise you actually being there and trying to look for her yourself.

Saaf_laandon_mo 08-08-2007 07:59
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris T (Post 34370449)
I don't think anyone is assuming the McCanns butchered their daughter and buried her body Arthur. We've just been spending some time considering how likely an explanation it is. Some of us think it more or less likely than others.

None of us want that to be the case and I don't think anyone's assuming it is. We all want to see Madeleine home safely.
I have previously said that I think the McGann's know more than they are letting on, but I think the most important think is that we all want to see Madeline returned home. However it is looking less and less likely that this will be the case, so now I just hope whoever has done it, whether they are some paedo, friends of the family, family members or even the parents themselves, get's exactly what they deserve for a truly horrendous crime. These people deserve to be put down in my opinion.

mrmistoffelees 08-08-2007 10:16
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
If i remember correctly from the point of four hours of going missing is when the chances of someone being found alive rapidly decrease :(

Pierre 08-08-2007 11:34
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Unfortunately I believe the chances of seeing that little girl alive again are nil.

Her parents can't, and will, never give up hope but the rest of us know it wont happen.

There is too much media attention, not saying that's a bad thing or blaming them. But it's too dangerous for whoever abducted her to keep her alive.

The McCanns heartache is a terrible thing, but when I see them visiting the Pope and other VIPs and the countless press conferences/column inches/TV spots.

But when I see them my heart really goes out to the parent of the all the other children that have gone missing:

In the UK alone
Quote:
on average, every five minutes of every day a child goes missing in the UK
That's a 100,000 a year, which put's it in perspective a bit.

Source http://www.publications.parliament.u...70117-0006.htm

These parents are not getting the support or attention the McCanns are getting.

I agree that it is a good thing to keep the pressure up to find out what has happened to Medaline but I also think that it may be best to let the investigation to continue without the media frenzy.

I mean the current issue, blood spots found in the room. They could be from anyone, anyone who may have stayed in the room prior to the McCanns, it hasn't even been confirmed that it is blood. But the media kicks off, and right on cue the McCanns are wheeled out - press interview " we still thinks she's alive" etc etc.

Is this going to happen every time there is an unconfirmed lead???

Can't we just leave them alone until there is a concrete piece of evidence?

mrmistoffelees 08-08-2007 11:44
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Interestingly enough I note seeing this morning that the father has 'suddenly' remembered playing hide and seek with her apparently moments before she dissapeared

Ill find the source shortly

Saaf_laandon_mo 08-08-2007 12:20
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34370683)
Interestingly enough I note seeing this morning that the father has 'suddenly' remembered playing hide and seek with her apparently moments before she dissapeared

Ill find the source shortly

What, He got her to count to a 100,000 while he and the missus dissapeared to eat with their friends.????

mrmistoffelees 08-08-2007 12:28
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34370701)
What, He got her to count to a 100,000 while he and the missus dissapeared to eat with their friends.????
I thought it odd too, just remember either reading it or seeing it, still trying to find where :erm:

Gareth 08-08-2007 13:02
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
The Scotsman (article) has a piece saying that the focus of the investigation has shifted from the child being kidnapped to her being accidentally killed in the apartment.

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Portuguese newspapers reported detectives suspect the four-year-old was not abducted, but was accidentally killed in the holiday flat on 3 May.

Last night, a statement from a Portuguese police spokesman

said: "There are some indications she had not been alive when she was taken."

But he added the theory that she was alive when she was taken could not be discounted. He said other people could be interviewed by the end of the week.

Diario De Noticias, a respected broadsheet, said Portuguese detectives had known for the past month that Madeleine had died on 3 May, and it said they had "definitively abandoned" the kidnapping theory.

The newspaper Jornal De Noticias reported that one sniffer dog detected traces of blood on a wall at the family apartment, while another dog picked up the scent of a dead body. The blood traces are being examined by DNA specialists and tested against Madeleine's genetic profile.

The Jornal De Noticias reported: "The discoveries made by the sniffer dogs strongly support the theory that [Madeleine] died in her parents' hotel room, either - as Portuguese detectives believe - the victim of an unexplained accident, or the victim of a crime. The theory that she was kidnapped seems more and more remote."

Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, of the investigative Policia Judiciara, said it was the "official position" that the McCanns were not suspects.

Mr_love_monkey 08-08-2007 14:01
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34370705)
I thought it odd too, just remember either reading it or seeing it, still trying to find where :erm:
Yeah... sure it wasn't someones idea of a (sick) joke, about hide and seek?

Osem 08-08-2007 14:02
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34370676)
Unfortunately I believe the chances of seeing that little girl alive again are nil.

Her parents can't, and will, never give up hope but the rest of us know it wont happen.

There is too much media attention, not saying that's a bad thing or blaming them. But it's too dangerous for whoever abducted her to keep her alive.

The McCanns heartache is a terrible thing, but when I see them visiting the Pope and other VIPs and the countless press conferences/column inches/TV spots.

But when I see them my heart really goes out to the parent of the all the other children that have gone missing:

In the UK alone

That's a 100,000 a year, which put's it in perspective a bit.

Source http://www.publications.parliament.u...70117-0006.htm

These parents are not getting the support or attention the McCanns are getting.

I agree that it is a good thing to keep the pressure up to find out what has happened to Medaline but I also think that it may be best to let the investigation to continue without the media frenzy.

I mean the current issue, blood spots found in the room. They could be from anyone, anyone who may have stayed in the room prior to the McCanns, it hasn't even been confirmed that it is blood. But the media kicks off, and right on cue the McCanns are wheeled out - press interview " we still thinks she's alive" etc etc.

Is this going to happen every time there is an unconfirmed lead???

Can't we just leave them alone until there is a concrete piece of evidence?
Agree 100%

Heard Mrs McCann in a lengthy BBC radio interview earlier. I do feel very sorry about what's happened yet her comment that they felt it was safe to leave their young children in those circumstances still astonish me. They are obviously fixated on the abduction but what about the other risks of leaving such young children alone in a hotel room? She repeated that they'd checked the children regularly but wasn't pressed and didn't clarify exactly how often or how far away they were. I may have missed these details somewhere along the way but this still all seems rather too vague.

My heart goes out to those other parents who've lost children and whose plight is being largely ignored.

XFS03 08-08-2007 14:15
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34370429)
...if you remember the press have stated that a witness, SAW the person kidnap the girl...
...and that witness just happened to be one of the McCann's friends. Coincidence?

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34370429)
...the child was within several feet of the restuarant...
I wouldn't say that 233 feet was "several", even further in actual walking distance. Let's not forget that despite initial reports, the apartment was outside the holiday complex, in a public road, hidden by a 6-7 ft concrete wall, with the doors left unlocked.

---------- Post added at 13:09 ---------- Previous post was at 13:02 ----------

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34370763)
...She repeated that they'd checked the children regularly but wasn't pressed and didn't clarify exactly how often...
That's something I picked up on as well. In all the interviews I have seen, neither of them specified how often they checked up on the children. They have been very vague.

---------- Post added at 13:15 ---------- Previous post was at 13:09 ----------

Just watching the BBC news. The DNA taken from the drinks bottle in Belgium turns out to be that of a male. Also UK forensic scientists in Birmingham will be carrying out tests on the substance found in the apartment. They wont confirm that the substance found was actually blood.

Saaf_laandon_mo 08-08-2007 14:16
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
The police statements reportedly said that the last time they (the parents) had seen her in the room was about 45min-1hour before they discovered she was abducted. This means that no one echecked on her for one hour or so. Totally irresponsible.

The way I look at it the longer its dealt with as an abduction, the more and more time attention is deflected from the fact that they left her alone. Like I said earlier, if she had not been abducted and had fallen down some stairs, was lying with a broken leg for 45 minutes at the bottom, her parents would have been done for neglect at the least!

I dont like the fact that everytime I read an interview they still say it felt a normal thing to do (i.e to leave a child alone whilst you're out wining and dining), and that it happens all the time, its normal, people do it everyday at home etc etc etc etc.

The bottom line is it happening all the time does not make it right or responsible parenting.

mrmistoffelees 08-08-2007 14:21
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34370759)
Yeah... sure it wasn't someones idea of a (sick) joke, about hide and seek?
No, certainly not to my knowledge ? unless you are aware of something i am not ?

Mr_love_monkey 08-08-2007 14:28
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34370771)
No, certainly not to my knowledge ? unless you are aware of something i am not ?
Only that I have seen some 'jokes' floating around regarding 'hide and seek' and her winning the world championship kind of thing?

hmm.. interesting theory here

mrmistoffelees 08-08-2007 14:33
Re: Toddler 'abducted' during holiday
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34370772)
Only that I have seen some 'jokes' floating around regarding 'hide and seek' and her winning the world championship kind of thing?

hmm.. interesting theory here
Sorry Mr monkey but never seen or heard the jokes in question

Theory ? erm, sounds ever so slightly odd but again whilst unlikely its a possible


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