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How so? :confused:

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Did that dictionary go down well, Hugh?

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:D:D

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Are we not walking away yet?

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The PM is waiting for the outcome of the meeting of EU leaders today. Then he will decide whether it’s best just to walk away.

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I suspect he’s waiting in the outcome of the US election.

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Based on what Boris has done with an international treaty, I suspect most impartial observers feel he's a closer fit for "perfidious".

But Boris rolled over on the Withdrawal Agreement so chances are he'll do the same again, I agree. But this time, the EU will want some guarantee he'll honour the agreement.

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I'm sure they would, but so would an impartial observer. Signing an international agreement and then unilaterally revoking part of it meets the definition of perfidious, namely "unable to be trusted".

Even if it were the worst agreement in the world.

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Brexit: Boris Johnson says it's time to 'get ready' for no deal with EU

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bo...th-eu-12105527



The prime minister claimed: "Unless there's a fundamental change of approach, we should go for the Australia solution."

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:shocked:

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Lets not dwell on that, not when we got a deal done with the Ivory Coast today, let's celebrate this good news instead

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I guess they're not trying to steal our resources eh.

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No need to worry. Any minute now the German Car manufacturers will on the phone to Angela Merkel. They just to build up the suspense...

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There will a load of French trawlers going cheap, might see if i can pick one up.

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:D

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who's

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Get in quick! The tariffs and documentation required by the UK from 2021 may make this a no-goer, I'm afraid.

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ok i'll buy 2.

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:D

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You have not addressed the reason why the PM has taken that route. But you wouldn’t, would you?

You seem blind to all the EU’s duplicity but take pleasure in tripping the government up at every turn.

You’d make a good Russian!

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It doesn't take an expert to see why Boris has gone down this route. He needs to stall to find out the outcome of the US election before he decides whether we need a deal with the EU or not.

Unsurprising, but if Sleepy Joe wins we will be back at the table with the EU before fireworks and bonfires on the 5th.

Boston Democrats won't see the Good Friday Agreement pissed upon by Boris.

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Denmark take more fish from British waters than France, so you’d be better off buying from them...

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If Party A revokes part of an international treaty it makes with Party B, which is the perfidious party? A or B.

It gives me no pleasure to see our country's currency and global influence falling since June 2016. (eg 20/6/16. £1=$1.47. Today £1=$1.29).

Russia is pro-Brexit like you. It wants to weaken the EU as it supports the Ukraine and has brought much of Eastern Europe into its membership. And only recently, the EU agreed on new sanctions against Russia over the poisoning of opposition leader Alexei Navalny. https://www.politico.eu/article/nava...sia-sanctions/

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The bill would only have to acted upon, in the event of the EU not following the NI protocol. That stipulates that the EU has to come to an agreement on several matters. As they haven't, THEY would be breaking the "international agreement".

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I'm afraid that the best legal minds in the country disagree with you.

Meanwhile, this is what looks likely to me.

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I'm long on facts and short on emotion which is the counter-part to my previous discussant. The curency value impacts the wealth of the country and its ability to invest in education, the armed forces, healthcare and the technologies of the future. It's not an abstract figure.

My answer to all of the above questions is that it depends what we get in return.

All to play for at the car plants with new models on hold at Sunderland and Ellesmere Port delayed pending Boris giving the EU a good deal. And BMW is ceasing MINI production in the Netherlands in 2024 so potentially some of that could find its way to Cowley. Let's hope Boris doesn't revert to his F-business mindset.

What I think is in the capability of the UK govenment is:
1. Arrange for a staggered wind-down to new fishing arrangements.
2. Agree to a level playing field as in practice it won't have any on the UK as we are a rich country with no recent history of significant interevention in industry.
3. Come up with a compromise on the ECJ.

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According to Business Secretary Alok Sharma, the difference between an Australia-style deal with the EU and a No Deal Brexit is a “question of semantics”...

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-...stralia-style/

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I think after having years of the wool pulled over his eyes, Nick Ferrari is now waking up and smelling the coffee and it's not a pleasant taste.

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Just the government trying avoid the use of "no deal" and instead call it an "Australian deal" which is just no deal.

I don't see the point, everybody knows that if we don't do a deal then it's no deal and what will happen instead of one over-arching agreement, then lots of other deal smaller side agreements will have to be done to keep things going along.

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Not sure most people have the time or inclination to follow Brexit as closely as some of us on this thread do.
Australian deal sounds better than No-deal with its negative connotations hence Boris seized the chance to use it.

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Well it’s just politics.

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The "bill" is only needed where certain NI matters are not agreed with the EU. It is a legal requirement for there to be agreement by the "Joint Committee" on the details of various matters connected to the NI Protocol. If the EU doesn't agree to anything on those matters, then THEY are the ones breaking the NI Protocol.

What would happen WHEN the EU doesn't agree on something like that? Would that mean no goods whatever from GB to NI?:rolleyes: In the absence of any agreements, then something has to be put in place.
Agenda for Joint Committee meeting of TODAY(19th Oct).

1) It's about who has control, It's not a matter of simply shutting everybody else out. If the French wanted a staggered wind-down, they could've asked for one. They HAVEN'T. They want complete unfettered access. As I've previously pointed out, the situation would arise where fish caught in UK waters by EU boats wouldn't be subject to tariffs when sold in the EU, but those caught be UK boats would be. So much for a "level playing field".
2) The WTO has it's own set of rules for financial support. What is wrong with those? The UK level of support is nowhere near Germany's level of support, so again what are the EU complaining about?:confused:
3) Nothing to comprise about. Should be the same rules as for everybody else. Eg Goods sold by China into the EU are subject to ECJ rules, goods in China and outside the EU are not. Nothing complicated or unreasonable about that. Does the ECJ rule over goods produced and sold in Vietnam? Of course not.

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Don't forget the 50 Flemish boats.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1603128728

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The UN Convention on the Law of the Seas, overturns ALL previous historical based rights. Still nothing to do with French fishing boats.
The EU CFP would've overridden that anyway, otherwise there would've been no quotas or rules for them. As the CFP must've superseded that agreement, it is no longer in place.

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Wouldn't that be against the GFA?

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I notice you commenced your example subsequent to what happened to produce such a response.

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From today's(19th Oct) meeting of the Joint Committee.

If that continues, GB would not be able to send even mail and parcels to NI. The NI protocol would've already been broken, so how can be further broken by any bill?

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Isn’t "good faith" adhering to the treaty you signed?

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I'm not sure what you mean by that?:confused:

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not if it was written in bad faith.

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#InconvenientTruth

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And how is the EU adhering to any treaty?
Political Declaration.

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That’s a bit harsh on BoJo...

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The bad bits went in before bojo got involved.

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Nice try. He signed off on the whole thing. ;)

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Funny - he said "it was a great prospect and a great deal, and I commend it to the House" and "it’s a wonderful deal".

https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status...691569152?s=21

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clearly someone never read the small print,but not to worry it's getting sorted now.

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Yes, Bozza's not very good at :-reading/concentrating/detail/monogamy/listening to his own Covid advice/running the country.

Maybe he's good at colouring in or something suchlike. Everyone is good at something, I think.

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Amen to that! :D
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-ar...etter-12107997

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It was probably looked at by an army of civil servants who gave it the thumbs up but it turns out they were working for the EU.

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Yes if I was PM, I would totally listen to the totally irrelevant silly Hat brigade.

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Amen to that.

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That's because - even as PM - you would be too busy arguing with jfman on CableForum to have time to listen to them. :D

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Just like you, eh? Mr K. :D

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I was in a fun meeting with one of my customers Yesterday which included communicating 2021 pricing. We have been trying to hold off as long as possible as we didn't know what would be in place next year but finally, we have had to price for no deal.

The feedback from the customer was that our estimate of extra distribution and fulfillment costs were low compared to our competitors even though they contributed 40% of our price rise for sales to the customers UK site. We should have charged more!

They definitely noticed the percentage difference in rise between their UK site and their site in Spain though!

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Sadly, that makes the UK less competitive when crunch decisions on basing future operations are made.

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I know you think facts are irrelevant, but the WA was also reviewed and signed off by their Special Advisers (SpAds), who are political appointees to support the Ministers and PM.

It’s almost as if you’re trying to avoid the fact that Boris was responsible for promoting, and getting passed by ensuring all Tory MPs voted for, the WA Bill.

Blamestorming at it’s finest - It wasn’t Boris, he didn’t do it, he was on holiday when it didn’t happen... :D

As was reported at the time

https://www.theparliamentaryreview.c...awal-agreement

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The very notion of "backstop" is that if good faith had been followed by the EU, then it wouldn't be needed. Why should've anybody been bothered by something that was supposed to be not needed? It was never (allegedly, as if the EU would play dirty tricks like that:rolleyes:) supposed to be something that would be implemented.

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As an impartial observer it seems to me that your getting your knickers in a twist over nothing,it'll all get sorted without you huffing and puffing and telling people what they are thinking, relax chill out and enjoy the ride out of the EU's grasp.

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I'm a fan of Boris Johnson in a limited and specific way but this is a bad decision.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...rtan-ntp-feeds

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I doubt very much that he will see that given past performance;)

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Thanks, duly amended it.

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Unless the EU finally relents on their specific unreasonable demands, there's nothing further to discuss. Have the EU indicated they have done that? Doesn't appear so.:rolleyes:

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One problem the EU has is that the French farmers/fishermen are a lot more "revolutionary" than ours are.

It is much rarer to see UK farmers dressing Whitehall in manure or dumping unsold fish on The Strand than in France.

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The concerns of French fishermen can easily be assuaged by means other than by the EU having total control and unfettered access. The matter isn't about whether or not, the French have access, but on whose terms.

The UK will be setting quotas for UK waters, so it's possible the EU could ask for a minimum percentage of that. Simple way of allowing EU fishing boats, but under UK control. Why haven't the EU asked for that sort of arrangement? Other than to not act in "good faith" and block any further deal?

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Retraining into other industries?

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Making Nissans and Vauxhalls for when they become unviable to be made in the UK?

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It's not how to address the concerns but how to clean the fish guts of the pavement.

Of course there are solutions to all these little issues. Maybe we need to get the politicos out of the way and let farmers and others work something out. (I say farmers especially because while you can mothball factories or move production you can't do that with a farm, especially making region category products.)

Farmer have stuff grown and need to sell it now, we don't tax food so that should be easy on our end, and our farmers have the same. If we have excess of something that another country finds themselves in need of just move it. What we really need is to agree standards that need to be met or exceeded and just continue.

I have a much simpler view than reality but I have farming on all sides of my families and farmers are much more pragmatic - you do what needs doing, when it needs doing.

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They're also pretty good at blockading our major EU trading port, Calais.

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Where would they sell them?

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Not even the architect of the Single Market (Lady Thatcher) or Macron have been able to alter geography or French farmers' and fishermen's minds.

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She understood the importance of pragmatism and on picking the right battles. In contrast to others who favoured whinging.

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She won the 66% rebate. Just think of all the billions that has saved.
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Now add up that sort of figure going back 30 years.

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<snigger> impartial observer <snigger>

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1603197663

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Suddenly we are back in the 18th and 19th Century?

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Wasn't it you who said "I know you think facts are irrelevant" is that not telling me what i think?

Anyway i can see your getting yourself into a lather again you've posted a silly picture,just relax enjoy the ride as we gently drift away from the EU,breath in breath out relaaaaaax.

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I'm guessing that Seph is thinking that the powers of the Honourable Member for the 18th Century have extended into defence procurement. :D

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Which only encourages us to move our traffic to Rotterdam.

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We feel your sadness, Andrew. :rolleyes:

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Increasing time and costs and making our exports less competitive.

We feel your cynicism, Old Boy.;)

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These things aren't relevant for those on an ideological crusade.

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And you appear to be projecting...

Pointing out relevant facts, and obvious untruths in your posts, isn’t getting "into a lather" - it’s called debating.

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Ding ding Hugh comes out on the attack he swings left, he swings right,papa plays rope a dope:)

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Are the car-makers finally coming to Britain's rescue?
https://www.ft.com/content/720671e0-...b-f34518ca4de8

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v2l4vw9nzI

Looks like reality has kicked in.