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pip08456 23-06-2020 20:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36040969)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...avirus-vaccine

[EXTRACT]

The virus will still be tough to conquer with a vaccine that lasts for years.

“It will be harder to get rid of Covid than smallpox,” says Brilliant. With smallpox it was at least clear who was infected, whereas people with coronavirus can spread it without knowing. A thornier problem is that as long as the infection rages in one country, all other nations are at risk.

As David Salisbury, the former director of immunisation at the Department of Health, told a Chatham House webinar recently: “Unless we have a vaccine available in unbelievable quantities that could be administered extraordinarily quickly in all communities in the world we will have gaps in our defences that the virus can continue to circulate in.”


Not looking good, is it, Hugh? As I said, this virus is not going anywhere soon.

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And we'll believe it when we see it.
There's also this.

Quote:
The Government’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance has said the R number for the transmission of the coronavirus remains below one across the UK.

He told the daily No 10 briefing that the epidemic continued to shrink – “albeit slowly” – by between 2% and 4% a day.

He said that currently around 0.06% of the population of the UK – 33,000 people – was now estimated to have the disease and that the numbers were “flattening off” rather than going down to zero.

“Don’t be fooled that this means it has gone away. The disease is growing across the world. It is coming down in the UK but it hasn’t gone away,” he said.

Pierre 23-06-2020 21:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
The problem is that the country is now at the stage of not giving a shit anymore.

They’ve served their time and done their bit and now they had enough.

RichardCoulter 24-06-2020 00:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36040890)
Boat :cleader::cleader::cleader:
I wonder if people who permanently live on a boat had to remain stationery as it would otherwise have been classed as non essential travel!

Hugh 24-06-2020 00:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040980)
The problem is that the country is now at the stage of not giving a shit anymore.

They’ve served their time and done their bit and now they had enough.
Let’s hope the virus feels the same way...

papa smurf 24-06-2020 07:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36041008)
I wonder if people who permanently live on a boat had to remain stationery as it would otherwise have been classed as non essential travel!
They got chucked out of the marina's,and all the facilities were closed so no fuel/water/gas/toilet pump out.

RichardCoulter 24-06-2020 09:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041015)
They got chucked out of the marina's,and all the facilities were closed so no fuel/water/gas/toilet pump out.
Wow, but that was their home. Doing this forced them to travel too.

papa smurf 24-06-2020 09:14
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36041023)
Wow, but that was their home. Doing this forced them to travel too.
Locally those who lived on caravan parks were turfed out,many people had to sofa surf with friends.

Pierre 24-06-2020 10:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041009)
Let’s hope the virus fells the same way...
Lockdown has effectively been over for three weeks, in regards to the younger generation there hasn't even been a lockdown.

Yet the numbers have continued to go down.

It will be interesting to see what the numbers are like at the end of July.

Chris 24-06-2020 10:29
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041015)
They got chucked out of the marina's,and all the facilities were closed so no fuel/water/gas/toilet pump out.
The Canals & Rivers Trust made special arrangements for live-aboard canal users. Nobody should have been denied facilities that needed them, although obviously the holiday focused private marinas will have all shut.

papa smurf 24-06-2020 10:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36041029)
The Canals & Rivers Trust made special arrangements for live-aboard canal users. Nobody should have been denied facilities that needed them, although obviously the holiday focused private marinas will have all shut.
The marina where i moor my boat was locked up,you couldn't even get on site to check your boat was safe,there was guidance from the broads authority about taking a fuel can to a local garage if you lived on the water and ran out of fuel[ not practical as garages are a bit rare],but you need water and toilet pump outs and these are all on commercial facilities which were forced to close, you don't get large communities living on the broads like you do on the canals and canals have self service facilities for pump outs.
my boat has a holding tank and a sea toilet so taking a dump is no problem :)

1andrew1 24-06-2020 15:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Some great examples of how Africa countries have been successful in managing Covid 19.
Quote:
Senegal is in a good position because its Covid-19 response planning began in earnest in January, as soon as the first international alert on the virus went out. The government closed the borders, initiated a comprehensive plan of contact tracing and, because it is a nation of multiple-occupation households, offered a bed for every single coronavirus patient in either a hospital or a community health facility.
As a result, this nation of 16 million people has had only 30 deaths. Each death has been acknowledged individually by the government, and condolences paid to the family. You can afford to see each death as a person when the numbers are at this level. At every single one of those stages, the UK did the opposite, and is now facing a death toll of more than 35,000.

Ghana, with a population of 30 million, has a similar death toll to Senegal, partly because of an extensive system of contact tracing, utilising a large number of community health workers and volunteers, and other innovative techniques such as “pool testing”, in which multiple blood samples are tested and then followed up as individual tests only if a positive result is found. The advantages in this approach are now being studied by the World Health Organization.
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampp...tion-europe-us

Pierre 24-06-2020 16:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041045)
Some great examples of how Africa countries have been successful in managing Covid 19.

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampp...tion-europe-us
Ah yes, the major international hub that is Senegal!

Hugh 24-06-2020 17:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061288
Quote:
Coronavirus: Human trial of new vaccine begins in UK

Volunteers have begun being immunised with a new UK coronavirus vaccine.

About 300 people will have the vaccine over the coming weeks, as part of a trial led by Prof Robin Shattock and his colleagues, at Imperial College London.

Tests in animals suggest the vaccine is safe and triggers an effective immune response.

Experts at Oxford University have already started human trials.

The trials are among many across the world - there are around 120 vaccine programmes under way.

Kathy, 39, who works in finance, is one of the first volunteers taking part in the Imperial trial.

She said she volunteered because she wanted to play a part in fighting the virus.

"I think it came from not really knowing what I could do to help, and this turned out to be something that I could do.

"And understanding that it's not likely that things will get back to normal until there is a vaccine, so wanting to be part of that progress as well."

After this first phase, another trial is being planned for October, involving 6,000 people.

The Imperial team hopes the vaccine could be distributed in the UK and overseas from early 2021.

1andrew1 24-06-2020 18:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041059)
That sounds encouraging. :)

Damien 25-06-2020 08:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/06/19.png

:erm:

papa smurf 25-06-2020 09:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041118)
That's not going to be a holiday destination :erm:

1andrew1 25-06-2020 10:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
The adverse situation in the Americas (not featuring on this graph) and the USA (shown on this graph) are very concerning.
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sensibly imposing a two-week quarantine on visitors from states with high infection rates.

A reader comment from "Homeboy" on the FT indicates why some countries may have got into this situation.
Quote:
This is the singular benefit of this Covid nightmare, it completely and ruthlessly exposes the incompetent, the unprepared and those lacking vision to adapt. Trump, Johnson and Bolsonaro are the same lazy and tactless chancers who hooked onto the populist bandwagon to gain Leadership. The reality is their governments are full of unskilled sycophants who do not have the technocratic skills to run a Nation.
Populism doesn’t work as much as hate never wins. The wheel is millennia old and there’s no point in reinventing it - we always self-correct, albeit painfully and over time.
https://www.ft.com/content/e3a23551-...b-11dd1f74020f

Carth 25-06-2020 11:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
That's an alarming rise in USA cases over the last couple of weeks . . .

gosh, I wonder what could have caused that :rolleyes:

1andrew1 25-06-2020 11:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041129)
That's an alarming rise in USA cases over the last couple of weeks . . .

gosh, I wonder what could have caused that :rolleyes:
It must the BLM protests?
Wait - the UK had those as well and we're on the decline.
Must be something else. ;)

nomadking 25-06-2020 11:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041128)
The adverse situation in the Americas (not featuring on this graph) and the USA (shown on this graph) are very concerning.
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sensibly imposing a two-week quarantine on visitors from states with high infection rates.

A reader comment from "Homeboy" on the FT indicates why some countries may have got into this situation.

https://www.ft.com/content/e3a23551-...b-11dd1f74020f
The primary responsibility lies with the individual states. That is why individual states can introduce such measures.

Carth 25-06-2020 11:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041130)
It must the BLM protests?
Wait - the UK had those as well and we're on the decline.
Must be something else. ;)
That's true . . . probably those damn Russians again eh Andrew :p:

joglynne 25-06-2020 12:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
JUN 23 20204:12 PM

Trump blames rise in coronavirus cases on increased testing, despite evidence of more spread
Quote:
snippet :- “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country, and ever expanding,” Trump tweeted Tuesday. “With smaller testing we would show fewer cases!”

However, public health specialists have repeatedly said the data does not indicate that increased testing accounts for the recent surge in daily new cases. To dispel claims that testing is to blame for the country’s growing outbreak, epidemiologists point to a figure known as the positivity rate, which indicates the percent of tests that come back positive in a given region.

snip

That States are finding more cases relative to the amount of tests they are conducting provides the strongest rebuttal to the administration’s assertion that case numbers are rising because we’re getting better at finding cases through increased testing,” Jennifer Nuzzo, lead epidemiologist of Johns Hopkins University’s Covid-19 Testing Insights Initiative, wrote in an op-ed for The Washington Post. “They tell us the opposite — that each of these states needs to do even more testing to find infections — followed by more rigorous contact tracing and isolation.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/trum...of-spread.html

nomadking 25-06-2020 12:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36041137)
JUN 23 20204:12 PM

Trump blames rise in coronavirus cases on increased testing, despite evidence of more spread


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/23/trum...of-spread.html
A truer measure would the number of hospitalisations required. That is independent of any testing regime.

Chris 25-06-2020 12:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041128)
The adverse situation in the Americas (not featuring on this graph) and the USA (shown on this graph) are very concerning.
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut are sensibly imposing a two-week quarantine on visitors from states with high infection rates.

A reader comment from "Homeboy" on the FT indicates why some countries may have got into this situation.

https://www.ft.com/content/e3a23551-...b-11dd1f74020f
A minor point perhaps, but I’m disinclined to give much credence to the opinions of people who believe they know where and when to Capitalise their words but Obviously don’t.

1andrew1 25-06-2020 13:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041133)
That's true . . . probably those damn Russians again eh Andrew :p:
Well, if the Russia report was published we might be able to make more informed comments.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...20-6?r=US&IR=T

Carth 25-06-2020 13:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041148)
Well, if the Russia report was published we might be able to make more informed comments.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...20-6?r=US&IR=T
'sigh' yet another link to a page that wants me to turn adblocker off

oh well, no loss there then :p:

Hugh 25-06-2020 14:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041151)
'sigh' yet another link to a page that wants me to turn adblocker off

oh well, no loss there then :p:
There you go - happy to help.

https://news.sky.com/story/mp-anger-...eport-12012808

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53142649

Carth 25-06-2020 14:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Cheers Hugh, quite an interesting read . . if you're paranoid about alleged Russian influence in everything and anything ;)

joglynne 25-06-2020 15:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Track and trace figures covering – Week Three of contact tracing, England: 11 – 17 June

Hugh 25-06-2020 19:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041163)
Cheers Hugh, quite an interesting read . . if you're paranoid about alleged Russian influence in everything and anything ;)
I used to be "paranoid about Russians" for a living; the same people I was "paranoid" about are still running Russia, using the same political "influencing" tactics, but now with the power of social media and Big Data to get messages across - much more cost effective and better targeted.

papa smurf 25-06-2020 20:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041216)
I used to be "paranoid about Russians" for a living; the same people I was "paranoid" about are still running Russia, using the same political "influencing" tactics, but now with the power of social media and Big Data to get messages across - much more cost effective and better targeted.
Keep your radar turned on,and your finger on the trigger;)

Pierre 25-06-2020 21:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040980)
The problem is that the country is now at the stage of not giving a shit anymore.

They’ve served their time and done their bit and now they had enough.
https://news.sky.com/story/major-inc...aches-12014686

The prosecution rests.

The U.K. has officially, taken itself out lockdown.

Like I say, look forward to the end of July stats.

Paul 25-06-2020 21:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041130)
It must the BLM protests?
Wait - the UK had those as well and we're on the decline.
Must be something else. ;)
Wait .. what ?
We're on the decline because of protests ? :erm:

Or do you simply believe they had no effect at all :confused:
Are people just being paranoid ? Is social distancing really a waste of time ? :scratch:

I guess another 2 or 3 weeks will show us, not just from all the protests, but all the holiday crowds of the last few days as well. :angel:

Damien 25-06-2020 21:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
The protests, both the BLM and the counter one, would have shown up in figures by now.

Pierre 26-06-2020 09:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041241)
The protests, both the BLM and the counter one, would have shown up in figures by now.
Indeed, and if there is no increase after thousands hit the beaches yesterday what does that tell everyone?

Damien 26-06-2020 09:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041285)
Indeed, and if there is no increase after thousands hit the beaches yesterday what does that tell everyone?
That we don't understand the virus well enough yet?

It is weird how it seems to be going away on its own. Also weird it's not going away in America where they are having a surge of cases.

My best guess is that lockdown drove the virus to such low numbers in Europe that it'll take a sustained period of people breaking social distancing for it gain a foothold again. After all, it doesn't transmit instantly. If I give it you at a protest then you're not also going to give it anyone at that protest, it'll take days before you can spread it, so you're not going to get exponential growth in one day of a mass gathering.

The 'R' number, that amount of people that one person can give it too, might be a lot higher at the protest if only a handful of people are spreading it then maybe that's a few handfuls of people that will catch it. Still small numbers.

Sephiroth 26-06-2020 09:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36041285)
Indeed, and if there is no increase after thousands hit the beaches yesterday what does that tell everyone?
That's the point. Test the risk - if you're brave/stupid enough to do it. The rest of us will find out - but suffer if there is a further lock down.

Hugh 26-06-2020 09:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36041289)
That's the point. Test the risk - if you're brave/stupid enough to do it. The rest of us will find out - but suffer if there is a further lock down.
Or if someone we know knows someone who was that stupid, unfortunately...

downquark1 26-06-2020 09:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
There is already evidence it doesn't transmit as effectively outside. This could be an effect of UV light or temperature.

Hugh 26-06-2020 09:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041288)
That we don't understand the virus well enough yet?

It is weird how it seems to be going away on its own. Also weird it's not going away in America where they are having a surge of cases.

My best guess is that lockdown drove the virus to such low numbers in Europe that it'll take a sustained period of people breaking social distancing for it gain a foothold again. After all, it doesn't transmit instantly. If I give it you at a protest then you're not also going to give it anyone at that protest, it'll take days before you can spread it, so you're not going to get exponential growth in one day of a mass gathering.

The 'R' number, that amount of people that one person can give it too, might be a lot higher at the protest if only a handful of people are spreading it then maybe that's a few handfuls of people that will catch it. Still small numbers.
Interesting point in this article from NPR
Quote:
"We have seen almost a near flip in the cases that we're experiencing," Lautenbach says. "So in April of this year, we were really struggling with long-term-care outbreaks. And so about 3 out of 4 people were over the age of 30 and really pretty heavily skewed to 60-plus. And by contrast, in June, we're seeing that now 2 out of 3 people that have contracted this disease are under 29."

That trend is mirrored in Florida, where the median age for COVID-19 patients dropped from 65 years old in March to 37 in late June. Dr. Cheryl Holder, an associate professor at Herbert Wertheim College of Medicine at Florida International University, says that's partly because young people are getting exposed more.

"It's really basically who gets exposed," Holder tells Morning Edition. "If you look who is staying in and following the guidelines, [it's] older people who are at risk. The older folks got [the message]; the young people, not so much."

That's Lautenbach's worry too.

"The concern is that because these younger people are having more mild symptoms, they are going to work sick, they are visiting with their parents and grandparents sick and they're continuing to go to social events where they expose more and more people," Lautenbach says. "So when we think about that web of spread, that web just grows and grows and grows."

jfman 27-06-2020 13:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041288)
That we don't understand the virus well enough yet?

It is weird how it seems to be going away on its own. Also weird it's not going away in America where they are having a surge of cases.

My best guess is that lockdown drove the virus to such low numbers in Europe that it'll take a sustained period of people breaking social distancing for it gain a foothold again. After all, it doesn't transmit instantly. If I give it you at a protest then you're not also going to give it anyone at that protest, it'll take days before you can spread it, so you're not going to get exponential growth in one day of a mass gathering.

The 'R' number, that amount of people that one person can give it too, might be a lot higher at the protest if only a handful of people are spreading it then maybe that's a few handfuls of people that will catch it. Still small numbers.
I think the key is in bold. Yes there are people out protesting. However statistically if 1 in 2000 people have (some of those in hospital) it how many at the protest do? An outside activity, some with facemasks, a percentage could already be immune.

Similarly those flocking to the beach. Right now it’s statistically extremely unlikely that you’d get the virus doing any one off activity, whether currently prohibited or not.

The virus hasn’t so much went away on it’s own as the numbers have been driven down by general adherence to the rules. Even those consistently visibly flouting the rules in public spaces are carrying out a low risk activity. The main risk factors are in your own household, on public transport and in workplaces (such as offices). Places where people spend a lot of time in reasonably close contact with the same people.

nomadking 27-06-2020 13:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Bear in mind in South Korea, just one infected person created thousands of cases, and led to a city the size of Birmingham(2.5m people), being forced into a voluntary lockdown.

Sephiroth 27-06-2020 14:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36041418)
I think the key is in bold. Yes there are people out protesting. However statistically if 1 in 2000 people have (some of those in hospital) it how many at the protest do? An outside activity, some with facemasks, a percentage could already be immune.

Similarly those flocking to the beach. Right now it’s statistically extremely unlikely that you’d get the virus doing any one off activity, whether currently prohibited or not.

The virus hasn’t so much went away on it’s own as the numbers have been driven down by general adherence to the rules. Even those consistently visibly flouting the rules in public spaces are carrying out a low risk activity. The main risk factors are in your own household, on public transport and in workplaces (such as offices). Places where people spend a lot of time in reasonably close contact with the same people.
That;s more or less how I see it.

Chris 27-06-2020 14:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Blinking Nora, someone get a screenshot :rofl:

joglynne 27-06-2020 14:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36041433)
Blinking Nora, someone get a screenshot :rofl:
I do believe this is the second time! What is the world coming to. :D

Mr K 27-06-2020 20:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53206148
Quote:
Travel companies say holiday bookings have "exploded" after the government announced current restrictions will be eased.

Ministers said from 6 July, blanket restrictions on non-essential overseas travel will be relaxed in the UK.

Holidaymakers will be allowed to travel to certain European countries without having to spend 14 days in quarantine upon their return.
Interesting how the Brexiteer masses can't wait to get away from from the UK. I'm off to the 'English Riviera' for my hols. What's wrong with these people ? We have the best coastline in the World.

Chris 27-06-2020 20:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Funny how Brexit Britain isn’t actually full of parochial little Englanders isn’t it. It’s almost as if most people understand the difference between enjoying good relations with our neighbours and allowing them to write laws for us.

downquark1 27-06-2020 20:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
It's kind of easy to explode from zero when prices are so low. The real comparison is to the same period last year.

Pierre 27-06-2020 22:22
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36041479)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53206148


Interesting how the Brexiteer masses can't wait to get away from from the UK. I'm off to the 'English Riviera' for my hols. What's wrong with these people ? We have the best coastline in the World.
I thought about replying.........but ...............I mean...........nah...really, just , oh forget it.

Hugh 27-06-2020 23:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36041479)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53206148


Interesting how the Brexiteer masses can't wait to get away from from the UK. I'm off to the 'English Riviera' for my hols. What's wrong with these people ? We have the best coastline in the World.
Mate, it’s done - move on.

"If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"

Mr K 27-06-2020 23:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041502)
Mate, it’s done - move on.

"If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"
It was just an observation Hugh on how fickle we all are. Also how being patriotic doesn't necessarily mean being right wing and/or a Brexiteer.

To be proudly British and proudly European is possible. I'm sure you'll agree. Together we're stronger, divided we're weakened. However as you say we'll move on, not necessarily for the better. Nighty night, and stay safe/alert ;)

jfman 28-06-2020 00:20
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36041505)
It was just an observation Hugh on how fickle we all are. Also how being patriotic doesn't necessarily mean being right wing and/or a Brexiteer.

To be proudly British and proudly European is possible. I'm sure you'll agree. Together we're stronger, divided we're weakened. However as you say we'll move on, not necessarily for the better. Nighty night, and stay safe/alert ;)
Everyone is entitled to go on holiday to the EU or outside the EU. Where people want to go on holiday, or don't want to go on holiday, is incredibly trivial to the response to coronavirus.

Many people will have lost money earlier in the year for booked holidays, been unable to work or spent months on reduced income on a furlough scheme. All of these people are entitled to the same right to travel worldwide as anyone else if restrictions are eased to allow it.

The threat from the virus doesn't care if you are a leaver or remainer, on the left or the right. And our response needs to reflect that.

Many on this forum wish to dismiss any negativity towards the Government response on that basis - and posts such as this are not helpful in that regard.

papa smurf 28-06-2020 06:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041502)
Mate, it’s done - move on.

"If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you"
"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby become a monster.

Maggy 28-06-2020 09:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
So is there any NEWS that we might find useful?

Carth 28-06-2020 10:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36041513)
So is there any NEWS that we might find useful?
*has a think*

Track & Trace issues *done*

Government are useless *done*

Crowded beaches *done*

Illegal mass street parties *done*

Death rate comparisons *done*

Easing of lock down *done*

Pubs (and boats) *done*


nope, I think were done here :D

Hugh 28-06-2020 10:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Met a fellow dog-walker this morning, and she’s an anaesthesiologist at a local hospital - she said yesterday was the first day since March they haven’t had a COVID-19 patient in ICU.

jfman 28-06-2020 11:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36041515)
*has a think*

Track & Trace issues *done*

Government are useless *done*

Crowded beaches *done*

Illegal mass street parties *done*

Death rate comparisons *done*

Easing of lock down *done*

Pubs (and boats) *done*


nope, I think were done here :D
Queuing to get into Waitrose?

papa smurf 28-06-2020 11:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36041518)
Queuing to get into Waitrose?
No one cares what the servants are doing;)

nomadking 28-06-2020 12:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Link

Quote:
The city of Leicester may be facing a localised lockdown after a rise in coronavirus cases, Home Secretary Priti Patel has confirmed.
Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, she said it was "correct" that the government was considering the move, reported in The Sunday Times.
About 25% of Leicester's 2,494 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported in the two weeks before 16 June.

Hugh 28-06-2020 12:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041519)
No one cares what the servants are doing;)
That's very 20th Century - we call them "staff" now... ;)

Carth 28-06-2020 13:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
*touches forelock*

We're called "Oy You!" up here ;)

and pleased to be of service

*bows uncomfortably*

Maggy 28-06-2020 13:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
This is not the joke,gossip or banter thread..Try to stick to the topic.

Paul 28-06-2020 19:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36041479)
What's wrong with these people ? We have the best coastline in the World.
But not the constant good weather to go with them. :Sun:

Mr K 29-06-2020 12:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36041571)
But not the constant good weather to go with them. :Sun:
Ah, but that's part of the UKs beauty. Scorchio every day would be boring, and mean we wouldn't have a green and pleasant land. I'm all for a short sunshine break in the depths of our dark winters, but in the summer I never leave the UK.

Mind you my last abroad trip was in Rome in Feb, and I came back with a hell of a bad bug, great time though !

Carth 29-06-2020 12:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36041613)
Mind you my last abroad trip was in Rome in Feb, and I came back with a hell of a bad bug, great time though !

:shocked: so you're the one


;)

Damien 29-06-2020 12:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Haircut booked first thing Saturday.

Reserved a table in a pub afterwards.

Ready to go.

peanut 29-06-2020 12:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041616)
Reserved a table in a pub afterwards.

Ready to go.
That sounds so wrong. Until there’s no restrictions in a pub I won’t be bothering as there’s no real point.

1andrew1 29-06-2020 12:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Giving the pubs a wide berth this coming weekend as we suspect they'll be rammed full of bored and thirsty 20-somethings. Could be a bit like a bad Bournemouth beach day.

However, subsequent weekends are an entirely different matter. ;)

---------- Post added at 12:48 ---------- Previous post was at 12:47 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36041617)
That sounds so wrong. Until there’s no restrictions in a pub I won’t be bothering as there’s no real point.
If you wait until then, there may well be no pub to visit! The point is, amongst other points, is to ensure it's still there.

Mr K 29-06-2020 13:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041616)
Haircut booked first thing Saturday.

Reserved a table in a pub afterwards.

Ready to go.
Mrs K and an eBay razor does a great free haircut. She now has a job for life ;) After the initial surge, hairdressers may find they've lost lots of customers permanently.

Damien 29-06-2020 14:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36041617)
That sounds so wrong. Until there’s no restrictions in a pub I won’t be bothering as there’s no real point.
Meh. Don't see the problem myself. Pints from a glass whilst sitting at a table.

Paul 29-06-2020 14:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
We normally go out on a Sunday, but already have plans on the 5th, so we will be booking a table on the 12th.

tweetiepooh 29-06-2020 15:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041626)
Meh. Don't see the problem myself. Pints from a glass whilst sitting at a table.
But at a new pub or new ales or new to me I like to sample them before committing and the silly idea of ordering by app - I don't have a phone.

cimt 29-06-2020 15:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
A lot of pubs will still have a cash till for those without a phone. So will still be able to pay by card or cash. Most just want to encourage using the app.

1andrew1 29-06-2020 16:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36041639)
But at a new pub or new ales or new to me I like to sample them before committing and the silly idea of ordering by app - I don't have a phone.
Sampling - suspect this won't be happening for a while
Cash - some venues will be card-only, but maybe not all
App - don't think this will be compulsory or that all venues will have one.

Sephiroth 29-06-2020 16:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041644)
Sampling - suspect this won't be happening for a while
Cash - some venues will be card-only, but maybe not all
App - don't think this will be compulsory or that all venues will have one.
https://www.appypie.com/payment-app-builder

Someone could earn themselves a few dozen free beers/cocktails etc.

pip08456 29-06-2020 16:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Oh dear, New Zealand screwed up.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...b-global-en-GB

Damien 29-06-2020 16:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36041639)
But at a new pub or new ales or new to me I like to sample them before committing and the silly idea of ordering by app - I don't have a phone.
I usually order a regular beer I know of or if I am experimenting I'll just chance it. Doing that that only gone terribly wrong once.

Besides this weekend it's just a safe-standard beer situation.

OLD BOY 29-06-2020 16:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36041639)
But at a new pub or new ales or new to me I like to sample them before committing and the silly idea of ordering by app - I don't have a phone.
Time to buy one then, tweetie. You are behind the times!

jfman 29-06-2020 16:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36041649)
Old news (June 19th).

Most recent cases are all returning from overseas - there’s no recorded community transmission as they tend to get found in quarantine.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...-covid19-cases

The system is working.

Mick 29-06-2020 21:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
BREAKING: Health Secretary, Matt Hancock has tonight announced in the House of Commons that the easing of the lockdown due on 4th July will now not take place in Leicester due to a rise in Covid-19 cases there.
  • Non-essential shops to close tomorrow in Leicester.
  • Schools in Leicester will close on Thursday.
  • Entry/exiting in/out to Leicester will be banned ⛔️.
  • People in Leicester are strongly urged to stay at home.

papa smurf 29-06-2020 21:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
why the rise in cases,have they done something different to the rest of the country.

nomadking 29-06-2020 22:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Just when you think things might start to improve.
Link

Quote:
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.
The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person, and trigger a global outbreak.
They say it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans - and needs close monitoring.

...
The virus, which the researchers call G4 EA H1N1, can grow and multiply in the cells that line the human airways.
They found evidence of recent infection starting in people who worked in abattoirs and the swine industry in China.
The immune systems of Pigs and Humans are similar. That is why viruses can quickly make the jump from pigs to humans.

RichardCoulter 29-06-2020 23:59
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041709)
why the rise in cases,have they done something different to the rest of the country.
There's a lot of Asian people live in Leicester, so that may have some bearing. They are more suseptible to Covid-19 and, as was discussed previously, their living arrangements and social/religeous gatherings might contribute to easier transmission of the virus.

jfman 30-06-2020 00:34
Re: Coronavirus
 
Bad luck?

1andrew1 30-06-2020 13:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041709)
why the rise in cases,have they done something different to the rest of the country.
Did Dominic Cummings stop there for a toilet break on his travels to and from Durham, perhaps? ;)

papa smurf 30-06-2020 14:39
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041754)
Did Dominic Cummings stop there for a toilet break on his travels to and from Durham, perhaps? ;)
No but the mayor broke lock down,so i suppose everyone else would have been able to break lockdown following his example
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-53048566

Sir Peter Soulsby admitted visiting Lesley Summerland and staying at her house overnight before government guidelines allowed it.

The Sun on Sunday published pictures of the former Leicester South MP fitting a window to Ms Summerland's home.

Sir Peter said "far more influential people" had flouted the lockdown rules.

At the beginning of lockdown, England's deputy chief medical officer warned against partners living in separate households meeting up.

nomadking 30-06-2020 16:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36041758)
No but the mayor broke lock down,so i suppose everyone else would have been able to break lockdown following his example
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-53048566

Sir Peter Soulsby admitted visiting Lesley Summerland and staying at her house overnight before government guidelines allowed it.

The Sun on Sunday published pictures of the former Leicester South MP fitting a window to Ms Summerland's home.

Sir Peter said "far more influential people" had flouted the lockdown rules.

At the beginning of lockdown, England's deputy chief medical officer warned against partners living in separate households meeting up.
But Dominic Cummings DIDN'T meet up with others.

Hugh 30-06-2020 17:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041768)
But Dominic Cummings DIDN'T meet up with others.
Except all the people at Downing Street, when he went back to work after running from Downing Street when his wife rang him - as was reported at the time...
Quote:
27 March: Mr Cummings is seen leaving 10 Downing Street. "I suddenly got a call from my wife who was looking after our four-year-old child. She told me she suddenly felt badly ill." He went home, but after a couple of hours his wife felt better and he returned to work.

That Evening: Mr Cummings went on to explain - "That evening I returned home and discussed the situation with my wife. She was ill. She might have Covid although she did not have a cough or a fever." Mr Cummings said many people he worked closely with, including the PM, had had symptoms or were absent with symptoms. He said: "I thought there was a distinct probability that I had already caught the disease."

OLD BOY 30-06-2020 18:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36041650)
I usually order a regular beer I know of or if I am experimenting I'll just chance it. Doing that that only gone terribly wrong once.

Besides this weekend it's just a safe-standard beer situation.
If you order a Corona lager, you might find people give you a wide enough berth at the bar to enable you to keep to the social distancing rules. ;)

nomadking 30-06-2020 18:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36041770)
Except all the people at Downing Street, when he went back to work after running from Downing Street when his wife rang him - as was reported at the time...
As your quote says, "his wife felt better and he returned to work.". All the fuss WASN'T about that.:rolleyes: The fuss all happened, BEFORE that explanation. So all completely irrelevant.

jfman 30-06-2020 18:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041783)
As your quote says, "his wife felt better and he returned to work.". All the fuss WASN'T about that.:rolleyes: The fuss all happened, BEFORE that explanation. So all completely irrelevant.
Anything to defend him at all costs. The wife had symptoms - the instruction was clear. Isolate. Not hang around until she feels better and go back to work.

Hugh 30-06-2020 20:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041783)
As your quote says, "his wife felt better and he returned to work.". All the fuss WASN'T about that.:rolleyes: The fuss all happened, BEFORE that explanation. So all completely irrelevant.
Yet, lo and behold, in the very same quote...
Quote:
That evening I returned home and discussed the situation with my wife. She was ill.
If only there had been some form of guideline for people who thought they, or someone in their household, had COVID-19...

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ce_diagram.pdf
Quote:
Criteria and guidance applied as of 17/03/2020:

Incubation period = maximum 14 days
Day 1 is the first day of symptoms
The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill

If you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days

If anyone else in the household starts displaying symptoms, they stay at home for 7 days from when their symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14-day isolation period.

Household members who remain well stay in self isolation for 14 days due to maximum incubation period, calculated from day 1 of first symptomatic person.

nomadking 30-06-2020 21:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36041784)
Anything to defend him at all costs. The wife had symptoms - the instruction was clear. Isolate. Not hang around until she feels better and go back to work.
It's not so much a matter of defending, it's pointing out ridiculous and biased comments, criticisms, and comparisons. Feeling better in the space of a few hours is NOT a sign. Dealing with the same people, that he'd been dealing with just a few hours earlier was less likely to be an additional problem.
Quote:
She was ill. She might have Covid although she did not have a cough or a fever
So she had NO symptoms at that point. He was the one that developed symptoms, the NEXT day, AFTER the meetings.
Quote:
28 March: Mr Cummings says he woke up "in pain and clearly had Covid symptoms, including a bad headache and a serious fever".
The spirit of the rule was to self-isolate. He still did that. He DIDN'T make the journey to visit a beach or to get a Big Mac, or to attend a party.



I obviously have to repeat the FACT, that the fuss came BEFORE the details came out(several weeks later), therefore totally UNCONNECTED to the fuss. The fuss and biased comments were(and still are) about the journey to the Durham area. Evidence to the contrary is.......?

Try criticising the Labour MP, who early on, attended two funerals(against the rules for all of them), neither of which he was actually related to.

Paul 30-06-2020 21:33
Re: Coronavirus
 
WTF are we still talking about Dominic Cummings for, its old, irrelevant news now, move on people.

jfman 30-06-2020 21:37
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041792)
ridiculous and biased comments
A somewhat ironic critique of your fellow posters.

1andrew1 30-06-2020 21:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041792)
Try criticising the Labour MP, who early on, attended two funerals(against the rules for all of them), neither of which he was actually related to.
My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test. :D

Meanwhile, in the US
Quote:
The US could soon see 100,000 new cases of coronavirus every day, the country's top infectious diseases expert has warned.
Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a US Senate committee that the daily surge in cases could more than double if Americans don't start following public health recommendations.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285

jfman 30-06-2020 21:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041800)
My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test. :D

Meanwhile, in the US

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285
Entertainingly, or worryingly it depends on your stance I suppose, Fauci also reckons the anti-vaxxers will stop a vaccine alone hitting the necessary threshold once one is developed to eliminate the virus in the USA.

So the US economy is doomed for years to come in a state of distancing restrictions, partial lockdowns, etc.

nomadking 30-06-2020 22:04
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36041800)
My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test. :D

Meanwhile, in the US

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285
It is those that referring to details that were UNKNOWN at the time of the fuss and nonsense, that are indulging in "whataboutery". They CAN'T have been a factor in the original comments.:rolleyes: The fuss and comments were about the trip to the Durham area, and NOTHING else.

Link
Quote:
Eye symptoms with Covid-19 are rare but not completely unheard of, the Royal College of Ophthalmologists and the College of Optometrists has said.
Like any upper respiratory tract infection, including colds and flu, it can cause irritation of the membrane covering the eye - a condition called conjunctivitis or pink eye - where parts of your eye become bloodshot.
From the US, about a month BEFORE the details.
Link
Quote:
Yes, pinkeye, or conjunctivitis, has been reported to be a possible sign of infection from COVID-19. It is still uncertain exactly what percentage of patients with COVID-19 have ocular manifestations and different sources are reporting different numbers.
Although a recent study in JAMA Ophthalmology reported up to one-third of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had ocular abnormalities, more studies are still needed. Of course, causes of conjunctivitis that are not COVID-19 related continue to persist.
How is self-isolating AFTER developing symptoms, worse that attend TWO large gatherings in the same day, merely as an observer?:confused:
Link

Quote:
A Labour MP has been blasted for "endangering lives" by attending a large funeral and ignoring coronavirus lockdown measures.
...
Mr Ali reportedly attended two services that day, but has said he will "not be attending any other similar gatherings".
Which posed the greater danger?

1andrew1 30-06-2020 23:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36041803)
It is those that referring to details that were UNKNOWN at the time of the fuss and nonsense, that are indulging in "whataboutery". They CAN'T have been a factor in the original comments.:rolleyes: The fuss and comments were about the trip to the Durham area, and NOTHING else.

Link
From the US, about a month BEFORE the details.
Link

How is self-isolating AFTER developing symptoms, worse that attend TWO large gatherings in the same day, merely as an observer?:confused:
Link

Which posed the greater danger?
If I point out all the issues I have with the above we'll never leave the topic and understandably the mods would red card us. ;) Suffice to say if you make the rules you should abide by them or no on else will.

---------- Post added at 23:24 ---------- Previous post was at 23:17 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36041801)
Entertainingly, or worryingly it depends on your stance I suppose, Fauci also reckons the anti-vaxxers will stop a vaccine alone hitting the necessary threshold once one is developed to eliminate the virus in the USA.

So the US economy is doomed for years to come in a state of distancing restrictions, partial lockdowns, etc.
The anti-vaxxers aspect is worrying. :(

Taf 01-07-2020 00:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
I'd lay a bet that none of the halal shops or muslim sweatshops in Leicester, and elsewhere, have closed since the beginning of this pandemic, whilst hundreds of muslims have returned from Pakistan with no quarantine to overcrowded homes.

Our own "ethnic" street has been doing a roaring trade, so I can see that distinct probability nationwide.


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